newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.

I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.

I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.

It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.

Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.

Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.

that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..

These are guys who have been efficient their whole careers (Novak, Brewer, Chandler, Kidd, Camby when he returns). It's not Melo - it's the outstanding job Grunwald did. Obviously they're not going to stay this efficient but we will still have a very good offense.

Its called putting people in position to succced by complimenting there game. Its funny that now its all of a sudden because he got shooters because of grunwald when last season it was argued that he just doesn't win or take good shots period not because of the team around him and everything else was excuses.

you guys act as if the knicks are 82-0 , after 3 games there is just no evidence to prove this so called "carmelo effect"...jeez....

Well since Woody and Melo have been given full control, besides playing the best team in basketball in the playoffs. This team has looked pretty damn good for 30+ games now. They have been playing defense, using ball movement, knocking down 3s and winning games.

You guys keep talking about the 3s won't keep dropping which is true, we will still hit a solid amount though. But what about the defense? What about the limited turn overs from the offense and high volume from the defense? These aren't aborations becaus we have players that play good defense and we have players that can hit open 3s. Its not like we have scrubs playing out of there minds.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:They are lotto without him.

I do wanna reserve the MVP talk after 3 games tho.

I think this is finally the year Melo's solidifies himself as a top NBA player. Yes we are a lotto team without him no doubt.

It depends on who he's being replaced with. If you mean the team just lost him, then yes. If you replaced him with another solid starter at the SF position, we'd still be 3-0 though. The success has more to do with the crazy scoring efficiency we're getting from several players.

Slightly disagree Bonn. I think the attention Melo has been getting frome defenses is leading to the offensive efficiency we're enjoying. Not many other players would command that kind of attention. Not sure if we'd be 3-0 or having the same success on offense (or defense for that matter) if you replace Melo with a healthy STAT, for example.

Yeah if you watched the games and see the attention he demands, you realize it is the main factor for the hot shooting. Just looking at offensive efficiency alone, i agree, this team would still be 3-0 if you take him off the team and replace him with another forward. But watching the games and understanding what you're seeing makes it very obvious the shooting is a result of a couple of things that have to do with Melo. We just wouldn't be shooting the ball this well if we didn't have a player on the floor who demands so much attention.

that is not true.. it is absolutely not true.. the knicks are not going to shoot this well, just not.. they are also making a lot of threes , not necessarily great shots.. ronnie brewer is horrible 3 point shooter and he nailed two threes with someone on him, that had nothing to do with carmelo... carmelo came out and shot 10-28 the first game.. no team is paying that much attention to him.. the sixers guarded him straight up with thadeus young for most of the game..

They are shooting very well and it won't continue, but if you think Melo has nothing to do with it then there is no point in this conversation. You are just not watching the games.

ok, so you admit the shooting won't continue, and since you also feel that carmelo has a lot to do with it, when they stop shooting well are you going to blame him for that? if not, then stop giving him credit...

I am watching the games and there is NOTHING that he is doing that is attributing to guys like brewer hitting threes and rasheed throwing up practice threes that are going in.....

never underestimate the power of denial

Do you have any evidence for this idea that Melo improves the shooting of his teammates? Is there a long list of players' whose percentages plummeted after no longer being on Melo's team?

If you were arguing that Steve Nash or Jason Kidd improve the offense of their teammates, I'd find it much more plausible.

I would go to 82games.com if they started analyzing this year's data because I'm 99 percent certain I could give you that quantifiable empirical evidence you desire oh so much

what I can tell you is that defenses sag on Melo. you don't need to be a rocket scientist or brain surgeon to see that. If you think that extra half second that guys like Brewer get from that extra attention doesn't matter, you are insane

100% right, but bias can be blinding...

GodNa7ion wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:TKF is the biggest Melo hater ever, he has a personal ageonda against him because of Gallo

LOL this just came out of nowhere.. glad you got this off your chest.. thanks for sharing... smh

did you or did you not say you would never like the guy even if he won a title, yes or no

are you really going to waste my time with this?

I'll pass on the foolishness...

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:TKF is the biggest Melo hater ever, he has a personal ageonda against him because of Gallo

LOL this just came out of nowhere.. glad you got this off your chest.. thanks for sharing... smh

did you or did you not say you would never like the guy even if he won a title, yes or no

are you really going to waste my time with this?

I'll pass on the foolishness...

answer the question TKF

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

hahaha, so are like 10 other NBA players after 4 games bro....

Right.

That's why its called the MVP race, because there's multiple players having MVP caliber seaons.

If the team wins 55+ games, he will be considered, because it goes to the best player on one of the best teams.

so what you are saying is this thread is useless and basically stating the obvious..

so basically you can do this for any team and player in the league... again... what is the use if that is the case?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

hahaha, so are like 10 other NBA players after 4 games bro....

Right.

That's why its called the MVP race, because there's multiple players having MVP caliber seaons.

If the team wins 55+ games, he will be considered, because it goes to the best player on one of the best teams.

so what you are saying is this thread is useless and basically stating the obvious..

so basically you can do this for any team and player in the league... again... what is the use if that is the case?

No, every team does not have a player who is in the running for MVP.

he only feels its useless because its about Carmelo, dont even try to explain what the thread is for

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

hahaha, so are like 10 other NBA players after 4 games bro....

Right.

That's why its called the MVP race, because there's multiple players having MVP caliber seaons.

If the team wins 55+ games, he will be considered, because it goes to the best player on one of the best teams.

so what you are saying is this thread is useless and basically stating the obvious..

so basically you can do this for any team and player in the league... again... what is the use if that is the case?

No, every team does not have a player who is in the running for MVP.

in theory they do.. according to the criteria being set here by you guys...55+ wins and the best player on that team.... so almost any player can be a candidate as long as his team wins 55+ games...

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodNa7ion wrote:never said Melo gets all the praise and glory but he's having an MVP caliber start

hahaha, so are like 10 other NBA players after 4 games bro....

Right.

That's why its called the MVP race, because there's multiple players having MVP caliber seaons.

If the team wins 55+ games, he will be considered, because it goes to the best player on one of the best teams.

so what you are saying is this thread is useless and basically stating the obvious..

so basically you can do this for any team and player in the league... again... what is the use if that is the case?

No, every team does not have a player who is in the running for MVP.

in theory they do.. according to the criteria being set here by you guys...55+ wins and the best player on that team.... so almost any player can be a candidate as long as his team wins 55+ games...

Every team can't win 55 games.

Wake up.

Even Chauncey and Ben Wallace were in the running during their Pistons days, and those teams had no particular star.

Winning games puts someone on the team in contention.

Doesn't even have to be Melo, it could be Tyson.