fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

all of them? Wow!

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

No one's saying Melo's going to win it, just that he's on the ballot and has an outside shot.

Everyone knows it's Lebron's and KD's MVP to lose. That's been established already.

All we're saying he'll get a few votes thrown his way at the current Knick's pace.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

all of them? Wow!

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

No one's saying Melo's going to win it, just that he's on the ballot and has an outside shot.

Everyone knows it's Lebron's and KD's MVP to lose. That's been established already.

All we're saying he'll get a few votes thrown his way at the current Knick's pace.

MElo is a freakin scorer. He doesnt anchor the defense. He doesnt facilitate the offense. He relies on others to create space. When he doesnt it results in iso-Melo ball which has its moments but also = a playoff FG% of what? 41%? Not the same caliber of player or role.

But again.. that makes me a hater right? I cant just enjoy the team winning, I have to pretend our star is something he isnt? It gets old mate!

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

all of them? Wow!

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

No one's saying Melo's going to win it, just that he's on the ballot and has an outside shot.

Everyone knows it's Lebron's and KD's MVP to lose. That's been established already.

All we're saying he'll get a few votes thrown his way at the current Knick's pace.

sure! And I have no problem with that. I was a HUGE Ewing fan. Always loved him. Part of the reason I became a Knick fan. I think he finished like 3rd one year. Dude got the Knicks into round 2 for a decade straight with a revolving door of role players and supporting cast. Did I mention 2nd round for 10 straight years? Who was the 2nd scorer on those teams? Ewing was the leading scorer, an ALL-NBA (usually 2nd team I admit) defender and he STILL wasnt MVP. Usually not even close!

MElo is a freakin scorer. He doesnt anchor the defense. He doesnt facilitate the offense. He relies on others to create space. When he doesnt it results in iso-Melo ball which has its moments but also = a playoff FG% of what? 41%? Not the same caliber of player or role.

But again.. that makes me a hater right? I cant just enjoy the team winning, I have to pretend our star is something he isnt? It gets old mate!

What you are or how you play the game doesn't get scrutinized when you're on a top team.

Kevin Durant doesn't do squat more than Carmelo besides averaging 1 more rebound a game. He's a scorer, just like Carmelo.

When he wins MVP this year, what will your reason for that be?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

all of them? Wow!

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

Ok, so they don't have an MVP candidate. That's your opinion, fine.

So please tell us in your own words, what your requirements are to be an MVP candidate.

Tell me exactly why Lebron, Durant, Randolph, Curry, etc. are on it but why Anthony should not be on it.

sure. As soon as you answer my question you never answered. Why does Melo get a pass for all his playoff failures as his teams were bad, but MDA was a total failure here his first 2 years when his team was bad. I dont even care

May the circle begin anew!

Sorry... I digressed.

Is it my opinion? Because it seems that others feel the same way. Of course, I dont get to vote but apparently some think Melo isnt even the discussion. He has been voted 2nd (once) and 3rd (once) best at his position, so there's that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team

Again... why cant you just be happy with the team? Melo is an all star. Thats not good enough? Why do you have to pretend your mascot is the best in the league? Just enjoy what he brings to the table. Shockingly I do. This is a fun team to watch. Let Melo be Melo. Stop pretending he's Lebron or KD or whatever make believe player you think he is. Dude's a scorer.

I don't think anyone ever said he was robbed of MVP multiple times in his career. In fact, I never once thought he was even close to even being a candidate in all of his years in the league.

But so far this year, that's not the case. Again, I think everyone who is saying he is a candidate says so because he has the good fortune of being on a top team. That automatically puts him the contention. No one here made the rules or requirements, nor did the league's players.

The requirements sometimes work against you. Kobe averaged 35 PPG during the 05-06 campaign. Those are ridiculous numbers. The only thing that held him back was the fact that the team only had 45 wins. If it was 55+, he would've easily won it.

The requirements sometimes go in your favor. This season, they're going in Carmelo's favor. He's not as good as Lebron and Durant, nor will he ever be. But the fact that Kidd, Chandler, Felton, etc are all meshing and having succes just puts him in the race.

To say that he does not even deserve to be in the top 10 of candidates takes away from everything that the rest of the team has done so far.

I have said it once and I will keep saying it. If Melo wants to be in that elite category, and if you want your mascot in that category its going to happen in the post season. Team needs to win.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NUPE wrote:

fishmike wrote:this tells you what many have been saying around here for awhile. Less Melo is more. You cant ask him to be Lebron. He's not that caliber of player. But he's damn good at what he does so let him do what he's good at. You can call this MElo's team, but the reality is he's not that kind of player, and now that he's realizing it he's playing his best ball. Seems he's learned the way to make others around him better is to actually let them touch the ball

Knicks dont have an MVP candidate, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather have a team like Larry's Piston's (looking like we might) then the Laker teams they beat.

KNicks are deep and riding this to the top of the Eastern conference. Melo is our best player, but as demonstrated in the Heat game its a good team. When Amare comes back and Shump to the rotation gets deeper and more talented. Amare+Shump >>>> Brewer and Sheed.

With PGs like Kidd and FElton expect a smooth transition

Well players, analyst, ex-players, sports reporters, etc. all disagree with you on this. You are free to have your opinion though.

all of them? Wow!

Again... the Meloites cant just be happy with a great season. They need to elevate their mascot to something he isnt, then when others disagree label them haters who would prefer to see their team lose.

Enjoy the season, and try not to get too upset when Lebron, KD, or someone else wins the award.

Ok, so they don't have an MVP candidate. That's your opinion, fine.

So please tell us in your own words, what your requirements are to be an MVP candidate.

Tell me exactly why Lebron, Durant, Randolph, Curry, etc. are on it but why Anthony should not be on it.

sure. As soon as you answer my question you never answered. Why does Melo get a pass for all his playoff failures as his teams were bad, but MDA was a total failure here his first 2 years when his team was bad. I dont even care

May the circle begin anew!

Sorry... I digressed.

Is it my opinion? Because it seems that others feel the same way. Of course, I dont get to vote but apparently some think Melo isnt even the discussion. He has been voted 2nd (once) and 3rd (once) best at his position, so there's that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team

Again... why cant you just be happy with the team? Melo is an all star. Thats not good enough? Why do you have to pretend your mascot is the best in the league? Just enjoy what he brings to the table. Shockingly I do. This is a fun team to watch. Let Melo be Melo. Stop pretending he's Lebron or KD or whatever make believe player you think he is. Dude's a scorer.

I don't think anyone ever said he was robbed of MVP multiple times in his career. In fact, I never once thought he was even close to even being a candidate in all of his years in the league.

But so far this year, that's not the case. Again, I think everyone who is saying he is a candidate says so because he has the good fortune of being on a top team. That automatically puts him the contention. No one here made the rules or requirements, nor did the league's players.

The requirements sometimes work against you. Kobe averaged 35 PPG during the 05-06 campaign. Those are ridiculous numbers. The only thing that held him back was the fact that the team only had 45 wins. If it was 55+, he would've easily won it.

The requirements sometimes go in your favor. This season, they're going in Carmelo's favor. He's not as good as Lebron and Durant, nor will he ever be. But the fact that Kidd, Chandler, Felton, etc are all meshing and having succes just puts him in the race.

To say that he does not even deserve to be in the top 10 of candidates takes away from everything that the rest of the team has done so far.

Melo is a legitimate MVP candidate because he is putting up great numbers on a team that can conceivably win the East.

The MVP does not go to the best player in the league. This has never been the criteria. It goes to a top player on one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NBA. It sometimes goes to a top player on a top team where the team has greatly exceeded expectations. Melo needs to play well and the Knicks need to be a top two seed for Melo to have a shot at winning the MVP. It's possible. Time will tell.

Is Melo the best player in the NBA? Absolutely not. Is Melo amongst the best? Sure. Is he on a top team and playing well right now? Yes. I would say that makes him a legit candidate rather than a faux candidate.

Really? You want to go there? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

Just enjoy Melo if you love him! There is no crime in that. Poor taste is a god given right in the USA! Sarcasm on that last part but really... if you think Melo is just as good you havent watched KD. He's better at everything. Cmon man

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You're borderline flip flopping, Fish.

Top 10 means one could argue there are 9 other guys better than you, which in Melo's case is close to true. MVP means your not only a top 2-3 player, your also the key player on an elite team.

How is that flopping or the same?

Again... stop HEARING that Melo not MVP = Melo is trash. Only TFK says that

Melo is a good player, but isnt ironic his best start to his best season he's letting the ball go through someone else? You know the one season Melo played with a guy who took more shots than him was ALSO his best statistical season? Go look up the year Iverson took a trillion shots. Melo was pretty much 2nd option playing off him and has a MONSTER season and I believe his best FG% ever. Less is more.

Happy Melo is playing like a top 10 guy. Even happier if he still is this spring. I dont give a phuck about awards he's got no shot to win. I want to win some playoff games. Its been a long time.

ChuckBuck wrote:I think there's the misconception with winning MVP vs being the best player in the league.

Doesn't always correlate with eachother. Derrick Rose, Charles Barkley, and Karl Malone come to mind. Lebron's been the best player in the league for awhile, but Derrick led his team to the best record in the East even though he didn't have the best numbers. Barkley and Malone won MVPs during the Jordan era even though MJ clearly had better statistics.

The one common denominator. They all led their teams to the 1 seed in their conference.

Some argued against Nash. Suns win 55 games and go the WCF with a frontcourt of James Jones, Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion. Take Nash off that team they MIGHT be .500 (remember Amare blew out his knee that year). Thats was an easy MVP. Best player? No... top 5? sure. Most valuable to his team? Clearly.

If Melo misses a month the KNicks will still win games. Not as many but they will play over .500 ball for sure, because they are good. Better with Melo? Duh. Cmon...

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You're borderline flip flopping, Fish.

not at all man. Not at all. Ewing was ALWAYS a top 10 player. I never thought him as an MVP. And he was MY guy.

Top 10 means one could argue there are 9 other guys better than you, which in Melo's case is close to true. MVP means your not only a top 2-3 player, your also the key player on an elite team.

How is that flopping or the same?

Again... stop HEARING that Melo not MVP = Melo is trash. Only TFK says that

Melo is a good player, but isnt ironic his best start to his best season he's letting the ball go through someone else? You know the one season Melo played with a guy who took more shots than him was ALSO his best statistical season? Go look up the year Iverson took a trillion shots. Melo was pretty much 2nd option playing off him and has a MONSTER season and I believe his best FG% ever. Less is more.

Happy Melo is playing like a top 10 guy. Even happier if he still is this spring. I dont give a phuck about awards he's got no shot to win. I want to win some playoff games. Its been a long time.

What Ewing did to be in the race is NO different than what Anthony is doing to be in it. It's not because of points, rebounds, assists, defense.
It's about being on a winning team. It's instant recognition to be in the MVP race.

And Ewing never won it because there were always a few players who were better and also had better records. Same applies with Anthony. There's better guys out there with better records.

But it doesn't exclude him from the race.

Your off on this one amigo. Surely you can see this?