Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.

Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?

I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.

That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart.

I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.

I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:

1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.

Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?

I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.

That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart.

I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.

I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:

1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.

Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?

I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.

That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart.

I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.

I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:

1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.

It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?

Yes, I was going to say something else and then realized I didn't want to say it and forgot to replace 2 with 1. My bad.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I don't view it as a strong intrusion.....why do people keep saying that. I feel its an unnecessary announcement like say, your watching TV and and your show goes to commercial. Right before it comes back on they say, (your shows title) up now.....like you need to know that. Its unnecessary but, not exactly an intrusion. People are construing a stronger emotional response to their "coming out" than I actually feel. I just think its not necessary, as opposed to personally problematic any way.

Strong, moderate, whatever. Would you have the same reaction if, for example, he said he was a Muslim or a Jain?

I'd like to think so and I rarely talk religion except in the most general of terms. I have Muslim friends, some American born and some here on student visas and a couple of what I call fake Muslim family members. The kind that convert in prison, keep the name but forget everything else. Not sure what a Jain is but, I work in a scholastic environment with people from all walks of life, from all over the world. I've yet to meet someone I couldn't find common ground or a basis for some type of positive interaction.

That's fair enough. After I asked the question, I realized that I actually am not fond of hearing players when being interviewed after games say, "I'd like to thank God for..." or something along those lines. If they want to be religious in their private lives, that's fine though. So maybe our views aren't that far apart.

I don't think your view is realistic, though, unless you're going to also say that he can never go on a date in public or hold his partner's hand in public. Surely, people would start to ask him what's going on.

I was just going to say that I don't have a problem with people who say stuff like "I thank God" because in truth I agree with them. 2 things though:

1) Are they saying that because they truely thank God? If so, then I don't see a problem with it. It doesn't really degrade any 1 religion. However, if they are just saying that to make themselves look good then they should probably STFU.

It doesn't cause me severe stress by any means. You can imagine how badly it would go over though if the player said "I think my atheistic worldview has helped me to succeed" after a great performance.
Did you say "2 things"?

If anything, I guess that would be kind of funny in a sick way.

gunsnewing wrote:^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hipocracy

Former Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter.

"Congrats to Jason Collins"

Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.

Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."

I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:^Exactly. If I was a player I would thank Satan for that very reason. Just to piss everyone off and expose hipocracy

LOL! Start every interview thanking Satan!

Not sure why but, I find that hilarious.

I had to let it sink in for a second but then I agreed.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:s

Former Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter.

"Congrats to Jason Collins"

Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.

Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."

I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them.

I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.

Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.

A co workers once confronted me about something I said. Quoted to Bible to prove I was "wrong."

I asked if she believe in everything found in her bible and she said yes, that it was the "LIVING WORD OF GOD."

I then asked her if she Honors and Obeys her Husband because that is also in the book. At that point she called me a fool sinner and ended the conversation.

I should some SOME, instead of making it sound all inclusive among Christians.

This. And as Allanfan is sayin, it's supposed to be a religion preaching tolerance and forgiveness, yet the amount of examples of hypocrisy in the context of tolerance/forgiveness is vast.

I've often thought that if Gawd was the almighty reason for everything that happens, how can't that breed a sense of a apathetic worldview, passiveness and people not taking responsibility for their life/choices. How about crediting yourself with your deeds?

God not married?

Hmmmmm, maybe god is..........?

Naw! Just messing!

DurzoBlint wrote:

Nalod wrote:s

Former Green Bay Packers safety Leroy Butler offered a few words of support via Twitter.

"Congrats to Jason Collins"

Seemingly harmless, but not to the church where Butler had a speech scheduled. A Wisconsin church cancelled Butler's engagement because of support to Collins for being strong enough to come out and announce that he was gay.

Butler tweeted: "Wow, I was scheduled to speak at a church in WI, and a member said that the pastor wants to cancel my event. I said ok why? Then I was told, because I said congrats to Jason Collins on Twitter," Butler wrote. "I said really? we have a contract, he said check the moral cause, FYI the fee was $8,500, then I was told if I removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event. I said no, only god can judge."

I'm not one to get into the religious aspect of this whole debate. But churches would condemn millions if they knew about all the others sins that happen daily. I can see where the church has their beliefs and they can cancel out anyone who doesn't share them.

I have heard people say that the Bible calls in an abomination thought, None of them have ever been able to tell me WHERE or point it out for me. I don't think it actually says that but, you can't reasonable converse with people with Strong religious views. Those conversations have no connection to actual logic in many, many cases. Even though Christianity is supposed to be tolerant, you find a strong level of intolerance among them.

Christianity isn't about tolerance. God has no tolerance. Look up the word holy some day, and try to understand what the standard actually is. Jesus isn't about toleration of ANY sin, my pet ones, yours, or Jason Collins'. He told the woman caught in the act of adultery, "Go, and sin no more". Not very tolerant.

DurzoBlint wrote:
Whats bugs the hell out of me is the way they PICK AND CHOOSE the parts they want to believe in. If you going to hold up the Bible and use it to critique my way of life, then you need to follow it in its ENTIRETY. If not then you are full of (blank) and need to STFU.

Christians don't get to pick and choose. Nobody does. Conversely you don't want your way of life 'critiqued', but you feel free to decide how Christians need to live out theirs. Interesting logic.

Only one person ever followed it in it's ENTIRETY. And He got turned into hamburger meat for all us sinnners. And He's the reason for all the seasons. There is a wrong and right. It has to be one way. If there's all different ways, then there's all different wrong and rights. You have to stand on something in order to be able to know where you're standing, right?

Peace.