KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

After trading every single asset to get Melo, there was nothing major that the Knicks could have used to get Chris Paul, so he was never coming here, the Knicks over bid for Melo and are paying dearly for that.

Not entirely correct ..We don't have the cap room to sign Chris Paul..I know it's easy to assign blame on Melo for most things that occur in Knickland but he shows up for the most part and plays well when healthy...He has clearly out performed the guys he was traded for..The problem is Amare..If we didn't make the trade, how would we be as a team with Gallo, and Felton??..Will just coming back from injury??..Amare out the last 2.5 years?? Lottery.??

holfresh wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

After trading every single asset to get Melo, there was nothing major that the Knicks could have used to get Chris Paul, so he was never coming here, the Knicks over bid for Melo and are paying dearly for that.

Not entirely correct ..We don't have the cap room to sign Chris Paul..I know it's easy to assign blame on Melo for most things that occur in Knickland but he shows up for the most part and plays well when healthy...He has clearly out performed the guys he was traded for..The problem is Amare..If we didn't make the trade, how would we be as a team with Gallo, and Felton??..Will just coming back from injury??..Amare out the last 2.5 years?? Lottery.??

I totally agree that STAT’s contract is killing our cap, I’m just explaining that just like Melo, Chris Paul was not coming to the Knicks unless you trade for him, and while Melo was the best player on the Denver deal, I had always believed that the package that we sent as a whole was little too much. Had we kept a couple of those assets, the outlook of this team may be different now or at least the Knicks would have other options.

Also, last offseason I was very heart broken, I felt that there were some young players available for cheap that the Knicks should sign and try to develop and improve their value for future trades. Instead the Knicks started collecting players wayyyy past their prime with little value for most NBA teams and again are paying dearly for that.

knicks1248 wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

After trading every single asset to get Melo, there was nothing major that the Knicks could have used to get Chris Paul, so he was never coming here, the Knicks over bid for Melo and are paying dearly for that.

Not entirely correct ..We don't have the cap room to sign Chris Paul..I know it's easy to assign blame on Melo for most things that occur in Knickland but he shows up for the most part and plays well when healthy...He has clearly out performed the guys he was traded for..The problem is Amare..If we didn't make the trade, how would we be as a team with Gallo, and Felton??..Will just coming back from injury??..Amare out the last 2.5 years?? Lottery.??

I totally agree that STAT’s contract is killing our cap, I’m just explaining that just like Melo, Chris Paul was not coming to the Knicks unless you trade for him, and while Melo was the best player on the Denver deal, I had always believed that the package that we sent as a whole was little too much. Had we kept a couple of those assets, the outlook of this team may be different now or at least the Knicks would have other options.

Also, last offseason I was very heart broken, I felt that there were some young players available for cheap that the Knicks should sign and try to develop and improve their value for future trades. Instead the Knicks started collecting players wayyyy past their prime with little value for most NBA teams and again are paying dearly for that.

like who, our focus was getting a reliable pg and retaining a few of our own players.Felton was essentially the best pg option available, nash was on top of the list.
I could understand that we are in win win situation And woodson obviously looked at the recipie for his detriot championship and thought veterns are the way to go

Sure that was the focus, thats why we end up with 9 new players on the roster and let our own point guard go.

As far as being in a Win situation, some of the best team in the NBA have young players in the roster, including the Spurs the team with the best record in the NBA. Did you check who's their starting point guard these days?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

After trading every single asset to get Melo, there was nothing major that the Knicks could have used to get Chris Paul, so he was never coming here, the Knicks over bid for Melo and are paying dearly for that.

Melo was impatient. He wanted to come here but he also wanted to gte his money before the lockout

I'm not the biggest Melo fan but you can't blame him for wanting to max the $ he's going to make. It's crazy to expect him to say no let me wait and potentially risk losing tons of $ under the new CBA. This is the same flawed logic in people saying that Lin should have somehow done something different other than seeing what the highest amount of $ he could get would be.

Players are supposed to try to get paid. Management is supposed to understand that and figure out how to build the best team with that in mind.

ppl alaways talk about we don't have pieces to make trades, yet we got rid of guys douglas, offensively challenge JJ to name a couple. TD's stock was so low i'm surprise anyone would want anything to do with him.

There are a few young good teams in the NBA that have great seasons and fall flat in the playoffs, and thats what the Knicks back office is looking at, along with woodson.

I still believe come playoffs these Veterens will turn it up if were healthy. We look like a half ass team in the preseason, then came roaring out of the gate with a sense of urgency

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

honest? who would you have acquired in summer of 2010? chris paul was still over a year away from being available so your hypothetical makes zero sense. are you advocating the brave route, meaning foregoing acquiring any free agent at all in the summer of 2010? if only that were tenable... but everyone understood that it was impossible.

once you commit to d'antoni you need to build a certain way. once you commit to stoudemire that way becomes perfectly clear: you acquire a piece that maximizes the talents of your most expensive asset, ie you acquire a point guard. felton was a two-year stopgap audition. purely second rate and a bench guy. there's no arguing this point anymore. it's plainly true.

dolan did the opposite: he traded for a player who had similar flaws, compounding an extant issue of poor passing and poor defending with the first most expensive player, stoudemire. worse still, they had no chemistry at all-- any decent basketball mind could see that a million miles away-- so, yeah, the melo trade is what damaged this team. you can't just stockpile talent you have to find the right talent, talent that fits and creates chemistry if not synergy. baseball you can do that because baseball is not a genuine team game.

his presence would be tolerable but certainly not ideal if he were a merely a free agent and it's only dolan who has to fork over the luxury dough if necessary.

you should consider letting go of making stoudemire the fall guy here. sure he is breaking down. but he was a calculated risk. the melo deal was not a calculated risk, it was a rash and impulsive mistake.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

honest? who would you have acquired in summer of 2010? chris paul was still over a year away from being available so your hypothetical makes zero sense. are you advocating the brave route, meaning foregoing acquiring any free agent at all in the summer of 2010? if only that were tenable... but everyone understood that it was impossible.

once you commit to d'antoni you need to build a certain way. once you commit to stoudemire that way becomes perfectly clear: you acquire a piece that maximizes the talents of your most expensive asset, ie you acquire a point guard. felton was a two-year stopgap audition. purely second rate and a bench guy. there's no arguing this point anymore. it's plainly true.

dolan did the opposite: he traded for a player who had similar flaws, compounding an extant issue of poor passing and poor defending with the first most expensive player, stoudemire. worse still, they had no chemistry at all-- any decent basketball mind could see that a million miles away-- so, yeah, the melo trade is what damaged this team. you can't just stockpile talent you have to find the right talent, talent that fits and creates chemistry if not synergy. baseball you can do that because baseball is not a genuine team game.

his presence would be tolerable but certainly not ideal if he were a merely a free agent and it's only dolan who has to fork over the luxury dough if necessary.

you should consider letting go of making stoudemire the fall guy here. sure he is breaking down. but he was a calculated risk. the melo deal was not a calculated risk, it was a rash and impulsive mistake.

That's where we differ..I was against MDA and Amare signing but that another conversation..So, let's say we didn't trade for Melo...We would still have who on this roster that would put us over the top instead of Melo???..Gallo????????..Keep in mind we were ready to let Will Chan walk because we could afford him..!?!?..Who would have been on this team pushing us deep in the playoffs????

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

He still preferred NY and on Dolan's part it was a business move. Yes the team got decimated but instead of thinking like a fan put yourself in both of their shoes. They wanted to make money in a business that puts making money before anything else.

then shame on both of them and pity on knick fans.

holfresh wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:The title of this thread is interesting...Most posters here seek "high character" guys like Lin, LeBron, DHow, Wade, Bosh etc...But of all those guys, Melo was the only honest guy with his own organization letting them know exactly his intentions in the off season, so they could get something in return...But his type of character isn't desirable..Go figure...

a contract is a contract. he fulfilled his contractual obligations-- almost.

he didn't care that he decimated the team he was going to.

he wanted his money and would have been okay playing anywhere as long as he was paid.

then dolan parlayed that honesty into this latest iteration of futility.

dolan and melo are soulmates. they bonded in las vegas.

and what goes on in vegas... stays in vegas.

If u want the be honest about the whole thing, it was a great trade for the Knicks...It's the Amare signing that has killed the Knicks..Do you deny if we some how swap out Amare with Chris Paul we would be challenging the Heat for the East or maybe for a Championship rings for years to come??

After trading every single asset to get Melo, there was nothing major that the Knicks could have used to get Chris Paul, so he was never coming here, the Knicks over bid for Melo and are paying dearly for that.

Not entirely correct ..We don't have the cap room to sign Chris Paul..I know it's easy to assign blame on Melo for most things that occur in Knickland but he shows up for the most part and plays well when healthy...He has clearly out performed the guys he was traded for..The problem is Amare..If we didn't make the trade, how would we be as a team with Gallo, and Felton??..Will just coming back from injury??..Amare out the last 2.5 years?? Lottery.??

I totally agree that STAT’s contract is killing our cap, I’m just explaining that just like Melo, Chris Paul was not coming to the Knicks unless you trade for him, and while Melo was the best player on the Denver deal, I had always believed that the package that we sent as a whole was little too much. Had we kept a couple of those assets, the outlook of this team may be different now or at least the Knicks would have other options.

Also, last offseason I was very heart broken, I felt that there were some young players available for cheap that the Knicks should sign and try to develop and improve their value for future trades. Instead the Knicks started collecting players wayyyy past their prime with little value for most NBA teams and again are paying dearly for that.

like who, our focus was getting a reliable pg and retaining a few of our own players.Felton was essentially the best pg option available, nash was on top of the list.
I could understand that we are in win win situation And woodson obviously looked at the recipie for his detriot championship and thought veterns are the way to go

Sure that was the focus, thats why we end up with 9 new players on the roster and let our own point guard go.

As far as being in a Win situation, some of the best team in the NBA have young players in the roster, including the Spurs the team with the best record in the NBA. Did you check who's their starting point guard these days?

He has a point, we also had JR walk on for free, who we still can't afford to pay his true value..The only guy I see us being able to retain is Wilson Chandler, maybe, at his salary and would that put us over the top??..We also have a lot of wasted money in Novak, Kidd, Camby,and KT...So you can also point to trade but I don't see who we could have retained that would have made a difference...

Like you say may be Wilson Chandler (who would probably be our 3rd or 4th best player today), may be Mozgov, had the Knicks kept him they probably wouldn’t have amnestied Billups for Chandler. Than retaining a huge expiring contract or salary cap for that summer, also we would have our amnestied provision to use on STAT right now.
See this is why is very important to retain your assets and don’t give them away so easily.