3G4G wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

dk7th wrote:but seriously the knicks are in trouble here. woodson is unimaginative and does not motivate anthony properly. and it will cost the knicks in the playoffs. melo is in limbo as a tweener because he doesn't rebound or defend effectively enough to make up for the volume shooting, low assists, and obscene usage rate relative to the assist rate of the team with him on the floor.

if woodson were coaching properly he would insist that melo put more energy into defending than scoring and insist that he move the ball even if he has an open shot.

Woodson's motivated Carmelo Anthony enough to not only lead the entire league in scoring but also rank 3rd in MVP voting behind only LeBron and Durant. Melo's been motivated enough to lead a team that's been hit with injury after injury to the 5th strongest record in all of basketball, 2nd seed of the Entire Eastern Conference and 1st place of our Atlantic Division ala something in which we haven't won dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years ago).

And it's funny how you oh so love your Danilo Gallinari of the Nuggets but yet harp all over Melo's rebound/assist numbers?

Melo:: 29.0 points, 6.4 boards & 2.8 assists per game. FG Percentage of .454%. 3PT Shooting Percentage of .411%. Player Efficiency Rating of 24.55.
Gallo: 17.2 points, 5.5 boards & 2.4 assists per game. FG Percentage of .424%. 3PT Shooting Percentage of .372%. Player Efficiency Rating of 17.26.

Not turning this into yet another Mello vs. an overrated Gallo thread, just pointing how much of a little hypocritical hypocrite you've always been in regards to Carmelo Anthony.

Why bring Galo up? He is not in the same breathe as Melo to constantly bring him up is an insult.

This is what happens when such arguments sit on a foundation of sand. This is his crutch so-to-speak

Melo leads our Knicks in minutes, points and free throws attempted per game, while also leading our team in Player Efficiency rating. He's also ranked 2nd in team boards off the glass (rebounds) and 2nd in Field Goal Percentage (amongst starters). There is no question in regards to wish player is our team leader and/or franchise player.

So with all that stated, nah son, I rather use....

Melo leading our Knicks to the 5th strongest record in all of basketball.
Melo leading our Knicks as the 2nd seed of the entire Eastern Conference.
Melo leading our Knicks as we're first place of our Atlantic Division ala something in which we haven't won dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years).

While leading the entire league in scoring, and only behind both LeBron James and Kevin Durant in regards to the leagues MVP race as "my clutch".

Carmelo Anthony's done all of the above, during only his first (full) season as a Knick.

dk7th wrote: you are attached to stats that i really don't care about.

No, these stats just don't fit your laughable agenda against Carmelo.

I posted stats in regards to points, boards and assists per game. Field Goal Percentage along with 3PT Shooting Percentage. Melo just happens to have Gallo beat during all of the above. Doesn't happen to fit your little agenda against Carmelo Anthony, now does it?

If it's true (which it's not because you're a liar) that you don't care about these stats above? Well, then, guess what? I better never, ever, ever see you mention any Knick player (ever again) in regards to points, rebounds and assists per game and/or Field Goal Percentage(s). If so, if you ever do? I'll be sure to quote your above statement/remark/lie/post of "you are attached to stats that i really don't care about".

dk7th wrote: i use different stats from you because i have a different understanding of the game and what it takes to be a successful player.

Really? You know what it takes to be a successful player as if Melo nor even myself personally doesn't? Nice to know.

Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (2003).
Big East Rookie of the Year (2003).
NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player (2003).
NCAA champion (2003).
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004).
NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005).
FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2006).
4× All-NBA Third Team.
All-NBA Second Team (2010).
6× NBA All-Star.
2x American Gold Medalist Olympian.

What has your favorite Wilson Chandler and/or Danilo Gallinari ever done in which points to the beings of a "successful player". Laughing at you so hard son.

3G4G wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Lebron is playing ridiculous and even with that, I think because he is in Miami, its getting overlooked. Imagine if he was in NYC? His brand would be worth a Billion dollars! I think he made a big financial mistake in going to Miami. He would have won in NY too because he is that good. What he is missing is that notoriety that NYC would have given him. There is nothing like being a winner in NY

There is some truth to this but then again there isn't...When Lebron won last year he was automatically catapulted in the great as/could be greater than Jordan discussion by all in the media. That's simply with 1 chip(he's responsible for) in crappy Miami.

Right On Cue and So It Continues....

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8940635

Rashad McCants

Marvin Williams

Sean May

Tyler Hansbrough

Danny Green

Wayne Ellington

Ed Davis

They all have a NCAA chip too...hmmmmmmmm

knickscity wrote:NYK i see you are putting up a valiant fight, but all those accolades mean nothing to the Knicks.

melo and the team has to do it in a Knicks uniform, we are all waiting for that.

It's true, but then again this thread was in regards to Melo and his MVP status as a player.

This has only been Carmelo's first (full) season as a Knick. I loved Ewing with everything I had during my childhood years. I know a great Knick when I see one and/or watch one on a nightly basis. Had three jerseys during the 90's. Starks, Oakley and Ewing. Loved the overall toughness, heart and pride on the defensive end of the court in Starks. Respected and appreciated Oakley's junk yard dog type of mentality. But never once enjoyed a Knick as much as I did Patrick Ewing. Until Carmelo Anthony arrived that is.

I would have hated to read these boards after Ewing missed a should have been make against the Pacers as our Knicks were eliminated. Ewing would have been made out to be a career loser around here. Ewing (like Melo) would have been made out to be some type of 3rd tier NBA player due to the likes of Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon being stronger/greater players (think LeBron and possibly Durant). If these Knick forums were around during the early/mid 90's? Starks would've been made out to be a hot headed chucker such as J.R and Ewing would've been made out to be a 3rd tier player due to not being greater than the greatest basketball talent in the entire world (MJ23). But then, that's the difference of Madison Square Garden faithful who chant M.V.P in regards to Melo on a nightly basis and/or the heart of our Knicks fan base who appreciates our greatest Knick talent dating back to Ewing when compared to some of these posters who harp and attack behind a key board, computer and message board. We appreciate greatness when we see it.

In closing (about to pull for Portland over Miami) I waited patiently for 15 years for our Knicks to win a championship under #33. And it never happened. But that still doesn't change the fact that I still consider Patrick Ewing the greatest Knick of all-time. Which doesn't change the fact that Melo's the greatest Knick that our fan base and/or franchise has featured since Ewing. I will remain patient under Melo's greatness as I did with Ewing. Melo may not have 15 years remaining, but he's enjoying his prime/golden years as of right now. The greatest he's ever been overall. As much as I loved Ewing, he only led us to three Atlantic Division Titles and under the Ewing era, we only headed into the postseason as a 1-2 seed three times. So, as you can see, it was more than just Michael Jordan and the Bulls who held us back. We rarely ever won our own Atlantic Division and/or entered the postseason with ideal seeding (1/2). Which ended up hurting us come postseason play.

Ewing could only manage and/or lead us as 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 8th & 8th seeds heading into our postseason wars. But yet, Melo's on the verge of leading us to a 1/2 seed along with an Atlantic Division title during only his first (full) season as a Knick.

NYKMentality wrote:

knickscity wrote:NYK i see you are putting up a valiant fight, but all those accolades mean nothing to the Knicks.

melo and the team has to do it in a Knicks uniform, we are all waiting for that.

It's true, but then again this thread was in regards to Melo and his MVP status as a player.

This has only been Carmelo's first (full) season as a Knick. I loved Ewing with everything I had during my childhood years. I know a great Knick when I see one and/or watch one on a nightly basis. Had three jerseys during the 90's. Starks, Oakley and Ewing. Loved the overall toughness, heart and pride on the defensive end of the court in Starks. Respected and appreciated Oakley's junk yard dog type of mentality. But never once enjoyed a Knick as much as I did Patrick Ewing. Until Carmelo Anthony arrived that is.

I would have hated to read these boards after Ewing missed a should have been make against the Pacers as our Knicks were eliminated. Ewing would have been made out to be a career loser around here. Ewing (like Melo) would have been made out to be some type of 3rd tier NBA player due to the likes of Michael Jordan and Hakeem Olajuwon being stronger/greater players (think LeBron and possibly Durant). If these Knick forums were around during the early/mid 90's? Starks would've been made out to be a hot headed chucker such as J.R and Ewing would've been made out to be a 3rd tier player due to not being greater than the greatest basketball talent in the entire world (MJ23). But then, that's the difference of Madison Square Garden faithful who chant M.V.P in regards to Melo on a nightly basis and/or the heart of our Knicks fan base who appreciates our greatest Knick talent dating back to Ewing when compared to some of these posters who harp and attack behind a key board, computer and message board. We appreciate greatness when we see it.

In closing (about to pull for Portland over Miami) I waited patiently for 15 years for our Knicks to win a championship under #33. And it never happened. But that still doesn't change the fact that I still consider Patrick Ewing the greatest Knick of all-time. Which doesn't change the fact that Melo's the greatest Knick that our fan base and/or franchise has featured since Ewing. I will remain patient under Melo's greatness as I did with Ewing. Melo may not have 15 years remaining, but he's enjoying his prime/golden years as of right now. The greatest he's ever been overall. As much as I loved Ewing, he only led us to three Atlantic Division Titles and under the Ewing era, we only headed into the postseason as a 1-2 seed three times. So, as you can see, it was more than just Michael Jordan and the Bulls who held us back. We rarely ever won our own Atlantic Division and/or entered the postseason with ideal seeding (1/2). Which ended up hurting us come postseason play.

Ewing could only manage and/or lead us as 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 8th & 8th seeds heading into our postseason wars. But yet, Melo's on the verge of leading us to a 1/2 seed along with an Atlantic Division title during only his first (full) season as a Knick.

Please, stop putting MElo and Ewing in the breath. They don't belong the same club. Ewing in one of the 50 greatest to ever play the game while MElo will not be remembered longer than Glen Robinson.

raven wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

dk7th wrote:but seriously the knicks are in trouble here. woodson is unimaginative and does not motivate anthony properly. and it will cost the knicks in the playoffs. melo is in limbo as a tweener because he doesn't rebound or defend effectively enough to make up for the volume shooting, low assists, and obscene usage rate relative to the assist rate of the team with him on the floor.

if woodson were coaching properly he would insist that melo put more energy into defending than scoring and insist that he move the ball even if he has an open shot.

Woodson's motivated Carmelo Anthony enough to not only lead the entire league in scoring but also rank 3rd in MVP voting behind only LeBron and Durant. Melo's been motivated enough to lead a team that's been hit with injury after injury to the 5th strongest record in all of basketball, 2nd seed of the Entire Eastern Conference and 1st place of our Atlantic Division ala something in which we haven't won dating back to 1993-1994 (19 years ago).

And it's funny how you oh so love your Danilo Gallinari of the Nuggets but yet harp all over Melo's rebound/assist numbers?

Melo:: 29.0 points, 6.4 boards & 2.8 assists per game. FG Percentage of .454%. 3PT Shooting Percentage of .411%. Player Efficiency Rating of 24.55.
Gallo: 17.2 points, 5.5 boards & 2.4 assists per game. FG Percentage of .424%. 3PT Shooting Percentage of .372%. Player Efficiency Rating of 17.26.

Not turning this into yet another Mello vs. an overrated Gallo thread, just pointing how much of a little hypocritical hypocrite you've always been in regards to Carmelo Anthony.

OK, I'll bite: http://www.denverstiffs.com/2013/1/12/3866818/inside-the-numbers-danilo-gallinari-denver-nuggets

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If we look at Gallinari's RAPM over this year in comparison with other players in the league, Gallinari ranks a +1.7 offensively and a -1.5 defensively for a total of 3.2 (courtesy of http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/). That ranks 29th in the entire NBA! And if you factor in wings only, here's how he ranks:

Lebron James 7.7
Manu Ginobili 5.7
Kevin Durant 5.3
Andre Iguodala 4.1
James Harden 4
Dwayne Wade 3.8
Danilo Gallinari 3.2
Kobe Bryant 2.9
Tony Allen 2.8
Carmelo Anthony 2.7
Joe Johnson 2.6
Paul George 2.2

Not only is Gallo sandwiched between some serious star power, but he happens to be one of the least expensive players of this bunch. Now this does not mean Gallo is better than Kobe or Melo, but it does show that perhaps Gallinari is more valuable than his bulk stats would lead us to believe. What sticks out here is that Danilo is the only player that's equally positive on defense and offense, which is probably the reason he gets underrated. Players are typically lauded for being excellent offensively (Melo) or defensively (Tony Allen), but rarely is a player who's simply "good" at everything appreciated to the extent they should (Nene anyone?).

So that's why I like Gallo so much. He's a good offensive player, good defensive player, has no real weaknesses, is versatile, young, and relatively inexpensive when compared to players of similar position and equal production.

Not bad for a guy who was just a piece (albeit the cornerstone) of the package the Nuggets received for Melo.

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So, even if there should be no business talking about Gallo here, I'd kindly invite you to go at Denver Stiffs and ask them whether they'd like to get Melo back for Gallo and change. You'd be surprised how few of them miss MElo and his inefficient chucking playstyle.

You're just comparing apple and oranges here:

Danilo Gallinari----------$9,439,000-----$10,146,925-----$10,854,850-----$11,559,225
Carmelo Anthony------$20,463,024-----$22,407,474-----$24,351,924

Not only is Gallo a better value but he is 50 times more fun to watch on the hardwoods

dk7th wrote:i'll never forget the title year the lakers had when bryant faced the magic. mark jackson was broadcasting then and he was emphatic about what he was seeing: he said that when bryant balanced facilitating with scoring the lakers could not fail. put another way, when bryant managed to play FOR others over and above playing WITH others the lakers had to succeed.

woodson cannot regress back to "iso joe-ing" with this team. it has proven to fail beyond the first round which is a meaningless round anyway.

i really believe that woodson has to get melo to play a complete game the way bryant did his mvp season.

the questions are: is melo capable and is there time to get him there?

IronWillGiroud wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:Not only is Gallo a better value but he is 50 times more fun to watch on the hardwoods

Thats a matter of opinion

It's not, 10 out of 10 basketball fans will tell you that watching solid team ball is more fun that ISO offense

They do not play solid team ball, they are a laughing stock joke of a defense ranking 24th in points allowed.

Also, watching our Knicks go 66-91 during games in which Danilo Gallinari played wasn't fun basketball whatsoever. He's a flopper with no leadership ability of any kind.

Gallo can't handle pressure either. Gallo is single handedly responsible for Denver being eliminated during the first round last season. During a game 7 he decides to go 1/9 from the field with only 3 points? Only 3 boards and 4 costly turnovers?

The opposite of Melo, which means he's the opposite of clutch. He actually eliminated his own team from the postseason during a game 7 due to laughing stock basketball last year going 1/9 with only 3 points and 4 turnovers.

Gallo also fell flat on his face during the first round of 2010-2011. Games of 3/8 with only 7 points? But wait, it gets better. Another joke of a game going 1/6 with only 6 points?

Just an overall awful player once the going gets tough. No wonder why he flops so often, because he can't handle the pressure. He doesn't know what else to do against pressure, so he flops like a soccer player.

But yea... You're not even a Knicks fan. Not sure why we bother responding to your troll post's. You're nothing more than a Melo/Knicks troll (with an agenda) who's favorite teams include the Lakers with Mike D'Antoni, the Timberwolves and Pekovic along with the Nuggets and Gallo. You root for the Knicks to lose to your beloved teams, despite the fact we're in a race against Miami for the #1 seed.

IronWillGiroud wrote: This is a tough game for me, personally, because it's one of the few games in the season that I'm torn between rooting for the Knicks or the other team, Gonna have to be Minny tonight, sorry gang. The other games are against Denver and Lakers. I'm a big fan of Pekovic.

How can something be so sad, pathetic but yet so laughable at the same time? Last but not least, you do know that Gallo is nothing more than an injury prone player who breaks down under pressure, right? It's funny, because he's missed 97 games since being drafted due to injury. Melo's been in the league for 10 years while averaging 36.3 minutes per game with only 83 games missed due to injury. But yet Gallo's only been in the league for 4 years with 97 games missed? To make it worse while only averaging 31.4 minutes per game? Injury prone as they've ever came. And where was Gallo last night? You guess it. Inactive due to being (once again) hurt. As usual.