mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

you need as many balls in the bin as you can to get that diamond.. more balls more chances.. knicks are notorious for trading picks.. starphuch......as they call it I guess..... I would love to have the picks back from the curry trade, marbury trade and especially the carmelo trade.... hard to find a diamond when you are busy chasing donkeys...

There is nothing wrong with trading pick in the right situations. We have not done it right.

LA traded 1st rounders for Nash. Was that correct for a guy at his age? We shall see.

Did we trade too much for Melo? Probably - we shall see.

However, the way we draft, we should trade all our picks.

Gallo, Jordan Hill, Channing Frye....everytime we have a top 10 pick we bomb ass. It's always when we have a later pick (Wilson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, David Lee) that we get something decent.

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mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

you need as many balls in the bin as you can to get that diamond.. more balls more chances.. knicks are notorious for trading picks.. starphuch......as they call it I guess..... I would love to have the picks back from the curry trade, marbury trade and especially the carmelo trade.... hard to find a diamond when you are busy chasing donkeys...

There is nothing wrong with trading pick in the right situations. We have not done it right.

LA traded 1st rounders for Nash. Was that correct for a guy at his age? We shall see.

Did we trade too much for Melo? Probably - we shall see.

However, the way we draft, we should trade all our picks.

Gallo, Jordan Hill, Channing Frye....everytime we have a top 10 pick we bomb ass. It's always when we have a later pick (Wilson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, David Lee) that we get something decent.

Mike Sweetny

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

So you are ready to say that Faried is a better pick than Shrump without seeing how they pan out??...Shrump is a diamond in the ruff, one could argue if done over Shrump is top 5...By the way, selecting a pick a year after they come out of school is way easier than doing it on draft day...

I am ready to say that it looks like Faried was the (way) better pick. How will it pan out? Who knows. If the draft would be today based on what we know, how would it go?

It certainly easier to do the year after that is precisely why I do not get paid to do this professionally. But I think that the knicks might have people on the payroll who should be able to forecast. Or, maybe not.

Wait a second, Shrump is currently projected above many picked before him...He was picked at 17th and he could be top 5...How could you complain about that...Hey we didn't get the top three of the draft, our front office much suck???... Are u kidding???

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

So you are ready to say that Faried is a better pick than Shrump without seeing how they pan out??...Shrump is a diamond in the ruff, one could argue if done over Shrump is top 5...By the way, selecting a pick a year after they come out of school is way easier than doing it on draft day...

I am ready to say that it looks like Faried was the (way) better pick. How will it pan out? Who knows. If the draft would be today based on what we know, how would it go?

It certainly easier to do the year after that is precisely why I do not get paid to do this professionally. But I think that the knicks might have people on the payroll who should be able to forecast. Or, maybe not.

Wait a second, Shrump is currently projected above many picked before him...He was picked at 17th and he could be top 5...How could you complain about that...Hey we didn't get the top three of the draft, our front office much suck???... Are u kidding???

Shumpert was a good but as somebody mentioned before, why can't we get the diamond? The star? Why is it someone who picks after us. There were many duds picked before Shumpert and those other teams failed but I am sure they at least have a better track record.

Are you saying that our front office does not/has not sucked (in the draft)?

I'm saying u can't complain about a front office that gave u a top 5 pick at the 17th slot...There are at least 12 other front offices that got it wrong before our front office did...And if he ever becomes an all star, yes diamond in the ruff but you want it right now...It's not going to happen right now because he wouldn't be the 17th pick..

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

So you are ready to say that Faried is a better pick than Shrump without seeing how they pan out??...Shrump is a diamond in the ruff, one could argue if done over Shrump is top 5...By the way, selecting a pick a year after they come out of school is way easier than doing it on draft day...

I am ready to say that it looks like Faried was the (way) better pick. How will it pan out? Who knows. If the draft would be today based on what we know, how would it go?

It certainly easier to do the year after that is precisely why I do not get paid to do this professionally. But I think that the knicks might have people on the payroll who should be able to forecast. Or, maybe not.

Wait a second, Shrump is currently projected above many picked before him...He was picked at 17th and he could be top 5...How could you complain about that...Hey we didn't get the top three of the draft, our front office much suck???... Are u kidding???

Shumpert was a good but as somebody mentioned before, why can't we get the diamond? The star? Why is it someone who picks after us. There were many duds picked before Shumpert and those other teams failed but I am sure they at least have a better track record.

Are you saying that our front office does not/has not sucked (in the draft)?

I'm saying u can't complain about a front office that gave u a top 5 pick at the 17th slot...There are at least 12 other front offices that got it wrong before our front office did...And if he ever becomes an all star, yes diamond in the ruff but you want it right now...It's not going to happen right now because he wouldn't be the 17th pick..

I think that you are way more sold on Shumpert than I am.

Even so, u can't complain about the pick... It was an excellent pick for us..

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

So you are ready to say that Faried is a better pick than Shrump without seeing how they pan out??...Shrump is a diamond in the ruff, one could argue if done over Shrump is top 5...By the way, selecting a pick a year after they come out of school is way easier than doing it on draft day...

I am ready to say that it looks like Faried was the (way) better pick. How will it pan out? Who knows. If the draft would be today based on what we know, how would it go?

It certainly easier to do the year after that is precisely why I do not get paid to do this professionally. But I think that the knicks might have people on the payroll who should be able to forecast. Or, maybe not.

Wait a second, Shrump is currently projected above many picked before him...He was picked at 17th and he could be top 5...How could you complain about that...Hey we didn't get the top three of the draft, our front office much suck???... Are u kidding???

Shumpert was a good but as somebody mentioned before, why can't we get the diamond? The star? Why is it someone who picks after us. There were many duds picked before Shumpert and those other teams failed but I am sure they at least have a better track record.

Are you saying that our front office does not/has not sucked (in the draft)?

I'm saying u can't complain about a front office that gave u a top 5 pick at the 17th slot...There are at least 12 other front offices that got it wrong before our front office did...And if he ever becomes an all star, yes diamond in the ruff but you want it right now...It's not going to happen right now because he wouldn't be the 17th pick..

I think that you are way more sold on Shumpert than I am.

Even so, u can't complain about the pick... It was an excellent pick for us..

It was a very good pick especially with the track record. I just wish they got the better one. I am also glad the pick was not a top 10 pick because then they woulda drafted a stiff.

NUPE wrote:People are upset about the Shumpert pick now?!?! LoL!

Faried is a star all of a sudden?!?!?! LoL!

Shumpert's ceiling is Bruce Bowen now?!?!? LoL!

Knicks fans say the wildest things nowadays!

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

Because if we we did, he'd not pass the ball to Melo when he's not running the play and get left to sign with Houston, even though we could match...

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:Jeremy Lin is not the next Chris Paul. Lin will be a good player at very best but NOT REMOTELY a franchise player NOR a star. This season Lin will be marginally better than Felton on the offensive end and vastly inferior to Felton on the defensive end. I see people predicting 20 and 10 for Lin this season which is wholly ludicrous. I really don't get the incessant whining and crying regarding Lin. It's actually largely absurd. If you care that much about Lin, to the point where you actually desire to see the Knicks lose or fail, then then please become a Rockets fan and move on with your life.

Really, Knicks fans have a long history of over-hyping their young players while simultaneously hating the best players on the Knicks team. This is nothing new.

Don't need to go too far into the distant past for examples of this either, do we?

Like overrating shumpert

It's not a function of over rating a player..Last here most was very with what we saw in Shump...The fact that we don't do an about face because another player we could have selected is doing well doesn't mean we are homers or over rating said individual...It's just means some of us just don't role that way...I was very happy with the pick and will remain so..I'm happy Faried is doing well but I want to see Shrump put Wade on lockdown in June...

Fair enough. I just did not see Shump prove that he can be an Offensive 2. He is still young and can still improve - I am just not sold that it can happen.

Defensively, he is a home run.

But u do admit he can defensively change a game which many in this league can't..So he is special....

He is very good defensively. Bowen was a great defender too but he was also able to knock down a 3. Will shump get there? Who knows.

I agree, I’m extremely happy with Shump, by far one of my favorite Knicks (along with Chandler), but I wonder sometimes why is that we never ended up with the Rondo, Ibaka, Marc Gasol, Ginobli, Josh Smith, Parker, late first rounders that became near or all-stars.
Even Farid seems to have the motor to get there one day as well, may be we wouldn’t have to surrender many assets or over pay if we just draft better.

We are notorious for our awful drafts - can't argue that.

Even Gallo and Shump. We could have done/drafter better. But, like you said, why can't we get the diamond?

you need as many balls in the bin as you can to get that diamond.. more balls more chances.. knicks are notorious for trading picks.. starphuch......as they call it I guess..... I would love to have the picks back from the curry trade, marbury trade and especially the carmelo trade.... hard to find a diamond when you are busy chasing donkeys...

There is nothing wrong with trading pick in the right situations. We have not done it right.

LA traded 1st rounders for Nash. Was that correct for a guy at his age? We shall see.

Did we trade too much for Melo? Probably - we shall see.

However, the way we draft, we should trade all our picks.

trading for nash was the perfect situation LOL. "his age" 40 50 90 who has always been in supreme shape, is the essence of making others better, who is also the best passer in basketball with an aging bryant, an inept offensive center who will be finishing every perfectly-placed cookie from nash, and a power forward who hits elbow shots with ease when given the ball in rhythm. yeah we shall see.

did we trade too much for melo? by contrast with the lakers it was the worst possible situation to trade for him. only dolan could make such a colossal blunder and now this mediocre pawn grunwald has to clean up this mess while taking responsibility for his owner's fecklessness.

shumpert and gallo were solid picks geezus. so were fields and harrellson.

This is the perfect example of the grass is always greener ...

Nash is old and kobe is on his way down quickly. The lakers gave up 2 first rounders. We tried to give up shump and they said - NO WAY. I guess they did not think that highly of our top 5 pick - shump, and would rather the lakers 2 number 28's.

PHX certainly aint dumb. The team smart enough to not offer amare more than 3 years.

We will certainly see.

you don't get it-- this is both bryant and nash's last shot. this is a team that was assembled for win-now, with players that perfectly complement each other. bryant wants that last ring, perhaps two, and nash wants one as well. nash was not getting that here in ny with this group of guys. an argument can be made that they have a top 3 player at 4 out of 5 positions. they aren't waiting around to watch guys develop, like shumpert. medium risk, high reward. any of them could break down, that much is true.

outside of that the only caveat for LA is whether bryant is going to contribute to chemistry that will occur naturally among nash, howard, gasol, and artest. so far as phoenix not being dumb, their franchise point guard departed in good will and with their blessing.

this isn't grass being greener, this is their reloading according to a clear plan. that you can't see that or want to assert skepticism is fine but it does imply a bit of sour grapes.