DurzoBlint wrote:I just don't remember him seeming so flawed in Denver

He was and always has been....there were some who tried to say so over and over since the trade was made.

The problem I see is this.

There are some who watch lots of basketball and/or sports in general. Their scope of fanship expands beyond New York. They have LP or are connected with online streaming sites allowing them to take in as much of this game as possible. At least the last 5-7yrs has provided such and outlet and in the case of League Pass over 10yrs. I've come to find even fans who call themselves diehards don't catch much of this team than say the casual fan. There were some of us who watch the NBA because we love the sport of basketball.... in some cases more than the actual team we root for. You then have to factor in things such as Fantasy Basketball League participation, which could encourage others to follow players they ought not, if they weren't involved in a league. Nevertheless it's clear to me those which have more exposure to the sport.... invest time to know just as much about other teams, players, coaches, mgmt, in comparison to the team, player, coach, mgmt they root for primarily.

Not to mention all the Metric Data available to us to dissect and analyze the aforementioned.

There was 8yrs of data on Melo before we acquired him, clearly proving he was extremely flawed and yet we gave up everything we possibly could to get him. Looking back at the trade had Lebron wanted to come here and we had a chance to do a deal at the same time..... what would we have traded to get him? I can't think of anything else we could have offered besides Fields and a broken Amar'e. This proves how ridiculous the trade was.

Melo didn't perform well in last yrs playoffs...the yr before he was hit and miss and this yr he's pretty much miss. Now if his shoulder is hurting him and possibly his knee again.... ask yourself why has he put up more FGA/gm in this season's playoffs than any of his previous yrs. I've never managed to wrap my head around a player who says their arm/hands/shoulder/elbow etc etc hurt but will chuck at an alarming rate well over the norm.

playa2 wrote:

tkf wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I just don't remember him seeming so flawed in Denver

I do....

Dude I have known you on boards for 10 yrs man and you haven't shown any growth with your narrow mindedness towards players or coaches you dislike on the knicks.

Swish where are you man ?

I like JR and really hope he reverts BACK to the guy we had before the post season begun. Dude is Iso-Earling all the time, has forgotten what a good facilitator he is and is just forcing the issue.

DurzoBlint wrote:They are roll players that at times play anywhere from good to very good but, they have proven that they can't be relied to produce at such a level long term. True allstars always find a way to produce.

Tyson - this season - has not even resembled the man won the DPOY and JR doesn't even resemble the man that won the 6th man award just a few weeks ago. His performance in the playoffs is a complete return to the player we has last season except last season he was a good facilitator. So far in the playoffs, he been playing a bunch of Iso-Earl, passing to no one.

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:They are roll players that at times play anywhere from good to very good but, they have proven that they can't be relied to produce at such a level long term. True allstars always find a way to produce.

Tyson - this season - has not even resembled the man won the DPOY and JR doesn't even resemble the man that won the 6th man award just a few weeks ago. His performance in the playoffs is a complete return to the player we has last season except last season he was a good facilitator. So far in the playoffs, he been playing a bunch of Iso-Earl, passing to no one.

But that means Melo's not a true all star then. For the post-season he's shooting .378 with bad production in all of the non-scoring areas of the game.

3 rebounds from your starting center. Say it with me.

3 REBOUNDS IN 28 FOUL OUT OF THE GAME MINUTES!

Plusminus of -8 for the stat junkies out there for our defending DPOY.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:They are roll players that at times play anywhere from good to very good but, they have proven that they can't be relied to produce at such a level long term. True allstars always find a way to produce.

Tyson - this season - has not even resembled the man won the DPOY and JR doesn't even resemble the man that won the 6th man award just a few weeks ago. His performance in the playoffs is a complete return to the player we has last season except last season he was a good facilitator. So far in the playoffs, he been playing a bunch of Iso-Earl, passing to no one.

But that means Melo's not a true all star then. For the post-season he's shooting .378 with bad production in all of the non-scoring areas of the game.

3 rebounds from your starting center. Say it with me.

3 REBOUNDS IN 28 FOUL OUT OF THE GAME MINUTES!

Plusminus of -8 for the stat junkies out there for our defending DPOY.

How come Tyson isn't getting any rope since he proved to help a team win a Championship in the past and Melo proved nothing in the past besides 1st round exits? Also didn't Tyson limp into the playoffs? Isn't Melo hurt somewhat now?

So why the pitchforks and flaming bottles for Tyson?

This is kind of like a conspiracy right?

"They" keep telling you melo is star then he must be one right?

MS wrote:If the Knicks lose to the Pacers the Knicks need to move Chandler and Melo and start to rebuild their team. We have way to many aging players on this roster and our second best player doesn't take the game seriously. Chances are he leaves anyway in the offseason.

The Pacers will improve at the SG, SF and Center. The Knicks have one player that has a chance to get better in Iman. Look at Melo's numbers he really didn't improve on anything this season. The perception just changed.

The Bulls are playing with half a roster and compete harder every night. And right now as we get older it's going to be tougher to continue to compete, because we don't have a lot to offer free agents. Miami is likley to get all guys at the midlevel and the Bulls were better than us without Rose, so what's to say the knicks improve on in the offseason?

Melo's value like Marbury's will only be high for a little while longer. Remember isiah turned down a deal with the Hawks for their pick that could have been Paul or Deron Williams.

MS wrote:If the Knicks lose to the Pacers the Knicks need to move Chandler and Melo and start to rebuild their team.

I disagree.

NUPE wrote:

MS wrote:If the Knicks lose to the Pacers the Knicks need to move Chandler and Melo and start to rebuild their team.

I disagree.

AnubisADL wrote:Melo not a franchise player? I guess Chris Paul isnt a franchise player either.

Chris Paul took the LOWLY Clippers to the playoffs.

Melo took the depleted and elderly Knicks to the playoffs.

Fact is most guys cant even get there team to the dam playoffs. Knicks have 35 million tied up in USELESS players. Amare and Flu Tyson have given us NOTHING in the playoffs. Pretty sad when Andrew Bogut is putting up better stats.

Bogut is a very good player who is always been injured.

Melo took us to the playoffs. Gallo, amare and wilson had us over .500 and likley going to the playoffs that year. If Melo is on the Nets who knows how many teams look after that.

Melo took us to the playoffs. Its nice. Two first round bumps, because we depleted. Ok, thats the price we pay. Not his fault and all the while we have a star.

2nd seed and first place !! This is nice.

According to Playa, it it don't matter.

So Jury is out. gotta beat Indy!

Otherwise, it don't matter!

Bonn1997 wrote:

NUPE wrote:

MS wrote:If the Knicks lose to the Pacers the Knicks need to move Chandler and Melo and start to rebuild their team.

I disagree.

I'm shocked.

Who exactly are we trading Melo and Chandler for that will actually improve the team? Most likely, no one. Despite all the claims of Melo being inferior to so many other so called stars the fact is that Melo has yielded better results than players that are supposedly real stars.

The reality is that the Knicks have a 3 or so year window for the current team due to how the current contracts are structured. Trashing the plan after the most successful season in 10+ years would be shortsighted and premature.