Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I still get a chuckle of Phil Jax trolling Karl:

Phil Jackson ‏@PhilJackson11 8 May
Congrats @georgekarl22, good season and nice run in the playoffs…very entertaining.

Even rings more true on firing day!

Anyone sticking up for Karl sticks up for extended mediocrity (80-105 in the playoffs.)

The Don Nelson of his time!

That is pretty awful.

Not really. You're playing the best teams in the league. A .500 playoff record means you're well above average for an NBA team. The Knicks have gone 7-14 in the Melo-Amare-Chandler era in the playoffs. 80-105 is just slightly below Jeff Van Gundy's playoff winning percentage

Karl has only had 4 positive playoff runs in over 20 + years of coaching.

JVG actual has a .500 record in the playoffs, and 2 or 3 positve runs in a much shorter time.

Dont see the comparison.

4 good runs in 20 years and 2 in 10 years are the same ratio.

How about 8 bad runs in 9 years, what's the ratio on that Berri?

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

toad wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I still get a chuckle of Phil Jax trolling Karl:

Phil Jackson ‏@PhilJackson11 8 May
Congrats @georgekarl22, good season and nice run in the playoffs…very entertaining.

Even rings more true on firing day!

Anyone sticking up for Karl sticks up for extended mediocrity (80-105 in the playoffs.)

The Don Nelson of his time!

That is pretty awful.

Not really. You're playing the best teams in the league. A .500 playoff record means you're well above average for an NBA team. The Knicks have gone 7-14 in the Melo-Amare-Chandler era in the playoffs. 80-105 is just slightly below Jeff Van Gundy's playoff winning percentage

Well, JVG is a career loser. Thank God he retired.

Lol, you're awfully defensive for a so called Knicks(Knuggets?) fan.

Being a fan is no reason to perpetuate ignorance!

Much of Karls "success" is getting borderline teams into the playoffs. When your a low seed your likley not going to advance.
Being a no. 1 and getting whacked by the 8th is a bad stain on his record. NO denying that.

Karl does not have his "moment" but he is no loser!

That's why I said Karl is the Don Nelson of his time. Regular season champs, postseason chumps.

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:why so much venom towards Karl

For several bad reasons, these people believe it elevates Carmelo

How would it elevate carmelo? I'd love to hear the logic behind this one...

Karl was critical of some aspects of Melo's game. If Karl is discredited in any way it makes such things not as valid.

Winning 57 games (more than knicks) with a roster full of non star ex knicks makes Melo look bad to hater. The Moobyites must defend it.

My take is Karl wanted an extension and knuggs don't play that. He found out Clips "Would be" interested as is the Grizz. When you have a market, you have options and leverage. Karl made it a big deal forcing Denver to extend or release.

Well Denver has shown they have an interest in being cheap.

Role players, wont keep a good GM over money and let their coach go over money.

I'm sure he'll find another job, but that team will underachieve just like most of his others did.

57 wins for that team was not under achieving!

I think a coach can out last his welcome and its time to move on. It happens a lot in the NBA. Only two coaches have tenures over 5 years now.

Obviously he gets alot of regular season wins.

Your other point probably cements why he should be fired, all the other long tenure coaches have chamipionships while Karl has first round KO's.

I think the 57 wins is a great season and exceeded most expectations. I think few of his teams over 21 years were true contenders.

He had a two year window in Seattle. His milwaukee teams and Denver teams were not real contenders.

Riley had two years to get it done in NY and he did not. Pat did a great job here but no chips.

Look, its fun to love the Moobster and smack down Denver. Many teams would kill to have the playoff runs they had even if it did not yield a trip to the finals.

We are a franchise that over 67 years made the playoffs in 42 of them but did not 25 years, have two chips and a life time record of .500!

Im not smacking down Karl's 21 straight winning years until we do better! Much better! Im humbled enough by many losing seasons and failures to see this.

here's my thing, I am an NBA fan first and foremost.

I comment on everything, and have no need to relate other teams success to the NY Knicks, like you guys seem to be fashioned with.

I dont put alot of stock into regualar season success, half the league makes the playoffs, do something in it.

Unless one is a laker or celtic fan over the years, one has to find pleasure and success in smaller samples. if two chips in 67 years results in dismal failure for 65 of those years then I am out. Basically we got a few Karl haters who I doubt thought much of him until Melo became a knick.

The regular season is too long and makes the results diluted.

SupremeCommander wrote:always thought Karl was overrated. Remember that Mutumbo/Denver team that upset the #1 Sonics with Payton and Kemp? Yeah, Denver upset Karl's team

This. That series forever ingrained into my memory that Karl was a loser way before Melo could even dunk:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:always thought Karl was overrated. Remember that Mutumbo/Denver team that upset the #1 Sonics with Payton and Kemp? Yeah, Denver upset Karl's team

This. That series forever ingrained into my memory that Karl was a loser way before Melo could even dunk:

The real issue with Karl is that he does such a good job getting the most out of his teams that it makes people think his rosters are actually better than they are. This guy hasn't had the INSANELY GREAT LUCK of a Phil Jax who had SUPREME talent on most of his teams. Karl has had some OK teams, but nothing as good as some of the all time great teams that have won titles. He's also been competing in the absolute best Conference for years. We live in the East and don't realize how tough the competition is in the West.

This is why I have vehemently defended MDA all these years. MDA got his team to 2 WCF's and got out of the 1st rd. 3 of 4 postseasons. This was against GREAT competition. MDA lost to the Spurs in 3 of 4 playoff series. Lost to the Mavs the other time. But just think about it, Karl didn't have 2 Superstars in Denver and he surely never had a Tim Duncan or Dirk. Melo is a very good player but he's not the same as Tim Duncan or Dirk!!! Karl is getting a bad rap.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:always thought Karl was overrated. Remember that Mutumbo/Denver team that upset the #1 Sonics with Payton and Kemp? Yeah, Denver upset Karl's team

This. That series forever ingrained into my memory that Karl was a loser way before Melo could even dunk:

The real issue with Karl is that he does such a good job getting the most out of his teams that it makes people think his rosters are actually better than they are. This guy hasn't had the INSANELY GREAT LUCK of a Phil Jax who had SUPREME talent on most of his teams. Karl has had some OK teams, but nothing as good as some of the all time great teams that have won titles. He's also been competing in the absolute best Conference for years. We live in the East and don't realize how tough the competition is in the West.

This is why I have vehemently defended MDA all these years. MDA got his team to 2 WCF's and got out of the 1st rd. 3 of 4 postseasons. This was against GREAT competition. MDA lost to the Spurs in 3 of 4 playoff series. Lost to the Mavs the other time. But just think about it, Karl didn't have 2 Superstars in Denver and he surely never had a Tim Duncan or Dirk. Melo is a very good player but he's not the same as Tim Duncan or Dirk!!! Karl is getting a bad rap.

He had an all time great in Gary Payton and lost to a borderline great in Mutombo.

tkf wrote:

Solace wrote:Wow that's shocking. They lost Gallo, which I think changed the series for them. But I guess expectations were high, and getting beat by the Warriors wasn't acceptable.

losing gallo was no reason for them to get outplayed the way they did tho. I must admit, Karl was out coached which really doesn't happen much, and his team was outplayed in that series, which hasn't happened much all year...

Agreed, but he is still a good coach overall.

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yes, the Denver apologists are in full swing mode now.

Karl, the great coach, who dragged CancerMoobyMelo to the WCF on the back of the likes of AI and Chauncey.

Karl, he with the more regular season wins than our suckhole, can't get it done in the playoffs, please fire him now, Coach Woody

He wasn't fired, he was mutually "oustered". Good for him and his attempted money grab! At least he's not a grubbing Starphucque like our Mooby!

Denver, the up and coming, ever-improving, properly built out of tremendous Knick "assets", potenshull-filled, out in the first round model,
Knicks, the rapidly decelerating, built for yesterday, Starphucqued, dysfunctionally decrepid, out in the second round model.

Wonder if Karl ends up in Toronto? Can't wait to see him turn Rudy Gay and Landry Fields into the next Gallo and Wilson.

BUT BUT...I thought you built dynasties in the mold of the young nuggets!

Youth and speed and ball movement and depth and...

WHAT!??!!

Both GM and Coach shown the door!!!

Well, there goes that theory...

The bubble is strong with this one.

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:always thought Karl was overrated. Remember that Mutumbo/Denver team that upset the #1 Sonics with Payton and Kemp? Yeah, Denver upset Karl's team

This. That series forever ingrained into my memory that Karl was a loser way before Melo could even dunk:

The real issue with Karl is that he does such a good job getting the most out of his teams that it makes people think his rosters are actually better than they are. This guy hasn't had the INSANELY GREAT LUCK of a Phil Jax who had SUPREME talent on most of his teams. Karl has had some OK teams, but nothing as good as some of the all time great teams that have won titles. He's also been competing in the absolute best Conference for years. We live in the East and don't realize how tough the competition is in the West.

This is why I have vehemently defended MDA all these years. MDA got his team to 2 WCF's and got out of the 1st rd. 3 of 4 postseasons. This was against GREAT competition. MDA lost to the Spurs in 3 of 4 playoff series. Lost to the Mavs the other time. But just think about it, Karl didn't have 2 Superstars in Denver and he surely never had a Tim Duncan or Dirk. Melo is a very good player but he's not the same as Tim Duncan or Dirk!!! Karl is getting a bad rap.

He had an all time great in Gary Payton and lost to a borderline great in Mutombo.

So this is about his one greatest failure and not about the bulk of his career where he won with good talent and overachieved with less talent? GET A F'n CLUE!