AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

wow. Just wow. You really don't have a clue. Melo forced his way here because we had help already. Not his fault. Pierce a stud finals MVP? Funny how great players can help a lottery player look better. Looking back at history, its almost an insult to say Pierce is in the same sentence as Melo. He was a lottery player all until prime KG and Allen came to the rescue.

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

for the tenth time amare is not "the help" for carmelo. he was here first. amazing how the way you put it immediately plays into the whole "displacement theory" i have been pointing out since the trade. melo comes at the expense of gallo, chandler, mozgov, felton. his arrival immediately marginalizes both stat and fields. his arrival pushes d'antoni out and walsh to "retire." not done yet-- he can't abide playing with lin so lin goes too.

great players are supposed to be able to mesh and above that make others better. stoudemire doesn't do that but at least he is a decent pick and roll player. so why would melo want to come to this team unless he doesn't recognize that neither he nor stoudemire have the ability to mesh or make others better?

yet he did come here regardless of what was crystal clear from the onset in december 2010-- and now we are hearing how he needs help. ridiculous

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

wow. Just wow. You really don't have a clue. Melo forced his way here because we had help already. Not his fault. Pierce a stud finals MVP? Funny how great players can help a lottery player look better. Looking back at history, its almost an insult to say Pierce is in the same sentence as Melo. He was a lottery player all until prime KG and Allen came to the rescue.

how did they help pierce look great? did garnett take pierce hands and help him dribble and shoot? did they move his feet to where he defended kobe so well? come on how you sound...

Melo forced his way here because we had help already. Not his fault.

funny you say that, because what was he and amare's record playing together when he first got here? were they not eliminated by boston and the following year the heat? he had help right? but I know amare got injured, as did billups..

again, bad luck right?

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

WELL FOR 11 years running he just has bad luck then...

even more reason to get rid of him....

I guess thats why Minn got rid of KG lol. Because in his 11 years he only got past the first round once just like Melo. And he missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. Just look at history man. Put you hate of Melo to the side just for a second. Look at supporting cast of different stars. Look at Pierce, KG, Wade, Kobe when they didn't have other all-stars alongside them. Look how kobe missed the playoffs, never got past the first round without Shaq or Pau. KG never did without 2 other all-stars next to him. Wade never did without Shaq, or his crew now. Durant this season. Lebron is one of very few exceptions. If your expectation is that he should be good enough to get to the ECF without another big time star then thats on you to adjust you expectations. My expectations of him moving us in the right direction and winning a playoff series were dead on. I can't ask anymore of him until he gets his Westbrook, Pau Gasol, KG, whoever. It was supposed to be Amare, and its not, so adjust your standards a little bit.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

for the tenth time amare is not "the help" for carmelo. he was here first. amazing how the way you put it immediately plays into the whole "displacement theory" i have been pointing out since the trade. melo comes at the expense of gallo, chandler, mozgov, felton. his arrival immediately marginalizes both stat and fields. his arrival pushes d'antoni out and walsh to "retire." not done yet-- he can't abide playing with lin so lin goes too.

great players are supposed to be able to mesh and above that make others better. stoudemire doesn't do that but at least he is a decent pick and roll player. so why would melo want to come to this team unless he doesn't recognize that neither he nor stoudemire have the ability to mesh or make others better?

yet he did come here regardless of what was crystal clear from the onset in december 2010-- and now we are hearing how he needs help. ridiculous

Dolan got rid of Walsh and Melo getting rid of Lin is hearsay but I dont know what went down so I cant really deny at this point. You're right about him getting rid of D'antoni though. Cant defend that.

Now I'll actually agree with you about that Melo wasnt much help this post season either. He didnt really play well enough to be saying he needs someone to help him. The fact still remains that Amare WAS supposed to be a huge part of this team (especially with that contract) and hes merely an after thought now. The most he can be is "help" at this point, regardless of who was here first.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

WELL FOR 11 years running he just has bad luck then...

even more reason to get rid of him....

I guess thats why Minn got rid of KG lol. Because in his 11 years he only got past the first round once just like Melo. And he missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. Just look at history man. Put you hate of Melo to the side just for a second. Look at supporting cast of different stars. Look at Pierce, KG, Wade, Kobe when they didn't have other all-stars alongside them. Look how kobe missed the playoffs, never got past the first round without Shaq or Pau. KG never did without 2 other all-stars next to him. Wade never did without Shaq, or his crew now. Durant this season. Lebron is one of very few exceptions. If your expectation is that he should be good enough to get to the ECF without another big time star then thats on you to adjust you expectations. My expectations of him moving us in the right direction and winning a playoff series were dead on. I can't ask anymore of him until he gets his Westbrook, Pau Gasol, KG, whoever. It was supposed to be Amare, and its not, so adjust your standards a little bit.

you keep bringing up player after player... well this is the difference all of those players.. KG, pierce, paul, durant, lebron were all decorated NBA players... or Consistent star playoff performers!

carmelo has been neither!! so to say he needs help is ridiculous.. He needs to be help first.... second he forced a trade here, if he was too dumb to see how this team was being gutted to get his dumb azz here then again, that is his fault and stupidity.. why is this so hard to see..

We are not going anywhere with this fools gold player.. and it has nothing to do with what KG needed, pierce, lebron, those guys have rings!!!! end of story.. either they were smart enough to collude with the right team, or lucky enough to be traded to a great situation.. either way, they got to the promise land..

Carmelo for 11 years has not been good enough and or just so unlucky.. either way, I don't care, he is an overrated player, making 20 mil a year and is in this position by his own doing.. End of story...

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

WELL FOR 11 years running he just has bad luck then...

even more reason to get rid of him....

I guess thats why Minn got rid of KG lol. Because in his 11 years he only got past the first round once just like Melo. And he missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. Just look at history man. Put you hate of Melo to the side just for a second. Look at supporting cast of different stars. Look at Pierce, KG, Wade, Kobe when they didn't have other all-stars alongside them. Look how kobe missed the playoffs, never got past the first round without Shaq or Pau. KG never did without 2 other all-stars next to him. Wade never did without Shaq, or his crew now. Durant this season. Lebron is one of very few exceptions. If your expectation is that he should be good enough to get to the ECF without another big time star then thats on you to adjust you expectations. My expectations of him moving us in the right direction and winning a playoff series were dead on. I can't ask anymore of him until he gets his Westbrook, Pau Gasol, KG, whoever. It was supposed to be Amare, and its not, so adjust your standards a little bit.

you keep bringing up player after player... well this is the difference all of those players.. KG, pierce, paul, durant, lebron were all decorated NBA players... or Consistent star playoff performers!

carmelo has been neither!! so to say he needs help is ridiculous.. He needs to be help first.... second he forced a trade here, if he was too dumb to see how this team was being gutted to get his dumb azz here then again, that is his fault and stupidity.. why is this so hard to see..

We are not going anywhere with this fools gold player.. and it has nothing to do with what KG needed, pierce, lebron, those guys have rings!!!! end of story.. either they were smart enough to collude with the right team, or lucky enough to be traded to a great situation.. either way, they got to the promise land..

Carmelo for 11 years has not been good enough and or just so unlucky.. either way, I don't care, he is an overrated player, making 20 mil a year and is in this position by his own doing.. End of story...

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you need to lay off the embalming fluid-- i said paul pierce is the superior player because of the skills he has always possessed. this has NOTHING to do with his lottery team years.

Why didn't Paul Pierce use his superior skills to get his team to the playoffs? Did his superior skills fade when Walker left then return when Allen and Garnett arrived?

what did boston have to give up to get pierce? you see boston didn't have to trade to get pierce, therefore that allowed him to get "help" but make no mistake pierce was no playoff flop like carmelo, that is the difference.. Help means nothing if you are no help.... pierce was finals MVP..stud...

carmelo forced his way here ruining any chance at "help" again, it falls on him.. but keep deflecting to pierce.. I love how you make our arguments for us..

His help was supposed to be Amare if im not mistaken. Carmelo didnt ruin that either. Amare just cant stay healthy.

WELL FOR 11 years running he just has bad luck then...

even more reason to get rid of him....

I guess thats why Minn got rid of KG lol. Because in his 11 years he only got past the first round once just like Melo. And he missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. Just look at history man. Put you hate of Melo to the side just for a second. Look at supporting cast of different stars. Look at Pierce, KG, Wade, Kobe when they didn't have other all-stars alongside them. Look how kobe missed the playoffs, never got past the first round without Shaq or Pau. KG never did without 2 other all-stars next to him. Wade never did without Shaq, or his crew now. Durant this season. Lebron is one of very few exceptions. If your expectation is that he should be good enough to get to the ECF without another big time star then thats on you to adjust you expectations. My expectations of him moving us in the right direction and winning a playoff series were dead on. I can't ask anymore of him until he gets his Westbrook, Pau Gasol, KG, whoever. It was supposed to be Amare, and its not, so adjust your standards a little bit.

you keep bringing up player after player... well this is the difference all of those players.. KG, pierce, paul, durant, lebron were all decorated NBA players... or Consistent star playoff performers!

carmelo has been neither!! so to say he needs help is ridiculous.. He needs to be help first.... second he forced a trade here, if he was too dumb to see how this team was being gutted to get his dumb azz here then again, that is his fault and stupidity.. why is this so hard to see..

We are not going anywhere with this fools gold player.. and it has nothing to do with what KG needed, pierce, lebron, those guys have rings!!!! end of story.. either they were smart enough to collude with the right team, or lucky enough to be traded to a great situation.. either way, they got to the promise land..

Carmelo for 11 years has not been good enough and or just so unlucky.. either way, I don't care, he is an overrated player, making 20 mil a year and is in this position by his own doing.. End of story...

Just do me a favor and reserve judgment on his success in playoffs until he gets someone of Westbrook, KG, Gasol, etc caliber, because thats what every other player needed. He should not be treated as the exception. And don't blame him for the Denver trade. He didn't make the trade, nor could he demand who the Nuggets asked for in return. I would have done the same as him. I wouldn't want to go into a lockout without a contract, so how could we expect him to do that too?