Nalod wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation".

Not to get off topic because this is one hell of a thread. An all-time great in Kobe Bryant making it known that Carmelo Anthony's his toughest NBA cover in the game today. But now you're straight up trolling. Nothing new either TKF. On RealGM no one asked you to support Gallo each and every chance you got while crapping all over Carmelo Anthony, but yet, you did it anyway. Now you've came over here to UltimateKnicks and have contined to do the same exact thing(s) here as you did over on RealGM as a mod; which is A.) Support Gallo to the fullest while B.) Crapping all over Carmelo Anthony each and every chance you get. You're becoming a flat out troll TKF. Your post above just goes to show your trollish behavior and/or ways (as a poster). You accuse others of bailting left and right but yet, you're the one who's taken your full blown hatred for Carmelo from RealGM over here to UltimateKnics. Look in the mirror before accusing others of "baiting".

tkf wrote:pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"

That is down right trolling and baiting at the same time. I don't wanna get banned due to arguing and/or going back and forth with a poster such as yourself. My love for talking about our Knicks is too strong for that. I should've learned my lession from past experience at the other place. But you're extreme with it. What makes it (even more) pathetic is how you put the word conversation is quotes as if Melo's not in the conversation for league MVP. NBA.Com has Melo on the rise for MVP contension at number two overall behind only Kevin Durant. Melo's on the rise (green arrow going up) at number two overall while LeBron James is on the decline (red arrow going down) at number three overall. Zach Randolph and Kobe Bryant round out the top 5.

Also, it's no longer "Novemeber". We're now in December. December 13th to be exact. And Carmelo Anthony is ranked 2nd behind only Kevin Durant in regards to the MVP race. But yet, you've stated as a way of trolling and baiting (I bit the bait too) that Melo's not even in the "conversation".

God forbid I mention Gallo sucking during the NBA gameday thread (3/13 shooting with only 9 points against an awful Pistons team) your panties go into bunches while you called me out as "baiting". The difference? I was man enough to respect Andrew and leave it at that. Stated 'carry on' and haven't returned to that thread ever since. Now, my question for you is... What are you doing in this thread? Why are you here? What's your point? Is it to tell us how "wrong we really are" in regards to Melo as you did for years on end over on RealGM? Some things never change...

Please don't bring that RealGM stuff here. If you were banned there for what ever reason then leave it there.

YOu are both doing a great job baiting each other.

Im sure you prefer to stay relevant and readers not hit the Ignore button.

We got a different way here than RealGM and our moderaters do a great job keeping things going.

you both are passionate fans and enjoy knick basketball. Thats why everyone is here!

actually nalod my initial post was to another poster who made a somewhat snide remark.. since then the conversation hasn't escalated at all.. what was the need for him to make this post? I really don't respond to this poster at all...

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:It's not a "trap"; it's the truth. Kobe Bryant is the closest thing to MJ23 since Michael Joran himself. When has Kobe Bryant even gone out of his way to consider an NBA player as the toughest cover in the NBA?

Like I've stated time and time again Carmelo Anthony is nothing short of a scoring phenom. A pure scoring machine is what Melo has always been. The greatest scorer I've ever seen as a Knick and I loved Ewing for all his worth, but not even Ewing could score at Melo's clip/rate. Melo can score from anywhere on the court. He takes over games. Dominates opposing defenses for 4 quarters strong and may go down as the greatest scorer in Knicks franchise history.

The man is on pace to rank top 5 all time in NBA scoring. Some negative critics who've never had an understanding of overall NBA history may consider Melo a "chucker" but when in reality, he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time. Now that he's improved his defense since arriving to New York ala where his heart's at; he's without question one of the greatest players in the world. Top 5 without question.

Kobe Bryant after his 10th NBA seasons put up a total of 16,886 points. Carmelo Anthony has put up 16,453 points (and hasn't even completed his 10th NBA season yet). Currently in his 10th season as of right now.

If Melo continues his average of 27.7 points per game during our final 61 regular season games, that'll be another 1,689 points on top of his already 16,453 points scored.

Carmelo Anthony could be at 18,142 points after his 10th season of play when compared to Kobe's 16,886 after 10 NBA seasons. Melo also has a higher career field goal percentage (.457%) when compared to Kobe Bryant's (.454%).

I loved Ewing for all his worth but Melo is quickly becoming my all-time favorite Knick. Led a New York school in Syracuse to their only National Championship. Has always dreamed (dating back to his childhood days) of playing inside of Madison Square Garden for our Knicks. New York bloodline. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for the Mecca of New York. Passed up on his home borough of Brooklyn in order to lead our Knicks into potential/future greatness. But yet, we have a couple of Knick fans who aren't full blown Melo supporters? The man's heart and soul is here with our Knicks franchise. If Melo ever leads us to an NBA World Championship? He'll own New York City once and for all. Forever too.

you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

benard didn't really have help, he was force to put up ridiculous #s and heavy minutes, which ended his career a little premature..

exactly. His statement makes me believe he never watched Bernard's Knicks. He was a man alone.

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NUPE wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:but Amare is out. Once Amare returns Melo's numbers will go down. Not hating just realistic

Amar'e will take shots from JR, Rasheed, Kurt and Felton. Melo's scoring may drop a point or two at most but his efficiency may go up.

I agree. I just don't see how he wins the MVP with averages of 23/6/4. I don't expect him to average more than 4 assists at most. Felton is the PG and is averaging only 6.8

We will see how things play out. As of today, it can be argued that Melo is the front-runner. A month or two or three from now that may not be the case.

do you honestly believe that he is a front runner and Durant is not? really? not even lebron? both guys are shooting over 50% and almost averaging a double double... do you really believe that? I mean honestly, if lebron or durant were on the knicks right now, would you honestly believe that melo was even close to them? seriously NUPE, all other agendas aside.... Seriously..

DurzoBlint wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:It's not a "trap"; it's the truth. Kobe Bryant is the closest thing to MJ23 since Michael Joran himself. When has Kobe Bryant even gone out of his way to consider an NBA player as the toughest cover in the NBA?

Like I've stated time and time again Carmelo Anthony is nothing short of a scoring phenom. A pure scoring machine is what Melo has always been. The greatest scorer I've ever seen as a Knick and I loved Ewing for all his worth, but not even Ewing could score at Melo's clip/rate. Melo can score from anywhere on the court. He takes over games. Dominates opposing defenses for 4 quarters strong and may go down as the greatest scorer in Knicks franchise history.

The man is on pace to rank top 5 all time in NBA scoring. Some negative critics who've never had an understanding of overall NBA history may consider Melo a "chucker" but when in reality, he's one of the greatest scorers of all-time. Now that he's improved his defense since arriving to New York ala where his heart's at; he's without question one of the greatest players in the world. Top 5 without question.

Kobe Bryant after his 10th NBA seasons put up a total of 16,886 points. Carmelo Anthony has put up 16,453 points (and hasn't even completed his 10th NBA season yet). Currently in his 10th season as of right now.

If Melo continues his average of 27.7 points per game during our final 61 regular season games, that'll be another 1,689 points on top of his already 16,453 points scored.

Carmelo Anthony could be at 18,142 points after his 10th season of play when compared to Kobe's 16,886 after 10 NBA seasons. Melo also has a higher career field goal percentage (.457%) when compared to Kobe Bryant's (.454%).

I loved Ewing for all his worth but Melo is quickly becoming my all-time favorite Knick. Led a New York school in Syracuse to their only National Championship. Has always dreamed (dating back to his childhood days) of playing inside of Madison Square Garden for our Knicks. New York bloodline. Forced his way out of Denver in order to play for the Mecca of New York. Passed up on his home borough of Brooklyn in order to lead our Knicks into potential/future greatness. But yet, we have a couple of Knick fans who aren't full blown Melo supporters? The man's heart and soul is here with our Knicks franchise. If Melo ever leads us to an NBA World Championship? He'll own New York City once and for all. Forever too.

you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

benard didn't really have help, he was force to put up ridiculous #s and heavy minutes, which ended his career a little premature..

exactly. His statement makes me believe he never watched Bernard's Knicks. He was a man alone.

who me? I was just making the correction as to the greatest knick scorer.. King was simply the best scorer the knicks have ever had... he didn't have much help, teams knew he was getting the ball and they still could not stop him.. on top of that, he shot a lot and shot over 50%, he was a monster...

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's about 10 NBA analysts and probably 5-10 players who agree on Melo being in the MVP discussion.

And then there's fishmike and tkf.

Stop it already. It's Lebron, KD, and everyone else.

pretty much is.. think about it.. despite the knicks nice start, players of the month for november were.. lebron and Durant.. what a surprise.. huh? but hey, I heard carmelo was in the "conversation"..

It doesn't really matter for me if Melo's in the conversation or not, or if he's top 3 or top 15.

He's balling and leading our #1 place 16-5 team. He's playing "the right way". Isn't that all that matters to us as Knicks fans?

clearly it doesnt.
Like I said in prior posts, Ewing was my favorite Knick and MElo's NBA accomplishments dont sniff Ewing's jock. Back when the FAN was just getting popular and it was the only sports talk on the radio I remember tons of callers used to argue Ewing's MVP status. For me it was just win. Clearly some here would prefer to cling to other things. Shockingly the forum was once a good discussion place for hoops before it became ultimateMelo.com

Knicks off the best start like ever, so of course their best player is going to be in the MVP discussion. Right now its probably KD, Lebron, CP3 then Duncan and Melo about a tie for 4th. Is it close? Always is, but after 80 games Melo will be an afterthought.

Billups first year in Denver Melo mad adjustments, had his best year, played "the right way" and Nuggets when to WCF. He had better stats that year and still finished like 6th.

He's a scorer. Enjoy his scoring ;)

Ewing is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't see how Ewing's play in the 90's is some bar or qualifier to Melo's winning an MVP in 2013. I have not heard anyone that actually votes for the award say "well Ewing never won the award therefore MELO is banned from winning the award so long as he wears a Knick jersey!!!!!"

he is relevent because he was the last Knick to be in the MVP conversation. His accomplishments both personal (awards/honors) and team (Ws/Ls, playoffs) far exceed what Melo has ever done. So there's the bar and yes its relevent.

For Melo to be in the discussion he need to go out and guard and lock down the opposition's best scoring wing. If he's doing that while scoring 25ppg he will be an MVP candidate.

Knicks and Melo have had a great start. Seasons, games and titles arent won in the first qtr., and Melo has NEVER been a legit or serious MVP candidate in the past (Ewing was) so its not like this is the year he gets over the hump. Lets win some playoff games first!

Ewing's career achievements have no bearing on whether Melo will win an MVP in 2013. You people continue to come up with creative reasons as to why Melo can't possibly win. Please show me where one person that actually has a vote has stated Melo can't possibly win MVP because Ewing has never won MVP.

Ewing also never WON NBA DPOY but somehow Tyson managed to win one.

Melo winning NBA MVP has no bearing on whether he is a better or worse player than EWING. MELO is not required to surpass EWING's career in order to win MVP. These imaginary hurdles you people continue to come up with are outlandish.

MVP goes to the best player on one of the top 2 or 4 teams.

The Knicks presently have the best record in the East and 3rd best record in the league. Melo is playing outlandishly well. Melo, according to Stephen A. Smith and Skip (people with votes) is the NBA MVP as of today!

great post. Lets eliminate imaginary hurdles and look at facts
2009-10 Nuggets through 21 games: 16-5
2012-13 KNicks thought 21 games: 16-5

09 Melo: 28ppg 6.5rebs 3.2 assists .458 FG%
12 Melo: 27ppg 6.5rebs 2 aassists .457 FG%

09 Nuggets finished winning their division and having home court in round one where they lost to Jazz in 6 games.

Melo finished 6th in MVP voting that year. 6th.

Hows that $100 bet looking now folks?

Again... happy Knicks having a great season and great start. Happy Melo is playing so well and a big reason for those wins.

Realistic MVP candidate? History would certainly show otherwise, but again... feel free to express your opinions every day in a new thread saying the same thing.

All these things have happened before.

Done and Done...

tkf wrote:you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

Yet again, aother trollish post in regards to crapping all over Melo and his offensive ability.

Bernard King only had a career average of 22.5 points per game when compared 24.7 from Melo. King played 206 as games as a Knick and averaged 26.4 points per game as Knick.

But yet, Bernard King made Melo's scoring "look like Ronnie Brewer" ala a career 8.8 points per game type of average offensive play.

And coming into a thread about Kobe considering Melo the toughest cover in the game today followed by stating Melo's not even in "conversation" and/or King's scoring makes Melo's scoring look like "Ronnie Brewer" is not only baiting Melo supporters, but it's trolling these threads...

Minions: Melo is MVP and best player in league right now
normal Knick fans: Ahh... great start to the season but no he's not
Minions: See? You want your team to lose and you are a hater
normal Knick fans: No.. happy the Knicks are winning, but Melo isnt an MVP
Minions: See? everything wrong with the world is Melo's fault. Keep on hating hater
normal Knick fans:

If its not a new thread daily on this crap is only because Mods forcing people to stick to one with 50 pages

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:you must have missed the Bernard king years.. he makes carmelo scoring look like Ronnie Brewer...

Yet again, aother trollish post in regards to crapping all over Melo and his offensive ability.

Bernard King only had a career average of 22.5 points per game when compared 24.7 from Melo. King played 206 as games as a Knick and averaged 26.4 points per game as Knick.

But yet, Bernard King made Melo's scoring "look like Ronnie Brewer" ala a career 8.8 points per game type of average offensive play.

And coming into a thread about Kobe considering Melo the toughest cover in the game today followed by stating Melo's not even in "conversation" and/or King's scoring makes Melo's scoring look like "Ronnie Brewer" is not only baiting Melo supporters, but it's trolling these threads...

in your attempt to scream troll, you try to sneak in king's career avg... really? are you going to mention in his career avg was the year in utah in which he avg. 9ppg only playing 9 games.. or the year in NY after he came back off that devesating injury, and played 6 games?

come on bro.... king avg 21,26, and 32ppg while with the knicks and he shot well over 50%.. carmelo has never cracked 30ppg and has never cracked the 50% mark.. ever.. it is not trolling.. it is the truth. I have had the pleasure of watching king play live at the garden over 30 times.. I watched bernard drop 50 points back to back games and 60 points vs the nets.. Bernard also played during a time when defenses were allowed to beat you up... The great celtics teams could not stop him, No one could, no team could... And Oh, he did all this while basically attempting NO three point shots..

You said I crapped all over melo's offensive ability.. Listen to how you sound.. comparing him to bernard king as a scorer pretty much accomplishes that....

gunsnewing wrote:Melo might finish in the top 3 this year but it will be behind Durant and Lebron. Melo is right there with Chris Paul.

I'm only in on the bet that Melo won't win MVP if anyone wants in

Anji wrote:

fishmike wrote:and when logic utterly fails and falls short for the Melo minions as it always does you can expect the "everything is Melo's fault" crappy posts, and the circle jerk renews.

Minions: Melo is MVP and best player in league right now
normal Knick fans: Ahh... great start to the season but no he's not
Minions: See? You want your team to lose and you are a hater
normal Knick fans: No.. happy the Knicks are winning, but Melo isnt an MVP
Minions: See? everything wrong with the world is Melo's fault. Keep on hating hater
normal Knick fans:

If its not a new thread daily on this crap is only because Mods forcing people to stick to one with 50 pages

Well Fishyboy, you have to look no further than the thread title to see the difference between 2009 and this season.

What kind of Normal fans cares if Melo is getting MVP press??? Shouldn't it Minion, Normal fans and sticksuptheasses??? Because what Kind of stick do you have to have up your ass to fight too joy about your own team???

Silverfuel wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo might finish in the top 3 this year but it will be behind Durant and Lebron. Melo is right there with Chris Paul.

I'm only in on the bet that Melo won't win MVP if anyone wants in

piscataway for the laker game?

hmmm contemplating it