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Nalod
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5/14/2013  6:59 AM
Chandler made a jumper. OMG, it was incredible! I had no idea he could do this. He tried to pull Hibbert out of the paint. Not rocket science here.

I love how all are thinking the knicks "Blew it".

No, Indy executed and beat us. How you ask yourselves?

Not by assigning blame and putting a band aid on it.

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5/14/2013  7:08 AM
Nalod wrote:Chandler made a jumper. OMG, it was incredible! I had no idea he could do this. He tried to pull Hibbert out of the paint. Not rocket science here.

I love how all are thinking the knicks "Blew it".

No, Indy executed and beat us. How you ask yourselves?

Not by assigning blame and putting a band aid on it.

Don't try and down play this Nalod, any jump shooting Center makes Hibbert sweat and puts him at a disadvantage by making him run out to the shooter with slow feet.

The foul line Jumper I believe Tyson can make consistently if given the chance in the offense.

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5/14/2013  8:40 AM
So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?
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5/14/2013  9:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  9:35 AM
jrodmc wrote:So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?

He made that shot when he played at Dallas too. Many bow down and succumb and don't make themselves apart of the team offensively because of the personalities. Matter of fact when Melo was out I recall him shooting more Jumpshots.

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5/14/2013  9:45 AM
playa2 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?

He made that shot when he played at Dallas too. Many bow down and succumb and don't make themselves apart of the team offensively because of the personalities. Matter of fact when Melo was out I recall him shooting more Jumpshots.

I recall him missing them as well.

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5/14/2013  9:50 AM
Tyson needs to roll to the basket off the PnR instead of staying high for the jumper. His rolls need to be wider to create a better angle and occupy Hibbert. Hibbert is not coming out to guard Tyson and is staying in the lane. Only take the jumper when it is not a PnR.
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5/14/2013  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  10:24 AM
Why dinosours like Hibbert are few and far between?

Because most of todays bigs can shoot a mid range shot.

FluTyson is not a threat. Its why Camby's career got prolonged until he broke down on the GW on his way to town.

Its why Marc Gasol is putting a hurt on OKC. Ibaka and Perk not hitting their shots, and Gasol can hang in the paint on Defense.

We don't have to ask ourselves questions we know the answer to.

If you got a big muthafucher like Hibbert and no Travis Knight to pull him off the boards, you gonna get killed on the boards.

Ray not aggresive enough? When you got a big waiting for him and the passing lane to tyson is not there, theres less to do. Prigg's the same. Kick out to the big who can hit the shot. Ooops, we dont' got one! FluCamby got bad feet and Dirty kurty is entombed! This is what RashWeed does well. Maybe we'll find out if weed reduces bone density, until then, he is out.

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5/14/2013  10:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2013  10:27 AM
playa2 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?

He made that shot when he played at Dallas too. Many bow down and succumb and don't make themselves apart of the team offensively because of the personalities. Matter of fact when Melo was out I recall him shooting more Jumpshots.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2199&zone-mode=basic

According to his shot chart this season Tyson took only 39 total shots from outside the restricted area; 25 in the paint and 14 from mid-range. The year before he also took 39 shots; 30 in the paint, 8 mid-range, and 1 corner 3. His one year in Dallas he did take more shots from outside. 95 shots outside the restricted area of which 49 were in the paint and 46 were from mid-range.

Most of his shot charts look like the one from his year in Dallas; around 75%-80% of his shots happening at the basket with the others in the paint or mid-range. Since he came here he's taking around 90% of his shots at the basket with only 10% from the paint and mid-range combined.

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5/14/2013  10:31 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
playa2 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?

He made that shot when he played at Dallas too. Many bow down and succumb and don't make themselves apart of the team offensively because of the personalities. Matter of fact when Melo was out I recall him shooting more Jumpshots.

I recall him missing them as well.

He shot 7 for 14 from outside the paint this year (great find Vcoug). Career-wise, it looks like he hits around 40% of them, which is pretty normal for a front-court player. For whatever reason, those shots are just not part of his role here.

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5/14/2013  12:58 PM
VCoug wrote:
playa2 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:So we needed to wait until the second round of the playoffs for our dunk and putback center to reinvent himself into Mr. Mid-Range Jumper?

He made that shot when he played at Dallas too. Many bow down and succumb and don't make themselves apart of the team offensively because of the personalities. Matter of fact when Melo was out I recall him shooting more Jumpshots.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2199&zone-mode=basic

According to his shot chart this season Tyson took only 39 total shots from outside the restricted area; 25 in the paint and 14 from mid-range. The year before he also took 39 shots; 30 in the paint, 8 mid-range, and 1 corner 3. His one year in Dallas he did take more shots from outside. 95 shots outside the restricted area of which 49 were in the paint and 46 were from mid-range.

Most of his shot charts look like the one from his year in Dallas; around 75%-80% of his shots happening at the basket with the others in the paint or mid-range. Since he came here he's taking around 90% of his shots at the basket with only 10% from the paint and mid-range combined.

Thank You ! Most Knicks fans are trying to explain to me what Tyson can't do.

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5/14/2013  2:39 PM
VCoug wrote:This has nothing to do with need, desire, heart, or any of the other BS excuses used when maybe a team just isn't good enough. In the cases of Kidd and Chandler it's about age and injury. Kidd's obviously washed up at this point in his career and is playing pretty much the same now as he has since January; really, nothing's changed. Tyson's hurt. He missed the last month of the season with a bulging disk in his neck which he clearly hasn't recovered from. Spinal injuries are pretty serious and we shouldn't be expecting the same Tyson until next season.

Point taken. If, as you say, it's a injury issues, then he should be playing limited minutes. He should move down the bench, and allow Barron to take a shoot at the center position. If Hibbert has more obligations on the defensive end, maybe it will slow him down on offense. Everyone speaks of the playoffs as the time to put your best foot forward and step up. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!

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5/14/2013  6:33 PM
His one year in Dallas he did take more shots from outside. 95 shots outside the restricted area of which 49 were in the paint and 46 were from mid-range.

That tells me Tyson Chandler could be used to bring Hibbert out from under the basket by shooting the mid range jumper that the Pacers give up.

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5/14/2013  9:39 PM

QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK OURSSELVES


What made Woodson not open the floor with 3 pt shooters and does Prigioni have an injury along with Camby

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5/14/2013  9:46 PM
I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.
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5/14/2013  9:50 PM
playa2 wrote:I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.

You do know that the Pacers are the best defensive team in the league aswell as the best at defending the 3. Its not as easy as you say....Knicks aren't out there playing against themselves, the Pacers are a really good team...

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5/14/2013  9:58 PM
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playa2 wrote:I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.

You do know that the Pacers are the best defensive team in the league aswell as the best at defending the 3. Its not as easy as you say....Knicks aren't out there playing against themselves, the Pacers are a really good team...

We don't out rebound teams we outscore them and play defense. Inserting 3 pt shooters.... This approach will loosen the bunched up paint of defenders. Come on this isn't rocket science, I watched this team all freakin season.

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5/14/2013  9:58 PM
Uptown wrote:
playa2 wrote:I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.
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You do know that the Pacers are the best defensive team in the league aswell as the best at defending the 3. Its not as easy as you say....Knicks aren't out there playing against themselves, the Pacers are a really good team...

A "really good team" that will get embarrassed when they play the heat. Lebron will go right at that sack of fat Indiana calls Roy Hibbert and it will be foul shots every time.

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5/14/2013  10:03 PM
This isn't about just Melo, that's the media's selling papers, it's about inserting role players who do what we need when we needed , if one guy doesn't perform , you use someone else, you have nothing to lose.

Pablo and Copeland deserve more respect than what they have been given. Pablo gets loose balls and makes deflections , Kidd has lost more than 1 step in that category.

Melo needs to receive the ball sometimes after ball movement before he shoots, it doesn't help his teammates when he starts the shot clock going one on one.

Not that much of an adjustment, you just have to know who's got it who who doesn't night in and night out.

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5/14/2013  10:06 PM
playa2 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
playa2 wrote:I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.

You do know that the Pacers are the best defensive team in the league aswell as the best at defending the 3. Its not as easy as you say....Knicks aren't out there playing against themselves, the Pacers are a really good team...

We don't out rebound teams we outscore them and play defense. Inserting 3 pt shooters.... This approach will loosen the bunched up paint of defenders. Come on this isn't rocket science, I watched this team all freakin season.

And I didn't? Basketball is a game of matchups....The things that Indiana does well, nullafies the things we do well. They guard the 3 point line better than anyone, and we rely on the 3 point shot. Something has to give.....We were never a good rebonding team and Indy is one of the best which nullafies our good defensive efforts because we get the stop, but they get the second chance points....If you are paying close attention, the Pacers guard the paint and the 3 point line. The mid-range game is open and we exploited that part of the court in game 2 but not so much after that.

If we are going to exploit the 3 point line, its going to have to come against the player that West is guarding...He's not used to coming out that far and he's guarding Shump whose been slumping. The one move to make is to put Copeland in for Shump and force West to guard the 3 point line. Thats only crack I see in this Indy defense.....outside of the midrange game....

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5/14/2013  10:12 PM
Uptown wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Uptown wrote:
playa2 wrote:I mean seriously the right substitutions and the Pacers buckle under pressure with our 3 pt shooter (Copeland) , with dribble drive kick.

You do know that the Pacers are the best defensive team in the league aswell as the best at defending the 3. Its not as easy as you say....Knicks aren't out there playing against themselves, the Pacers are a really good team...

We don't out rebound teams we outscore them and play defense. Inserting 3 pt shooters.... This approach will loosen the bunched up paint of defenders. Come on this isn't rocket science, I watched this team all freakin season.

And I didn't? Basketball is a game of matchups....The things that Indiana does well, nullafies the things we do well. They guard the 3 point line better than anyone, and we rely on the 3 point shot. Something has to give.....We were never a good rebonding team and Indy is one of the best which nullafies our good defensive efforts because we get the stop, but they get the second chance points....If you are paying close attention, the Pacers guard the paint and the 3 point line. The mid-range game is open and we exploited that part of the court in game 2 but not so much after that.

If we are going to exploit the 3 point line, its going to have to come against the player that West is guarding...He's not used to coming out that far and he's guarding Shump whose been slumping. The one move to make is to put Copeland in for Shump and force West to guard the 3 point line. Thats only crack I see in this Indy defense.....outside of the midrange game....

When Hibbert went out and we have our 3 pt shooters in we could have posted up Melo and forced them to double. Put Copeland in at Center and mid range and low post scoring is solved. These are in game adjustments on the fly that you have to make.

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