TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

"think of a way to win with him." he has had 10 years of people thinking of ways to win with him.

he blew his opportunity to win anything when his "legend in my own mind" and "money before winning" value-system kicked in in early 2011.

but let's hear how you think we can win with him.

Ok im gonna try to explain this. Melos here to stay like it or not. Dolan wants that star to put asses in the seats and to be the face of the franchise. I dont really like it but its the way it is. So, I think a more realistic way to go is try to think of a way to improve the team with him on it since hes gonna be on it. Kind of like how we all agree that we're not gonna be able to trade Amare except the difference is the Melo can actually stay on the floor. I dont know a way to win with him right now. I'd have to think long and hard about it. But, if you want to be realistic, you have to come up scenarios that have him on the team cause hes gonna be here.

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

"think of a way to win with him." he has had 10 years of people thinking of ways to win with him.

he blew his opportunity to win anything when his "legend in my own mind" and "money before winning" value-system kicked in in early 2011.

but let's hear how you think we can win with him.

Ok im gonna try to explain this. Melos here to stay like it or not. Dolan wants that star to put asses in the seats and to be the face of the franchise. I dont really like it but its the way it is. So, I think a more realistic way to go is try to think of a way to improve the team with him on it since hes gonna be on it. Kind of like how we all agree that we're not gonna be able to trade Amare except the difference is the Melo can actually stay on the floor. I dont know a way to win with him right now. I'd have to think long and hard about it. But, if you want to be realistic, you have to come up scenarios that have him on the team cause hes gonna be here.

Like I said before you can easily build around Melo but you can't build around Melo with an empty 19 million on your salary cap because unfortunately Amar'e has health issues. If Amar'e is off the cap with 18 million the knicks could pick up several players in this weak FA and become a better team. If Amar'e played 85-90% of a season and was healthy in the playoffs its a totally different team. Those are not excuses that is reality. What other playoff team has a 19 million dollar hole?

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

"think of a way to win with him." he has had 10 years of people thinking of ways to win with him.

he blew his opportunity to win anything when his "legend in my own mind" and "money before winning" value-system kicked in in early 2011.

but let's hear how you think we can win with him.

Ok im gonna try to explain this. Melos here to stay like it or not. Dolan wants that star to put asses in the seats and to be the face of the franchise. I dont really like it but its the way it is. So, I think a more realistic way to go is try to think of a way to improve the team with him on it since hes gonna be on it. Kind of like how we all agree that we're not gonna be able to trade Amare except the difference is the Melo can actually stay on the floor. I dont know a way to win with him right now. I'd have to think long and hard about it. But, if you want to be realistic, you have to come up scenarios that have him on the team cause hes gonna be here.

Like I said before you can easily build around Melo but you can't build around Melo with an empty 19 million on your salary cap because unfortunately Amar'e has health issues. If Amar'e is off the cap with 18 million the knicks could pick up several players in this weak FA and become a better team. If Amar'e played 85-90% of a season and was healthy in the playoffs its a totally different team. Those are not excuses that is reality. What other playoff team has a 19 million dollar hole?

Yeah hes really made our options limited. It also sucks that hes most likely gonna be on minutes restriction all next season as well. Ideally, I'd like Amare to be the guy of the 2nd unit along with JR but I dont know how well that would work.

IF Amar'e is very serious he needs to seek out medical help. Go to Germany see if that procedure can help. Somethings

True, Amare should get the same procedure Kobe did on his knees.

ChuckBuck wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

"think of a way to win with him." he has had 10 years of people thinking of ways to win with him.

he blew his opportunity to win anything when his "legend in my own mind" and "money before winning" value-system kicked in in early 2011.

but let's hear how you think we can win with him.

Ok im gonna try to explain this. Melos here to stay like it or not. Dolan wants that star to put asses in the seats and to be the face of the franchise. I dont really like it but its the way it is. So, I think a more realistic way to go is try to think of a way to improve the team with him on it since hes gonna be on it. Kind of like how we all agree that we're not gonna be able to trade Amare except the difference is the Melo can actually stay on the floor. I dont know a way to win with him right now. I'd have to think long and hard about it. But, if you want to be realistic, you have to come up scenarios that have him on the team cause hes gonna be here.

Like I said before you can easily build around Melo but you can't build around Melo with an empty 19 million on your salary cap because unfortunately Amar'e has health issues. If Amar'e is off the cap with 18 million the knicks could pick up several players in this weak FA and become a better team. If Amar'e played 85-90% of a season and was healthy in the playoffs its a totally different team. Those are not excuses that is reality. What other playoff team has a 19 million dollar hole?

Yeah hes really made our options limited. It also sucks that hes most likely gonna be on minutes restriction all next season as well. Ideally, I'd like Amare to be the guy of the 2nd unit along with JR but I dont know how well that would work.

IF Amar'e is very serious he needs to seek out medical help. Go to Germany see if that procedure can help. Somethings

True, Amare should get the same procedure Kobe did on his knees.

What I don't know is how the microfracture surgery may affect his ability to be a candidate for that other procedure. If I was him I would do that asap to be ready for next season. He had the whole season for a vacation.

Like teamball said.. He's not going anywhere. It would be BAD BUSINESS for MSG to trade Melo so its hope we can build up this team and get lucky. Hopefully a PG or something comes out of nowhere and blows up. A guy who can galvanize his teammates and energize the franchise. Hmmm....

TeamBall wrote:Also, I dont really like Boeheim ripping Prigs. He was a key guy for the team and shouldnt have been dismissed just because he didnt score against team USA.

Yeah, my thoughts too. Speaking of scoring 0 points vs Team USA, remember Carlos Arroyo and this schooling? http://www.usabasketball.com/seniormen/2004/04_moly1_box.html

fishmike wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

man I was rooting so hard for these guys. I mostly stayed away from the boards because its so negative and people cant cope with just acknowledging what they see on the floor.

People think I hate Melo. I dont and never have. The worst thing I could say about Melo is his coming was premature. We had a good team. How good? Well thats the thing with young players, you need some years to see them progress (or not).

If Melo was a #2 I have no doubt he could be a championship caliber player. Put him next to either a feature bigman or a feature PG. So long as Melo is the #2. Derick Rose, Dwight Howard, Darren Williams, JRue, CP3... Honestly its hard to envision chemistry or Melo allowing another player to take the ball out of his hands, but thats exactly what Melo needs. The ball out of his hands. We have seen for ten years what happens. He pounds the ball and if he does pass it nobody on the team is expecting it!

I have said this several times and its VERY telling in my opinion.

Two years stick out.
1) 2009 Nuggs: Billups controlled the ball, Melo's scoring (22.8ppg) was his lowest since his sophmore year and it was Denver's best year going to the WCF.
2) 2008 Nuggs: first round playoff exit, BUT this was the only year in the NBA that MElo didnt take the most shots on his team. Thats because Iverson dominated the ball. Why do I mention this? Because it was Melo's best year shooting the ball at 49%

Its a tough one. Take the ball out of his hands (Olympics, see examples above) and he is better. More efficient. Bigger impact.

So who can we add thats taking the ball out of his hands? Closest guy was Lin and the Knicks didnt want him.

So who's it going to be?

Our REAL problem isnt with Melo, its with Dolan. Because a Melo owned team will make the playoffs, be exciting, he will sell jersies and the Garden will make a fortune and the fans will be typing these stupid posts year after year when we get bounced in the post season.

Tough days

If Melo would shoot more in the rhythm of an offense and be on the receiving end of a pass he's more effective percentage wise. I agree with that Fishmike, but the ball would really have to be moving around alot for that to happen.

Maybe he has to play with a player that has a dominate personality who he also respects and be patient with.

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's not a bum. But this is whats to be expected by his typical jock riding homers. Did Melo play like a star? No. He didnt. He played very poorly, and very consistant with how he ALWAYS performs in the playoffs.

Its easy to say he's a bum and garbage and label real observations as hating because thats all you have left. Third year in a row your hero has left you feeling empty and searching for excuses. It must be exhausting to idolize such a player. You see the talent, you see the greatness but if you keep your eyes open long enough you will see volume shooting and me first basketball which yields the same results year after year.

Melo shot 40% and 33% in losses over a 6-6 stretch against Bos and Indy and your STILL crying about his supporting cast.

Fish im actually kind of with you and respect your point of view since I saw that you went into the post season with an open mind about Melo and the team as a whole. However, my thing is, hes not gonna be traded. Hes the face of the franchise and hes here to stay. So I'd rather thing of a way to win with him than pout and complain about his presence (not saying you're doing that).

"think of a way to win with him." he has had 10 years of people thinking of ways to win with him.

he blew his opportunity to win anything when his "legend in my own mind" and "money before winning" value-system kicked in in early 2011.

but let's hear how you think we can win with him.

Ok im gonna try to explain this. Melos here to stay like it or not. Dolan wants that star to put asses in the seats and to be the face of the franchise. I dont really like it but its the way it is. So, I think a more realistic way to go is try to think of a way to improve the team with him on it since hes gonna be on it. Kind of like how we all agree that we're not gonna be able to trade Amare except the difference is the Melo can actually stay on the floor. I dont know a way to win with him right now. I'd have to think long and hard about it. But, if you want to be realistic, you have to come up scenarios that have him on the team cause hes gonna be here.

I know you may be 100% correct there, dolan is not going to move him, and the idea of that just depresses me to no end!!!

it makes me feel as helpless as this:

are you desert thirsty ? Rihanna might have a few advices ... or maybe JR ... lol

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Love that Boeheim called out Tyson. The guy is the reason the Knicks are home right now and he is talking junk. Tyson needs to Take some ownership for his horrific play that cost the knicks the series, gain some muscle weight, learn a post move and learn to catch. The team would be a lot better if the 15 mil invested in him was spent somewhere else or he at least played a little better.

Yes you are right Tyson did have a nightmare of a series guarding Hibbert still being hurt.

But everything he said was based upon a team trying to win a championship.

Every team that's left in the playoffs play the way Tyson describes.

The knicks played that way early in the season too.

Tyson is the only one who won something to voice his opinion, I would love to hear what Kidd thinks or Sheed. They really know what it takes to win a Championship.

Melo knows how to win a Championship in college , but Karl couldn't reach him as a rookie to help him learn that everybody is good at the professional level.

Makes you wonder why a team oriented squad like the Piston didn't take him in the draft.

Tyson needs to make his statements to his teammates not to the media. Also, he was the second highest paid player with any expectations placed on him and he failed miserably and has no business calling others out in the media without first taking some responsibility for his own poor play. I didn't know getting the flu meant that you lost your ability to catch/hold onto the ball when you were in the paint but apparently in his case it did. In regards to the Pistons drafting Darko, it was the worst move in their history as a franchise. Dumars messed up really badly.

Also, do you think the Knicks would take as many jump shots if their center had a post game? The guy was missing lobs and passes left and right. Usually he fumbles bounce passes and passes lower than his neck but I guess do to his injury although he said that was not an issue he couldn't catch lobs. Each player failed to do their job so shut up get together as a team and get better.