gunsnewing wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:This thread is funny. I'm calling Amare out on twitter...That whole thing is new to me but I think he has his page on private.

probably after he called that critical fan a f-g

I guess if you hashtag everyone can see it....#cmonson

damn...I really need to step my internet game up

nixluva wrote:I repeat:

2002-03 camp was with Frank Johnson 
2003-04 camp was with Frank Johnson
2004-05 camp was with D'Antoni's with Marc Ivaroni defensive assistant
2005-06 Amar'e had his surgery and missed most of the season  
2006-07 camp was with MDA and Dan D'Antoni
2007-08 camp was with MDA and Dan
2008-09 camp was with Terry Porter
2009-10 camp was with Alvin Gentry
2010-11 camp was with MDA and Dan
2011-12 camp was with MDA and Woody
2012-13 camp was with Woody

There is no way in HELL that Amar'e was NEVER tought defense. Not even as a rookie? Never after coaches noticed him missing defensive assignments practice after practice and game after game? Not even after Terry Porter was brought in to FOCUS on defense? Not even after Gentry supposedly helped get him to focus on D and he was praised for it? Not even after MDA had fights with him about not defending, which led to them having to have a sitdown to smooth things out when he came to New York? Not even when Woody was brought in to help and was running the defensive drills in practice last year and surely went over things this year? How about those sessions with Hakeem which featured defensive training? B.S.

People just want to kick dirt on MDA and this is one of the ways they get to do it again. Steven A Smith was fully believing MDA was the reason on the radio today. It's just purely ridiculous to think all of those coaches and he never once had someone go over defense with him at all, despite him CLEARLY being awful at defense! If you and I can see how bad STAT has been on D, there's no way a coach wouldn't see it and also talk to him about it.

Also MDA's defense is pretty much exactly the same as Woody's at the base level. The only difference was the fact that Woody said he liked to trap more. Overall tho last year MDA stated clearly before camp that they would be using his defense and even when Woody took over the schemes were the same only the EFFORT level changed. It's ridiculous to think that MDA could win 62 games and have NO defensive scheme. That's impossible. If he really ignored D, those teams would've been at the bottom of the league on D and not middle of the league as they were. My contention is that if Amar'e was actually a good defensive anchor then those teams would've been much better defensively as they were last year under MDA with Tyson and Jared in there.

Your posts are fortressed around protecting D'AnToni. It really takes all the sail out of the points you're trying to make.

This isn't about D'AnToni it's about Amar'e and his career of underachieving/slacking off/scapegoating/accepting no accountability for his shortcomings as a player. Which speaks of zero leadership and another one of the Funny Style Crew we have associated with this team. It's the very reason Melo came here and took the team right away from him with zero resistance. Melo walked all over him. No I'm not bashing Melo...Melo did what he felt he had to do to take control of this team but we hear a lot of this pride Amar'e has.... well where is it when it comes to being a true presence? He pouted in Phx because Nash got the glory, he pouted when they traded for Shaq, he called out the young players here amidst all the trades rumors. This guy is a joke and I can't stand him anymore.

For the record Nixluva

Eddie House was on First Take 3 weeks ago and flat out said D'AnToni thinks defense is important but doesn't spend enough time or give enough attention to detail on it. He even stated he played his best basketball under D'AnToni so he has no reason to pile on him as a player but he was asked pinpointed questions about practice and film study and House said there is no comparison to Pat Riley/Doc Rivers he said absolutely none when it comes to preparation. Offense first defense second and he said the time spent on both there was a huge gap.

So please stop coming into the thread like a knight in shining armor taking beef with Amar'e only because it appears he's taking a dump on your boy who mind you is no longer coaching this team. There is no reason for you to have your anchor tied to D'AnToni NONE AT ALL.

Back to Amar'e this dude is a complete joke of a player once again. Not only have I've never been endeared to him as a player and his cap killing salary, but he's really gone sideways since his arrival here with not stepping up and leading and being a complete professional from top to bottom. I mean how many more people affiliated with this organization past and present is he going to throw under the bus in efforts to protect himself?

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:I repeat:

2002-03 camp was with Frank Johnson 
2003-04 camp was with Frank Johnson
2004-05 camp was with D'Antoni's with Marc Ivaroni defensive assistant
2005-06 Amar'e had his surgery and missed most of the season  
2006-07 camp was with MDA and Dan D'Antoni
2007-08 camp was with MDA and Dan
2008-09 camp was with Terry Porter
2009-10 camp was with Alvin Gentry
2010-11 camp was with MDA and Dan
2011-12 camp was with MDA and Woody
2012-13 camp was with Woody

There is no way in HELL that Amar'e was NEVER tought defense. Not even as a rookie? Never after coaches noticed him missing defensive assignments practice after practice and game after game? Not even after Terry Porter was brought in to FOCUS on defense? Not even after Gentry supposedly helped get him to focus on D and he was praised for it? Not even after MDA had fights with him about not defending, which led to them having to have a sitdown to smooth things out when he came to New York? Not even when Woody was brought in to help and was running the defensive drills in practice last year and surely went over things this year? How about those sessions with Hakeem which featured defensive training? B.S.

People just want to kick dirt on MDA and this is one of the ways they get to do it again. Steven A Smith was fully believing MDA was the reason on the radio today. It's just purely ridiculous to think all of those coaches and he never once had someone go over defense with him at all, despite him CLEARLY being awful at defense! If you and I can see how bad STAT has been on D, there's no way a coach wouldn't see it and also talk to him about it.

Also MDA's defense is pretty much exactly the same as Woody's at the base level. The only difference was the fact that Woody said he liked to trap more. Overall tho last year MDA stated clearly before camp that they would be using his defense and even when Woody took over the schemes were the same only the EFFORT level changed. It's ridiculous to think that MDA could win 62 games and have NO defensive scheme. That's impossible. If he really ignored D, those teams would've been at the bottom of the league on D and not middle of the league as they were. My contention is that if Amar'e was actually a good defensive anchor then those teams would've been much better defensively as they were last year under MDA with Tyson and Jared in there.

Your posts are fortressed around protecting D'AnToni. It's really takes all the sail out of the points you're trying to make.

This isn't about D'AnToni it's about Amar'e and his career of underachieving/slacking off/scapegoating/accepting no accountability for his shortcomings as a player. Which speaks of zero leadership and another one of the Funny Style Crew we have associated with this team. It's the very reason Melo came here and took the team right away from him with zero resistance. Melo walked all over him. No I'm not bashing Melo...Melo did what he felt he had to do to take control of this team but we hear a lot of this pride Amar'e has.... well where is it when it comes to being a true presence? He pouted in Phx because Nash got the glory, he pouted when they traded for Shaq, he called out the young players here amidst all the trades rumors. This guy is a joke and I can't stand him anymore.

For the record Nixluva

Eddie House was on First Take 3 weeks ago and flat out said D'AnToni thinks defense is important but doesn't spend enough time or give enough attention to detail on it. He even stated he played his best basketball under D'AnToni so he has no reason to pile on him as a player but he was asked pinpointed questions about practice and film study and House said there is no comparison to Pat Riley/Doc Rivers he said absolutely none when it comes to preparation. Offense first defense second and he said the time spent on both there was a huge gap.

So please stop coming into the thread like a knight in shining armor taking beef with Amar'e only because it appears he's taking a dump on your boy who mind you is no longer coaching this team. There is no reason for you to have your anchor tied to D'AnToni NONE AT ALL.

Back to Amar'e this dude is a complete joke of a player once again. Not only have I've never been endeared to him as a player and his cap killing salary, but he's really gone sideways since his arrival here with not stepping up and leading and being a complete professional from top to bottom. I mean how many more people affiliated with this organization past and present is he going to throw under the bus in efforts to protect himself?

All the ish you just posted means nothing to me. You haven't refuted my points, just cuz you've got a player noting the obvious. Of course if you go from a coach that focuses on D rather than a coach that focuses on Offense it's going to be a noticeable difference. So it doesn't surprise me that a player would say that other coaches focused more on D. That's not the point. I've NEVER said that MDA was a defensive guru or focused on D, so all the crap you claim against me is off base. I've only pointed out that Amar'e has had more than just MDA as his coach and there is no excuse for him to be so poor on D when others have played well on D for MDA and seemed to clearly understand what he was asking them to do defensively. As I pointed out when KT took over for STAT when he was out for the season after knee surgery, the Suns D improved significantly.

In terms of D it's not so much about some special schemes as it's mostly about effort. CLEARLY we've seen that on just EFFORT ALONE Amar'e hasn't done his job. One of MDA's favorite players was Jared Jeffries and he managed to play very good defense for him. Raja Bell, Marion, KT, Shump also all played good D under MDA and it really shows that effort means more than some special scheme. Just give a damn and it would make a huge difference. In PHX MDA never had bad defensive teams, but just imagine how much better they would've been if he had a solid defensive big rather than Amar'e in the middle. Back then Amar'e was better than he's been in NY tho. In NY Amar'e has been absolutely awful on D.

gunsnewing wrote:Notice Amare gives 110% ever time on offense forcing shots

Nobody gives more effort than Amare

IN TRAINING CAMP!!!!!!!!!!

nixluva wrote:Amar'e has had 5 different Head coaches, untold assistant coaches and even more training camps over the last 10 years. To assume that MDA was somehow the source of his issues on D is ludicrous. Surely the multiple sessions on D he must have had over the years even the shorter ones MDA had provided plenty of information on what he was doing wrong on D. No one has said that the times he was coached by MDA he had ZERO instruction or practices. There's just simply no excuse. As i've said before others have done a better job under MDA on D so why is it that Amar'e was somehow ignored. It's just pure B.S.

How can Amar'e make such a claim when he had Woody as a coach for a while now and surely he tried to help Amar'e with working with Hakeem this summer, part of which included defensive principles.

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mrKnickShot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Notice Amare gives 110% ever time on offense forcing shots

Nobody gives more effort than Amare

IN TRAINING CAMP!!!!!!!!!!

and in talking a big game

Tonight STAT looked much better. His head was on a swivel and he was looking around for the most part to see his man but also see what was going on with the ball. He was active and got his hands up. It's simple really. Just plain old effort.

That rip of Manu was sublime. A few lapses here and there, but you can see him putting the effort to be a better defender.