knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Knicks wall suggesting Dudley and a 1st for Shump.

Knicks wall is uninformed, we can't trade a 1st.

Phoenix would be sending the pick.

Damn, reading comprehension, Why would PHX do that? They have possibly two lotto picks coming up.

Phx would do it to

a) Pay Shump rookie salary instead of whatever Dudley is making
b) See if Shump pans out in which case they have his Bird Rights
c) Most importantly they get the certainty of a young prospect in Shump vs. risking having a high pick in what they MIGHT see as a weak draft. A pick that could end up being a bust.

Basically gambling that Shump > High pick in this year or whatever years draft if they protect the pick

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn
“@Success15Life: @alanhahn your thoughts on Jared Dudley to the Knicks?” #Knicks
Answer: need more foot soldier-types, but at what cost? Not sure.

Alan Hahn ‏@alanhahn
Be sure to read rumors carefully. When someone SUGGESTS who a team could offer for a player, it doesn't mean that's who is being offered.

In other words don't automatically assume Shumpert. I hope Alan is right!

again the Knicks would be out of their minds if they didnt trade Shumpert for Dudley--Dudley is perfect fro this team. I doubt HIGHLY doubt the Knicks could get more. We need to improve there is no doubt about that. Shumperts potential is not enough to not try and improve.

How is Dudley the perfect fit, i've yet to hear anyone state how this is true.

I'd rather have d wade:)but in the reality a quality spot up shooter who can rebound defend And pAss the ball. A guy who is consistent blends plays hard plays well we know whAt we're going to get good age etc. we would get a lot

Still not sold on a Shump for Dudley deal but it would have to be strongly considered. We'd have shooters all over the place at all times.

I acknowledge trading him is a risk to an extent, but when looking at Shump you have to think about what his ceiling is. I don’t think its too hard to say he will never reach the level of James Harden or Paul George, the two preeminent shooting guards when talking about the position going forward. Other young two’s I would put ahead of Shump include Klay Thompson, Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo plus potentially Terrence Ross., Jeremy Lamb or Jimmy Butler.

That is not an untouchable piece for a player who could fit in seamlessly and make the Knicks better this season. Dudley knows what he is good at, does it, and won’t try to be what he’s not.

http://theknickswall.com/2013/02/09/knicks-trade-dudley-even-costs-shumpert/

Pretty good starting 5.

Rasheed
Amare
JR
Kidd
Priggy

Great bench.

Maybe we could trade Camby and he retires or get's brought out.

gunsnewing wrote:Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Source says the New York Knicks have some interest in Jared Dudley. No word on who they would offer or if talks have taken place.

Goodbye Shumpert? Winds up in PHX afterall? Knicks will not have patience with Shumpert. We talking New York Knicks here.

Don't know how reliable this source is but usually where there's smoke there's fire. He starts in place of Shump or Kidd? Or gives us more scoring depth off the bench when Amare starts?

Good 3pt shooter at 39%
48% from the field

Shump is far from form. He is coming off of an ACL. I think he will turn the corner probably in a few weeks. Dudley would be a good pick up for Novak and 2nd rounder. I am really disappointed with Novak this season. He plays so scared.

MSG3 wrote:I'd think long and hard on this deal. Dudley fills a big need. Shump has a high ceiling but the Knicks have a 2 season window. If Shump is being shopped you'd hope Knicks could get a better player, but if not, I think Dudley plus a pick or maybe Kendall Marshall might sell me. It would be tough though. If Shump can get to a place where he trusts his knee he'd be vital to us.

Highly doubt the Knicks get Dudley and a 1st Rd pick for Shumpert. Knicks don't trade for picks. It would be a first

Chances are it is the other way around Shumpert + multiple 1st Rd picks

callmened wrote:my MAIN reasons for not trading shump for dudley are:

1. it doesnt solve any of our MAIN problems like rebounding and perimeter def
2. team chemistry = i dont wanna rock the boat. this team is FINALLY starting to settle in
3. shumpert is still young and can recover from his ACL injury

im not saying dudley is a bad player or bad fit...but i dont wanna be impatient...this team needs some size. but be patient camby will come back soon and hopefully sheed. if not sheed then i think well add kmart. luckily theres time to rest during the allstar break and the schedule is easy for feb

This.

If anything we should be trading for a younger athletic big

Shumpert, J.R and Brewer are three very strong perimeter defenders but Shumpert himself, without question, has the ability/potential and overall talents to become a great perimeter defender in the mold of old school types such as Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier and/or current lockdown perimeter defenders such as Mike Conley and Tony Allen. Iman Shumpert has the potential to become the heart and soul of our fan base due to his love for the defensive end of the court (Starks). And I'm not ready to quit on that. This kid can become a New York star.

Shumpert's athletic ability can potentially develop into a strong offensive player, but regardless, his love for defense is something very special. Heart, fight, guys, soul, no quit type of personality when Shump's fighting on the defensive end. Plays defense with so much pride. Mysellf personally, I'm not ready to quit on this kids potential defensive greatness. Not after A.) He made a name for himself as a top 5 perimeter defender during only his rookie season last year and B.) Missed our entire offseason, preseason along with 37 regular season games as he worked hard as ever to recover from injury.

The last time I can remember (as a fan base) we've patiently waited for Shump's return to our Knicks dating back to Shumperts injury. But yet not even 15 games into the season we're talking about trading Shumpert after only 11 games? That ain't me.

Give Shumpert another 34 regular season games, a boat load of practice along with another 2 months/5 days before the end of the regular season as Shumpert continues to recover and/or regain form from injury, and watch out. Because this kid can impact come postseason play.

NYKMentality wrote:No way am I even willing to give up Steve Novak. Come postseason play, this man can become down right deadly being surrounded by the likes of Felton, J.R, Melo, Stoudemire and Chandler. Which wasn't the case last season where Miami could focus on Novak due to lack of overall ability/talent. Novak has came out of nowhere and emerged into one of the greatest pure shooting three point shooters in the game today. Led the entire league in 3PT shooting percentage last season and also ranks top 5 (4th) only behind the likes of Martin, Curry and Kover and ahead of Ray Allen, Durant, Mike Dunleavy etc, etc.

His three point shooting percentage as of right now? .441%. Reggie Miller was a career .395 shooter from beyond the arc while Bird had a career three point shooting percentage of .376. Not comparing Novak as an overall player to all-time greats but when in regards to shooting? He's as great as they come as a pure shooter. Can change the momentum of a ball game in an instant coming off the bench. .472 and .441 over the past two seasons? It's no longer a fluke, Novak is a special shooter and come postseason play, when opposing defenses are focused on the likes of Felton, J.R Smith (who LOVES Novak), Melo, Stoudemire etc, etc... Novak can get wet and bury teams with his shooting.

Novak is 7th on our team in minutes per game behind Melo, Felton, J.R, Tyson, Kidd and Amar'e. He's more important to our success than people give him credit for. Just having Novak roam the perimeter looking to get off, opens up the entire floor for Melo and Amar'e. Defenses will not leave Novak open. Which opens up our offense for our stars and/or PG's. His defense and rebounding is an issue, but come postseason play? I can't wait for M.S.G to explode as Novak drains momentum changing money balls.

It's just a hunch, but I believe Novak emerges come postseason play here in 2012-2013. I'm not willing to trade one of the NBA's greatest pure shooters.

Go back and look at Novak last playoffs---nothing