Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gallo love is truly mind boggling.

Alot of love for such an average player.

What people think of him is solely based on the Melo trade. Those who love him hate Melo. I personally think he's a good player, not great, who is slightly overpaid and has thus far failed to meet long-term expectations. He has shown little improvement since his second NBA season. But he is a good player nonetheless.

that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard considering that most of us formed opinions about him before that awful trade.. go back and look at the threads...

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nychamp
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I'm onboard with the Gallo love, and his last game was great. However, it should be mentioned that the previous game he came up tiny when the Knicks really could have used him. That is still his flaw...disappearing and not being aggressive enough at times. He needed to step up in that game, it was his game to take over!
But last night was beautiful.

Gallo has not gotten more then 15 shot attempts in any game this year......
Yet avg's 16 points a game!

He has, but in only two games. For comparison, Chandler averages 14 attempts per game and has gotten over 20 attempts many times. Gallinari shoots 5.8 free throws per game.
Crazy, crazy stats this guy is putting up. Awesome.

Ok twice in 45 games
Gallo has been impressive everyday since being drafted!!

now I posted the first posters name so that you can see it is a legit thread, I didn't want to put everyone on blast in case some might not want peoople to know that they were once gallo " lovers"

I'm sorry but you are wrong, those who like gallo, always have liked him.. and for those of us that didn't like carmelo, didn't like him before, the trade just made it worse, but it had nothing to do with just gallo... carmelo to me is a clown, I hate that he is on this team and the fact that we had to spend picks ( now these are players we don't even know yet) on him, upset me even more!

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gallo love is truly mind boggling.

Alot of love for such an average player.

What people think of him is solely based on the Melo trade. Those who love him hate Melo. I personally think he's a good player, not great, who is slightly overpaid and has thus far failed to meet long-term expectations. He has shown little improvement since his second NBA season. But he is a good player nonetheless.

that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard considering that most of us formed opinions about him before that awful trade.. go back and look at the threads...

here are some quotes:

nychamp
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1/31/2011 11:09 AM
I'm onboard with the Gallo love, and his last game was great. However, it should be mentioned that the previous game he came up tiny when the Knicks really could have used him. That is still his flaw...disappearing and not being aggressive enough at times. He needed to step up in that game, it was his game to take over!
But last night was beautiful.

Gallo has not gotten more then 15 shot attempts in any game this year......
Yet avg's 16 points a game!

He has, but in only two games. For comparison, Chandler averages 14 attempts per game and has gotten over 20 attempts many times. Gallinari shoots 5.8 free throws per game.
Crazy, crazy stats this guy is putting up. Awesome.

Ok twice in 45 games
Gallo has been impressive everyday since being drafted!!

now I posted the first posters name so that you can see it is a legit thread, I didn't want to put everyone on blast in case some might not want peoople to know that they were once gallo " lovers"

I'm sorry but you are wrong, those who like gallo, always have liked him.. and for those of us that didn't like carmelo, didn't like him before, the trade just made it worse, but it had nothing to do with just gallo... carmelo to me is a clown, I hate that he is on this team and the fact that we had to spend picks ( now these are players we don't even know yet) on him, upset me even more!

I liked Gallo as well, thought he could be a star. I still like him today, but he hasn't gotten better in 4 years, and his 3 pointer has got worse. He is what he is a good player. Don't compare what people said years ago to what they think today. You will find the same thing about kwame brown, Michael Beasley, etc in message boards. Not comparing him to them, just hoping you understand the point. In present day, most people still obsessed with his game were not fans of the trade and are still trying to prove it was a bad deal by hyping up his advanced stats because the regular stats are at a standstill. Meanwhile we are improving every year, got Felton back, and The players we traded are just good players and that's it.

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

REPLACED by who? the knicks have not replaced those guy with comparable talent and or potential... please..

JR Smith alone is better than anything we traded in the Melo deal. When you consider that we've added Tyson and Iman as well, I think its fairly easy to see that we've more than replaced those guys.

WE COULD Have added iman regardless, and if gallo was here shumpert would not be replacing gallo...

And jr SMITH IS A BUM...

Par the course, I have no idea what you're talking about. You stretch and twist the truth more than anyone I know either through the cyber realm or in my day to day. To be perfectly honest and polite, I'd prefer that you not comment on any of my posts and I won't comment on yours moving . Their is nothing to be gained through a conversation with you.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

If we've learned anything over the years, it should be that "expense" does not always directly correlate to production. We may have an expensive roster but that doesn't mean that it makes for elite production especially when ~30% of our payroll is tied into a guy that hardly plays (see Amar'e Stoudemire).

True but without Amar'e the knicks do not have an expensive roster like other teams. They have one 13 mil guy and a few 3-4 million guys.

Very good point. Either way though, the point about expense being used to justify Melo's supporting cast, while ignoring production is ridiculous.

You can't look just at production when evaluating the supporting cast. Obviously if there's a guy taking 25 shots and getting 1 assist a game, everyone else's #s are going to be deflated.

That's a strawman argument and you know it. Melo (which is the name you were searching for) no doubt takes a lot of shots but that is how the game has been played for generations. You give the ball to your best player and let him go to work. Lets also not pretend that the team isn't shooting three times that amount. Melo or no Melo, the guys we've put around him have had a history of disappearing in the playoffs, so lets not pretend that its all Melo's fault.

is any of it ever melo's fault though? what do you fault him for?

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gallo love is truly mind boggling.

Alot of love for such an average player.

What people think of him is solely based on the Melo trade. Those who love him hate Melo. I personally think he's a good player, not great, who is slightly overpaid and has thus far failed to meet long-term expectations. He has shown little improvement since his second NBA season. But he is a good player nonetheless.

that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard considering that most of us formed opinions about him before that awful trade.. go back and look at the threads...

here are some quotes:

nychamp
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1/31/2011 11:09 AM
I'm onboard with the Gallo love, and his last game was great. However, it should be mentioned that the previous game he came up tiny when the Knicks really could have used him. That is still his flaw...disappearing and not being aggressive enough at times. He needed to step up in that game, it was his game to take over!
But last night was beautiful.

Gallo has not gotten more then 15 shot attempts in any game this year......
Yet avg's 16 points a game!

He has, but in only two games. For comparison, Chandler averages 14 attempts per game and has gotten over 20 attempts many times. Gallinari shoots 5.8 free throws per game.
Crazy, crazy stats this guy is putting up. Awesome.

Ok twice in 45 games
Gallo has been impressive everyday since being drafted!!

now I posted the first posters name so that you can see it is a legit thread, I didn't want to put everyone on blast in case some might not want peoople to know that they were once gallo " lovers"

I'm sorry but you are wrong, those who like gallo, always have liked him.. and for those of us that didn't like carmelo, didn't like him before, the trade just made it worse, but it had nothing to do with just gallo... carmelo to me is a clown, I hate that he is on this team and the fact that we had to spend picks ( now these are players we don't even know yet) on him, upset me even more!

I liked Gallo as well, thought he could be a star. I still like him today, but he hasn't gotten better in 4 years, and his 3 pointer has got worse. He is what he is a good player. Don't compare what people said years ago to what they think today. You will find the same thing about kwame brown, Michael Beasley, etc in message boards. Not comparing him to them, just hoping you understand the point. In present day, most people still obsessed with his game were not fans of the trade and are still trying to prove it was a bad deal by hyping up his advanced stats because the regular stats are at a standstill. Meanwhile we are improving every year, got Felton back, and The players we traded are just good players and that's it.

no you won't, I don't remember anyone saying any real good thing about kwame brown. LOL.. the difference is, kwame brown was a bust, beasley a joke, and gallo is the starting SF on a team that won 57 games.. I think many, including Goerge Karl would dissagree with you when it comes to gallo..

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When the trade was made for Melo many posters said it would be easy to find replacements for players like Chandler and Gallo. We've yet to replace them 3yrs later. Now we're discussing acquiring players who'll do all the things our $20mil Superstar won't do, to help make him a better player.

THey have been replace. Its finding someone to replace Amar'e.

That's a bad excuse. Even without Amare, Melo has a more expensive, experienced supporting cast than many players in the league have.

IT wasn't an excuse. Gallo and Chandler have been replaced easily. Now on to what you are talking about please provide examples of less expensive supporting cast.

REPLACED by who? the knicks have not replaced those guy with comparable talent and or potential... please..

JR Smith alone is better than anything we traded in the Melo deal. When you consider that we've added Tyson and Iman as well, I think its fairly easy to see that we've more than replaced those guys.

WE COULD Have added iman regardless, and if gallo was here shumpert would not be replacing gallo...

And jr SMITH IS A BUM...

Par the course, I have no idea what you're talking about. You stretch and twist the truth more than anyone I know either through the cyber realm or in my day to day. To be perfectly honest and polite, I'd prefer that you not comment on any of my posts and I won't comment on yours moving . Their is nothing to be gained through a conversation with you.

I have no problem with that lol, you bring very little to an argument especially when defeated you bail out, as you are doing now..... but my comment is simple, we didn't replace gallo and chandler, we added shumpert with a pick we most likely would have used on him if those guys were still here.. and tyson chandler is not a replacement for those guys at all...

Papabear Says

No you loose. You can only get your jollies off by debating the same old things. When someone avoids you have no debat but only to yourself. Everyone on this forum knows where you stand.

Can we PLEASE have a moratorium on Melo posts/threads for a little while at least.

DurzoBlint wrote:and once again, this thread totally degenerated like all the threads debating Melo ability or lack thereof. And people wonder why I call these threads redundant. Starting to wonder if it's more a scream for attention than any actual desire for an intelligent debate or discussion.

Can we PLEASE have a moratorium on Melo posts/threads for a little while at least.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:and once again, this thread totally degenerated like all the threads debating Melo ability or lack thereof. And people wonder why I call these threads redundant. Starting to wonder if it's more a scream for attention than any actual desire for an intelligent debate or discussion.

Can we PLEASE have a moratorium on Melo posts/threads for a little while at least.

Obviously people here want to talk about Melo. You know, your complaining about the threads is redundant too?!

I am not complaining now but, beseeching my fellow posters. There is a difference and, your current post above is just as redundant as my complaining was.

Also, was I wrong, did this thread NOT degenerate as a said it did?

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:and once again, this thread totally degenerated like all the threads debating Melo ability or lack thereof. And people wonder why I call these threads redundant. Starting to wonder if it's more a scream for attention than any actual desire for an intelligent debate or discussion.

Can we PLEASE have a moratorium on Melo posts/threads for a little while at least.

Obviously people here want to talk about Melo. You know, your complaining about the threads is redundant too?!

I am not complaining now but, beseeching my fellow posters. There is a difference and, your current post above is just as redundant as my complaining was.

Also, was I wrong, did this thread NOT degenerate as a said it did?

The difference is I never complained or cared about redundancy here.
High school English teachers can worry about redundancy.
There's a thin line between beseeching and bitching

no one ever said you did complain, in fact you interjected yourself and now it's about you?

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:and once again, this thread totally degenerated like all the threads debating Melo ability or lack thereof. And people wonder why I call these threads redundant. Starting to wonder if it's more a scream for attention than any actual desire for an intelligent debate or discussion.

Can we PLEASE have a moratorium on Melo posts/threads for a little while at least.

Obviously people here want to talk about Melo. You know, your complaining about the threads is redundant too?!

I am not complaining now but, beseeching my fellow posters. There is a difference and, your current post above is just as redundant as my complaining was.

Also, was I wrong, did this thread NOT degenerate as a said it did?

The difference is I never complained or cared about redundancy here.
High school English teachers can worry about redundancy.
There's a thin line between beseeching and bitching

no one ever said you did complain, in fact you interjected yourself and now it's about you?

Well, you pointed out that my response was redundant, and I was basically saying, "no problemo - some redundancy is fine with me." You're the only one who seems disturbed or disappointed by redundancy. Well, you seem selectively disturbed by it - meaning, it disturbs you only if it's critical of Melo.

look above, I recognized my misinterpretation late...sorry