tkf wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

we gave up good young talent and future picks and cap space for an overrated scorer... period.. stop trying to mitigate that mess of a trade by knocking what we gave up.. jeez

amare I have no problem with, he didn't cost us any picks or players, he was great when he got here, we took a risk, I liked lee a lot, but we then started compounding errors after the carmelo trade.. had we just been patient, heck we could have used the amnesty on amare and continue to build young with our kids and picks... heck we could have been a player when harden became available...

we have this old team because we wanted to maker sure carmelo was happy and got his shots.. we are now the "old" denver nuggets... smh

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, is a pipe dream. It started with the love fest with leBron , we gave up Zach, Crawford, and Lee. with the dream and thought we had a chance with LeBron. Well we didn't. What we gave up to get LeBrom was a bigger Loss then what we gave up for Melo. At least we got Melo but for Zach, Crawford, Lee, we got nothing. New York is a Pressure cooker and a lot of guys doing well on other teams can't handle New york.I doubt if LeBron could. What ever you think of Melo and I know you don't like him but without him we go no where. The players we gave up was nothing to brag about. But just imagin Zach Randolp playing along side with Melo.

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

a boatload of money got us amare, money got felton, money and stupidity got us carmelo, money got JR and money sure as hell got us tyson chandler.. a 3 year deal and money got us kidd, a ridiculous trade got us camby....

TKF why in the hell are you a Knicks Fan??? Or are you? You hate the team players you mentioned you hate the owner. Why don't you just go be a Denver fan? Jump the ship. I read some of your posts and its a hate thing with you. You really don't like the Knicks so just admit it. You are not a New York Knicks Fan. You hate the Knicks. ADMIT IT !!

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Wilson Chandler is permanently injured. We got Felton back. Only players we gave away were Gallo and Mosgov- I don't get this thread at all.

Without signing Amar'e and letting Lee go, Melo and Tyson wouldn't of signed with us (or Kidd or Sheed etc)- that is a fact that they have both stated.

People will ignore this just like they ignore that, despite having a lot of injuries and melo is still playing hurt along with brewer and that amare is working himself back, that we are 1 game behind Miami. These lineups are not close to what we will see down the stretch. This is really weak, we go through a rough stretch and the melo trade is coming back to bite us???

Again only players we lost is an inconsistent gallo, moz, and chandler who haven't seen the court this year! We have our draft pick this year, so we will add another player. Like I said, both of our starting guards are out right now ... I just don't see the big deal.

But I'll make sure to bookmark this for later. Enjoy!

I am all for Melo over all those guys but the issue is that we gave up all flexibility and assets for 1 player and it hurt us in the long run. Need to win the chip this year because who knows where Dolan will take this team in 2yrs

What assets??? That's the problem... A lot of posters throw around assets and flexibility but look at this from a business standpoint. Is moz tradeable? What can you get for gallo? Right now no one is trading for chandler. So what assets? Flexibility? We let those players go to get a star just to be in this position again signing a max player. Not to mention you don't get Tyson Chandler or Jr.

Also the reason for JR signing for less this year was so we can hold his rights. Jr will be here, please read what he says ... Money is not that important ... He's finally playing for a coach and team he loves.

Melo and chandler both have another good 5-6 years
Shump looks like he's recovering well
Felton is only 28!
We have our pick this year (but who really cares the upcoming drafts are weak unless u in the top 5/10)

The problem is Amare only because he's not playing no where near his contract. Instead of using the amnesty on billups, should've been amare, sign chandler still and have billups coming off the books which would've allowed us to sign 2-3 nice pieces.

Also agree we shouldn't let Lin walk, but everybody is blaming the melo trade when actually that was the right move.

trading for carmelo was not the right move...

OK! It's done and he is here! So what are you going to do about it??

gunsnewing wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Yeah the Melo trade is killing us. We're 23-12 #2 in the Eastern Conference, 1 game behind the #1 and defending NBA Champion Miami Heat with a team that hasn't been at 100% at any point during the year. We're in a bit of a funk right now but it happens every year to every team at some point in the season. S

Shocking that during a rough stretch that people on this board overreact and start pining for players that have long since departed and start dreaming of BS scenarios where we could have a Knicks fans dream team.

I'm out until we start a new winning streak and people start complaining that we aren't winning pretty enough!

23-13 with Indy, Chicago, Brooklyn and Boston right on our tail with Rose and Granger not having played a game yet

Dude, chill out. I say that with respect, because I do think that even tho you are overly negative, you are well-meaning and reasonable, and a true knick fan. Some of the other guys around here are beyond help.

Cash said it right. its a funk, and a reasonable one. Is the only way you can be positive about the season is if we have a team consisting of CP3, Lebron, Melo, Love, and dwight howard, going 81-1 without an issue all the way to a chip? Grow a spine, goddammit.

sebstar wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Yeah the Melo trade is killing us. We're 23-12 #2 in the Eastern Conference, 1 game behind the #1 and defending NBA Champion Miami Heat with a team that hasn't been at 100% at any point during the year. We're in a bit of a funk right now but it happens every year to every team at some point in the season. S

Shocking that during a rough stretch that people on this board overreact and start pining for players that have long since departed and start dreaming of BS scenarios where we could have a Knicks fans dream team.

I'm out until we start a new winning streak and people start complaining that we aren't winning pretty enough!

23-13 with Indy, Chicago, Brooklyn and Boston right on our tail with Rose and Granger not having played a game yet

Dude, chill out. I say that with respect, because I do think that even tho you are overly negative, you are well-meaning and reasonable, and a true knick fan. Some of the other guys around here are beyond help.

Cash said it right. its a funk, and a reasonable one. Is the only way you can be positive about the season is if we have a team consisting of CP3, Lebron, Melo, Love, and dwight howard, going 81-1 without an issue all the way to a chip? Grow a spine, goddammit.

Thanks man! Much better than being called a hater even though I praise the team when things go well. No question we are in a funk and not this bad nor were we as good as 19-5. As a fan who stuck with the team through all the dismal years I really hope we win it all this year. We have a chance if we are healthy in April that's all I could ask for. This is our year unless Shump turns into Spree/Wade and we steal a player with a late first round pick if not then the future is very bleek

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

a boatload of money got us amare, money got felton, money and stupidity got us carmelo, money got JR and money sure as hell got us tyson chandler.. a 3 year deal and money got us kidd, a ridiculous trade got us camby....

Papabear Says

TKF why in the hell are you a Knicks Fan??? Or are you? You hate the team players you mentioned you hate the owner. Why don't you just go be a Denver fan? Jump the ship. I read some of your posts and its a hate thing with you. You really don't like the Knicks so just admit it. You are not a New York Knicks Fan. You hate the Knicks. ADMIT IT !!

why are you a knicks fan? or are you? start with the owner on down.. you defend this team at all cost.... you like herb williams, dolan? all the trades? salary position.... future outlook? break it down for me...

lots of battered-wife syndromers is how you break it down. ironic that dolan runs things and yet he is so obviously a milquetoast, but when you have money it can insulate you from personal defects. dolan is not interested in winning he is interested in putting asses in seats regardless of the actual quality of the team. he also loves stars. and he surrounds himself with yes-men. dolan always finds a way to alienate or force away good people.

the fish rots from the head down.

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

a boatload of money got us amare, money got felton, money and stupidity got us carmelo, money got JR and money sure as hell got us tyson chandler.. a 3 year deal and money got us kidd, a ridiculous trade got us camby....

Papabear Says

TKF why in the hell are you a Knicks Fan??? Or are you? You hate the team players you mentioned you hate the owner. Why don't you just go be a Denver fan? Jump the ship. I read some of your posts and its a hate thing with you. You really don't like the Knicks so just admit it. You are not a New York Knicks Fan. You hate the Knicks. ADMIT IT !!

why are you a knicks fan? or are you? start with the owner on down.. you defend this team at all cost.... you like herb williams, dolan? all the trades? salary position.... future outlook? break it down for me...

WHAT IS A FAN ?
1 A fan is a person a roots for his team weather win or loose
2 A fan is a person who may not like bad players on the team but root for them anyway
3 A fan defends his team from negitive points of views from trolls and haters
4 A fan supports his team by going to some games
5 A fan always try to give an upbeat prospective about his team. but some negative views
6 A fan will go to a game even if he has to wear a bag over his head to root when last place
7 A fan may disagree with trades and be upset but will root for his team no matter what
8 A fan always have hope that one day we win a championship
9 A fan supports the players on his team and if he has a beef he gets over it and moves on.
10 A fan may not like a certain player on the team but he still pulls for him and root for his success.

TKF YOU ARE NOT A KNICKS FAN. I LOVED THE TEAM THROUGH ZEKE, WALSH, EWING,FRAIZER, THE GOOD AND BAD

THAT'S WHAT A FAN IS. AT TIMES I MAY THINK THEY STINK BUT THEY ARE MY STINK GUYS. I ROOT FOR THEM EVERY GAME. I AM A TRUE KNICKS FAN.

cooch2584 wrote:And AGAIN I call out the Melo trade haters and I get no response. AGAIN,HATERS, you come up with all the trades that you think were made wrong and tell us all what our team would look like RIGHT NOW. Or is that asking too much from a small bunch of yous that keep saying,we shoulda done this,coulda done that,woulda never done this. IM CALLING OUT THE HATERS RIGHT NOW. Sorry Martin and Andrew but this is getting to the point that these guys HATE but dont back up their hate with facts.We all know dolan and its his team and he does what he wants and we all dont agree with SOME things hes done so haters if you were dolan what would have you done different?

Maybe if you stop generalizing and calling everyone a Melo trade hater they might respond, maybe, not sure, good luck