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What is the difference in Bernard King - Carmelo Anthony when it comes to scoring?
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Jmpasq
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6/13/2013  8:01 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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yellowboy90 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
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playa2 wrote:In a day when most of you judge players by rings.

Neither of them made their teammates better and neither of them won rings in the association.

Bernard was very athletic and the players in his day were not like they are today. I heard Jordan say the greatest defender he faced wasn't Bruce Bowen of Gerald Wilkins, but Mitch Richmond!

The more athletic the league the more you tend to be hindered trying to score, so Bernard although great had a lil advantage there.

My question had to do with scoring, both of those players excelled at scoring when their teammates just watched them go to work.

They both had the ability to take over games and put fear in those who tried to defend them.

As far as scoring I see no difference.


Injuries killed Kings career, not the player he played with, and the competition he played against was vastly greater.

Would you seriously compare the 80's Celtics in which King helped force a game 7 as equal to getting knocked out in 6 with HCA by the Pacers?

Players dont fear Melo, they know they have a pretty good shot of holding him to below 45%, he can actually do it on his own ungarded.

Players absolutely feared King because his playoff performances were always BETTER than the regular season.

What amazes me with this convo, is it's obvious who's seen Bernard play and who hasn't.

Melo and Bernard are nothing alike.

You're right, I should've put their playoff numbers up as well.

King's numbers on the left, Melo's on the right.

Games Played - 28; 66

PPG - 24.5; 25.7

FG% - 55.9; 41.7

3PT% - 25% on four shots; 32%

FT% - 72.9; 82.6

Reb - 4.3; 7.3

Asst - 2.3; 2.8

TS% - 60.2; 51.3

eFG% - 56; 44.2

ORating - 119; 105

DRating - 113; 108

PER - 22.2; 20

Total WS - 3.4; 5.7

WS/48 - 0.173; 0.106


In the playoffs it's no contest, King was much better than Melo.

Very true although if those numbers where reversed it would be about Melo not doing the little things. I didn't realize the lack of playoff games for King.

LOL your right . It would be look less assists and rebounds he doesnt do anything but score


That would be a valid comment. Bernard was 1 dimensional and deserves criticism for it but he still was better at that dimension than Melo was.

I will have to take your word for it he was right before my time. I dont know if a few games and highlights count as seeing him play
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6/13/2013  8:11 AM
Look, im not trying to weight the trade for the 150th time.

Risk: Lebron blows his knee out during the season or has a career threatening injury why would a team sign him? Melo had an opt out, so he had one max year left on his contract. He could have opted out but the risk was he needed minor knee surgery while the CBA ran out and nobody knew what it would look like.

Trades can deplete. Say Dwight howard wants on the Rockets. He has two choices, force a trade and keep his max years or walk free. HOustan will be a better roster if he walks.

Again, expectations is why Melo is less revered than King. Its not hate, just what it is!

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6/13/2013  10:35 AM
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:The knicks haven't had a scoring go to guy so versatile since Bernard King, this is why he was revered not necessarily him having higher expectations coming in.

That makes no sense.


What do you mean ?

NYC Media type hype was waiting for some top 5 scorer to make his way to Broadway again.
They want to see a show.

Media knows as long as Lebron James was playing in the east , Championships aspirations for the knicks has to go through him. Championships is all he would be playing for regardless of the team he played on.

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6/13/2013  10:51 AM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
playa2 wrote:The knicks haven't had a scoring go to guy so versatile since Bernard King, this is why he was revered not necessarily him having higher expectations coming in.

That makes no sense.


What do you mean ?

NYC Media type hype was waiting for some top 5 scorer to make his way to Broadway again.
They want to see a show.

Media knows as long as Lebron James was playing in the east , Championships aspirations for the knicks has to go through him. Championships is all he would be playing for regardless of the team he played on.

I'd say you have a concept in your head but it does is not coming out right. Thats the polite way.

Or I can say "Im laughing at you cuz your an idiot".

Take your pick.

"Lets do it again:

Makes no sense"

You reply what do you mean?

NYC Media type hype was waiting for some top 5 scorer to make his way to Broadway again.
They want to see a show.

Make way to broadway again? We had Ewing who was a top 10 and a string of playoff success.

"Media type hype", Not words most would use but we get it. I call it "Starphuch". I don't think Melo was the "tap dance kid" so I don't see him "making his way back home", but lets be real, the trade was hyped and we saw the marketing of "coming home". That elevated expectations meanwhile the roster was thin to make the trade. Not making a value judgement of whether it was worth it, just saying that what happened.

And with a thin roster, you don't hve developing players other than Shump.

its not a dire situation and we are a better team with melo than without, but one that has a ceiling.

You asked why King was more revereed. You don't have to agree, but at least make sense if you can.

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6/13/2013  11:10 AM
Nalod , Nalod how long must I put up with you and your ilk.

I don't dance just because you start playing the flute , haven't you figured that out yet.

Not trying to homogenize with you or your choice or words like "starphuch", I'm my own man.

"NYC Media type hype was waiting for some top 5 scorer to make his way to Broadway again"

That could be ANY TOP 5 SCORER, THE PLAYER DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FROM NYC.

After a decade of losing, anything positive was a step up!

No major expectations, it was more like Ewing guaranteeing a win just to sell papers.

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6/13/2013  11:23 AM
Nalod wrote:Look, im not trying to weight the trade for the 150th time.

Risk: Lebron blows his knee out during the season or has a career threatening injury why would a team sign him? Melo had an opt out, so he had one max year left on his contract. He could have opted out but the risk was he needed minor knee surgery while the CBA ran out and nobody knew what it would look like.

Trades can deplete. Say Dwight howard wants on the Rockets. He has two choices, force a trade and keep his max years or walk free. HOustan will be a better roster if he walks.

Again, expectations is why Melo is less revered than King. Its not hate, just what it is!

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