misterearl wrote:Change For The Sake Of Change

arkrud wrote:I am not really a Romney fan. He may fail miserably. But Obama already failed so why not to try something new. Some change for a change.

"Our number one priority should be to make Obama a one term president" - House Leader Mitch McConnell (R) in 2009

Romney's Business Experience

There is nothing Presidential about taking the profits made from sending jobs to China, and hiding them in Switzerland to avoid paying taxes in America, hence freeloading off the people whose very jobs you took.

arkrud - what, in particular, about Romney's policy stances appeals to you the most?

I like his program ideas to increase military spending. The world security is the main thing we get paid for by other nations like China. They need stability and want US to pay for it. Does not matter if our military will get stronger from this investments or not. What matters US companies will get funding to create jobs and we will have jets, drones, ships, and rockets to bomb somebody to the stone edge if needed.
I like the economic program to stimulate businesses by not increasing taxes and loosen regulations. We need economy to expand and this is the only way to do it.
I like ideas of smaller government. We need to reduce hidden welfare provided to millions useless government workers.
I like the plan to stimulate competition in health industry. Regulations are creating unreasonable monopolization of services which creates absolutely insane prices for drugs and medical care.
I like the ideas to have stronger international policies. We should increase the sanctions for Iran and destroy their military and infrastructure from air/ships if they will get close to getting the bomb, we need to put Russia in place, stop appologistics and be strong.
We should stimulate immigration of skilled educated people in US by looking into point system used by Canada ans Australia.
We should provide no-cost easy to get work visas for seasonal workers and prosecute business which are using illegal workers.
WE need to cut liberal bul..sht as much as possible.

Or Did Arkrud Fantasize That Romney Said It?

arkrud - I like his program ideas to increase military spending. The world security is the main thing we get paid for by other nations like China. They need stability and want US to pay for it. Does not matter if our military will get stronger from this investments or not. What matters US companies will get funding to create jobs and we will have jets, drones, ships, and rockets to bomb somebody to the stone edge if needed.

Nice, how do you pay for a larger military without raising taxes?

arkrud - I like the economic program to stimulate businesses by not increasing taxes and loosen regulations. We need economy to expand and this is the only way to do it.

Loosen which regulations? Environmental? Monetary? Investment regulations? Can you say Enron? What Romney policy are you referencing? C'mon.

arkrud - I like ideas of smaller government. We need to reduce hidden welfare provided to millions useless government workers.

Cool. How small a government do you want? Let's eliminate the FAA, NASA, The Marines and big ticket military departments. Cutting the NEA and PBS won't get it. Romney has no clear position on what he would eliminate that saves trillions

arkrud - I like the plan to stimulate competition in health industry. Regulations are creating unreasonable monopolization of services which creates absolutely insane prices for drugs and medical care.

You prefer the HC voucher plan that Romney is offering? Really?

arkrud - I like the ideas to have stronger international policies. We should increase the sanctions for Iran and destroy their military and infrastructure from air/ships if they will get close to getting the bomb, we need to put Russia in place, stop appologistics and be strong.

1. War, what is it good for...? Romney has no position on this.

The so-called "apology" speeches Romney referenced actually were made in France and Latin America. (Obama did use the word “dictating” during a 2009 interview with al Arabiya, but again, that was not an apology; he said he wanted his new Middle East peace envoy to “start by listening.”)

2. The apology thing is a canard manufactured by Fox News and everyone knows it It has been fact-checked to death.

arkrud - We should stimulate immigration of skilled educated people in US by looking into point system used by Canada ans Australia.

Romney has never stated a position on this

arkrud - We should provide no-cost easy to get work visas for seasonal workers and prosecute business which are using illegal workers.

Romney has never mentioned any policy on this. Self-deportation is not an answer.

Smaller government - Bigger military. (Note the irony) Really?

misterearl wrote:Romney Said It?

Or Did Arkrud Fantasize That Romney Said It?

arkrud - I like his program ideas to increase military spending. The world security is the main thing we get paid for by other nations like China. They need stability and want US to pay for it. Does not matter if our military will get stronger from this investments or not. What matters US companies will get funding to create jobs and we will have jets, drones, ships, and rockets to bomb somebody to the stone edge if needed.

Nice, how do you pay for a larger military without raising taxes?

arkrud - I like the economic program to stimulate businesses by not increasing taxes and loosen regulations. We need economy to expand and this is the only way to do it.

Loosen which regulations? Environmental? Monetary? Investment regulations? Can you say Enron? What Romney policy are you referencing? C'mon.

arkrud - I like ideas of smaller government. We need to reduce hidden welfare provided to millions useless government workers.

Cool. How small a government do you want? Let's eliminate the FAA, NASA, The Marines and big ticket military departments. Cutting the NEA and PBS won't get it. Romney has no clear position on what he would eliminate that saves trillions

arkrud - I like the plan to stimulate competition in health industry. Regulations are creating unreasonable monopolization of services which creates absolutely insane prices for drugs and medical care.

You prefer the HC voucher plan that Romney is offering? Really?

arkrud - I like the ideas to have stronger international policies. We should increase the sanctions for Iran and destroy their military and infrastructure from air/ships if they will get close to getting the bomb, we need to put Russia in place, stop appologistics and be strong.

1. War, what is it good for...? Romney has no position on this.

The so-called "apology" speeches Romney referenced actually were made in France and Latin America. (Obama did use the word “dictating” during a 2009 interview with al Arabiya, but again, that was not an apology; he said he wanted his new Middle East peace envoy to “start by listening.”)

2. The apology thing is a canard manufactured by Fox News and everyone knows it It has been fact-checked to death.

arkrud - We should stimulate immigration of skilled educated people in US by looking into point system used by Canada ans Australia.

Romney has never stated a position on this

arkrud - We should provide no-cost easy to get work visas for seasonal workers and prosecute business which are using illegal workers.

Romney has never mentioned any policy on this. Self-deportation is not an answer.

Smaller government - Bigger military. (Note the irony) Really?

As I said I am not a fan of Romney and Republicans. But even lesser fan of Obama and Democrats.
I am extremist libertarian and at this point of time Romney/republicans seem to be close to my views.
Last elections it was all the way around.
Both candidates are week and have no personal charisma. Obama is simply tired and done. Romney is the best Reps have at the moment in their week ranks.
So I am going to vote for lesser evil. That’s it.

misterearl wrote:Vote for perception, not the issues. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Both candidates are week and have no personal charisma.

arkrud - Are looking for a President or an entertainer?

Never understood the Libertarian application of archaic thinking to modern issues. This is 2012, not 1872.

"Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."

I am extremist libertarian and at this point of time Romney/republicans seem to be close to my views. - arkrud

arkrud - Non-intervention on foreign policy is the exact opposite of what you expressed in your desire for a strong military and bombing another country into the stone age.

The military budget of the United States, conservatively measured at around $700 billion (but probably closer to $1 trillion once all security measures and veteran benefits are considered), is approximately equal to all of the military budgets of all other countries combined. If the US military budget were cut in half, it would still be the largest in the world. Then, if it were cut in half again, it would STILL be the largest in the world. Then, if it were cut in half a third time, reduced to only one-eighth its current size, it would STILL be the largest in the world. And that's using the conservative measure. - from The Libertarian Party site

Fact is arkrud, based on the foreign policy issues you wrote that you support, you have little in common with the Libertarian STATED principles. They want to cut the military to Swiss minimum scale.

The most comical part is that President Obama's stance on military spending is closer to the stated goals that you claim to prefer. Color me confused.

Which is it homey?

arkrud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Vote for perception, not the issues. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Both candidates are week and have no personal charisma.

arkrud - Are looking for a President or an entertainer?

Never understood the Libertarian application of archaic thinking to modern issues. This is 2012, not 1872.

"Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."

I am extremist libertarian and at this point of time Romney/republicans seem to be close to my views. - arkrud

arkrud - Non-intervention on foreign policy is the exact opposite of what you expressed in your desire for a strong military and bombing another country into the stone age.

The military budget of the United States, conservatively measured at around $700 billion (but probably closer to $1 trillion once all security measures and veteran benefits are considered), is approximately equal to all of the military budgets of all other countries combined. If the US military budget were cut in half, it would still be the largest in the world. Then, if it were cut in half again, it would STILL be the largest in the world. Then, if it were cut in half a third time, reduced to only one-eighth its current size, it would STILL be the largest in the world. And that's using the conservative measure. - from The Libertarian Party site

Fact is arkrud, based on the foreign policy issues you wrote that you support, you have little in common with the Libertarian STATED principles. They want to cut the military to Swiss minimum scale.

The most comical part is that President Obama's stance on military spending is closer to the stated goals that you claim to prefer. Color me confused.

Which is it homey?

Absolutely right... no intervention, just prevention.
We do not need to send ground troops anywhere. This strategy is getting old quickly.
You just have adequate elite forces (marines, navy seals) and Navy, Air-force, and missiles installationes adequate and even more adequate to destroy any enemy couple of times with conventional weapons.
Also robotization in all areas of warfare and war intelligence are paramount.
To move to this modern warfare model we need a lot of investments. And this work will advance science and technology enormously.
So this money will not be wasted and we get another boost for market economy as we did during Cold War.
Libertarian or not I am just a fan of practical thinking.

Im thinking for myself and struggle even harder when I read what ignorance is spewed on facebook on on some of these pages. Im not going to all anyone or any position out.

Our problems were not created under Obama and I don't think any president could fix in 4 years what was stilll symptomatic when he took office.
Those circumstances had a great momentum and doe not stop just because a new man is in place.
THere are global economic forces working against a global economy.
In this country you have demographic shifts that are changing the trend all the time.
Obama faces racisim toward him.
Tea Party is on the right track but its roots are racist and ignorant looking for a quick fix.
Romney's a CEO and they are dictators.
Ryan is a freaking suck up and very dangerous.
Obama has been a poor legislator and proven not able to throw his weight around. Your the President dammit.
Supreme court will likely change two seats soon. Not a good time for a suck up like Romney get pushed around.
Morman doctrine suspicious to many. Will it undercut his cred?
I would have voted for McCain but Palin was a joke. Ryan not much better.
Is the country better with Romney getting the confidence restored in the economy and thus is the better for the economy because of his backing?
Why is Romney runnnig? Serve the people or serve his ego and unfulfilled fathers dream? Pappa George spoke out about Vietnam and it cost him any consideration.
Social Democrat but fiscal republican Nalod is.

No need to respond to my comments. I'll wrestle then walk over and early vote.

But I will vote!

If you're having trouble making up your mind just remember what it was like under Bush!!! Romney like Bush doesn't have a real Foreign Policy and will let the Neocons make all the decisions as they did under Bush. Look where that got us. All the tax policy that Bush installed once again showed Republicans can't be trusted when they always claim to be deficit hawks and yet they spend FAR more than Dems. In fact Reagan, Bush both exploded the deficit. WHERE is the fiscal discipline? It seems only the Dems have successfully reduced the deficit. DON'T BELIEVE THEIR LIES!!! This chart is all you need to know about the Republicans. They have lied every single time about the deficit.

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As for Obama, I think he has done a great job based upon the state of the economy and foreign policy at the time he took office. He has not been perfect but he has done well.