gunsnewing wrote:They can win. The question is how far can they go?

knickscity wrote:

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IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnickFan - so you are saying that other than dunking in people's faces and protecting the paint, Tyson Chandler is not that good?

No i was talking about Novak. When did i ever mention Tyson? I love Tyson in fact i feel he is the captain. I also love Novak but i was just saying that his defense needs work. Misterearl i was agreeing with YOU

what it seems he is saying is does being one dimensional equals not that good?

exactly... he is good at shooting threes... that's it.. he is not even good at getting open, I guess I should use the miami series to highlight how he could not get many shots off.. I mean that is fair, we used one miami game to define lin's entire career.. right?

did Lin shoot 57% against Miami?

Novak shot well by the numbers against Miami in the playoffs but when he's referred to as 1 dimensional it couldn't be anymore true

4-9fg 44%
4-7fg 57%3pt

So of his 9fg attempts 80% of them were 3pt shots. Being that he played about 17min/gm over 5gms and only got off 9shots is indicative of his limitations.

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He played 17 minutes because guys were dropping like flies.

but the point was novak not being that good.

He is that good at what he does.

If he wasn't he wouldn't have shot 57% from three against the Heat.

The game isn't only about shooting 3s..... sorry you're having a very difficult time grasping this.

Not to mention look at what you said....

You said he played 17min/gm only because guys were dropping like flies which suggest he wouldn't have got that many minutes to begin with. Which means if "HE'S THAT GOOD" surely he's deserving of 17min/gm off the bench if he has the ability to shoot 57%, possibly better correct?

Go ahead and unscramble this if possible

He's a role player, what's so hard to figure out?

No the game isn't all about shooting threes, the game isn't all about watching a starting pg turn the ball over left and right either.

No matter how you slice it 575 is official.

But i will fully admit he needs to expand his game.

I have Novak figured out well along with his role. You're the one struggling mightily. Can Novak improve? Possibly so. I already stated this several posts ago. He needs opportunity to do so but as of now he's a specialist and more so one dimensional... nothing more.

I wasn't commenting on Lin, not sure why his name keeps coming up. We were referring to players on our team and how they fit into us being young or old. Lin isn't a Knick anymore, but going back to reviewing his game for the trillionth time I think any reasonable fan including those who liked what Lin brought to this team understood he wasn't a finished product.

I know fans like you and the likes want to wrap him up, put him in a box after 35-40 career gms now in Houston and conclude your analysis on him as finite but there's no way this would fly had he been re-signed remaining a Knick.

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knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

3G4G wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnickFan - so you are saying that other than dunking in people's faces and protecting the paint, Tyson Chandler is not that good?

No i was talking about Novak. When did i ever mention Tyson? I love Tyson in fact i feel he is the captain. I also love Novak but i was just saying that his defense needs work. Misterearl i was agreeing with YOU

what it seems he is saying is does being one dimensional equals not that good?

exactly... he is good at shooting threes... that's it.. he is not even good at getting open, I guess I should use the miami series to highlight how he could not get many shots off.. I mean that is fair, we used one miami game to define lin's entire career.. right?

did Lin shoot 57% against Miami?

Novak shot well by the numbers against Miami in the playoffs but when he's referred to as 1 dimensional it couldn't be anymore true

4-9fg 44%
4-7fg 57%3pt

So of his 9fg attempts 80% of them were 3pt shots. Being that he played about 17min/gm over 5gms and only got off 9shots is indicative of his limitations.

0fta
0ast
0stls
1blk
15reb

He played 17 minutes because guys were dropping like flies.

but the point was novak not being that good.

He is that good at what he does.

If he wasn't he wouldn't have shot 57% from three against the Heat.

The game isn't only about shooting 3s..... sorry you're having a very difficult time grasping this.

Not to mention look at what you said....

You said he played 17min/gm only because guys were dropping like flies which suggest he wouldn't have got that many minutes to begin with. Which means if "HE'S THAT GOOD" surely he's deserving of 17min/gm off the bench if he has the ability to shoot 57%, possibly better correct?

Go ahead and unscramble this if possible

He's a role player, what's so hard to figure out?

No the game isn't all about shooting threes, the game isn't all about watching a starting pg turn the ball over left and right either.

No matter how you slice it 575 is official.

But i will fully admit he needs to expand his game.

I have Novak figured out well along with his role. You're the one struggling mightily. Can Novak improve possibly so I already stated several posts ago. he needs opportunity to do so but as of now he's a specialist and more so one dimensional... nothing more.

I wasn't commenting on Lin, not sure why his name keeps coming up. We were referring to players on our team and how they fit into us being young or old. Lin isn't a Knick anymore, but going back to reviewing his game for the trillionth time I think any reasonable fan including those who liked what Lin brought to this team understood he wasn't a finished product.

I know fans like you and the likes want to wrap him up, put him in a box after 35-40gms career gms now in Houston and conclude your analysis on him as finite but there's no way this would fly had he been resigned remaining a Knick.

take a real good look into this quotefest and see how Lin and novak got brought into the convo.

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IrishKnickFan wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

Thank You Panos finally someone is thinking lol. I love Novak he is the best 3 point shooter in the game. But he is not a complete player on both sides of the courts. Now this doesnt mean he is "not that good" it just means that he has stregnths and weaknesses just like every nba player

IRISHKnicksfan, you seem like a pretty fair guy... let me ask you this..

is novak even an adequate defender? be honest here.. I don't think he is even adequate.

is novak even a decent passer? again be honest

is novak a decent rebounder?

Does novak move well without the ball?

I think an honest assesment will tell you that he is not really decent in any of these areas.. what he is tho, is a deadly three point shooter.... he does nothing else.. that dosen't make him a scrub, or bad, just "not that good" as a player... you can't be very good doing one thing and really bad in other areas, and be a "good" player... because if you are "not that good" then what are you?

Your first three points I'm not concerned with since we don't need Novak to do those. But, that fourth one is very concerning. He's honestly pretty terrible at moving without the ball and as long as his defender remembers to stay with him he's basically a nonfactor.

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tkf wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Panos wrote:

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

How about, he's not a complete player? You not only have to score, but prevent your opponent from scoring to win games.

Thank You Panos finally someone is thinking lol. I love Novak he is the best 3 point shooter in the game. But he is not a complete player on both sides of the courts. Now this doesnt mean he is "not that good" it just means that he has stregnths and weaknesses just like every nba player

IRISHKnicksfan, you seem like a pretty fair guy... let me ask you this..

is novak even an adequate defender? be honest here.. I don't think he is even adequate.

is novak even a decent passer? again be honest

is novak a decent rebounder?

Does novak move well without the ball?

I think an honest assesment will tell you that he is not really decent in any of these areas.. what he is tho, is a deadly three point shooter.... he does nothing else.. that dosen't make him a scrub, or bad, just "not that good" as a player... you can't be very good doing one thing and really bad in other areas, and be a "good" player... because if you are "not that good" then what are you?

Your first three points I'm not concerned with since we don't need Novak to do those. But, that fourth one is very concerning. He's honestly pretty terrible at moving without the ball and as long as his defender remembers to stay with him he's basically a nonfactor.

So if you have to respect this player it moves a defender from a potential switch. And really Melo and Amare can be offensively unstoppable one on one.

Novak creates space. Miami's defense was crazy last year. Fasted I have ever seen.

Wonder why Tyson got taken out of games in the olympics? Dude can't shoot and his man can leave him to help.

misterearl wrote:IrishKnick - When tkf drops Steve Novak is "not that good" it is not only less factorial than most comments, it is downright arrogant in its dismissive flair.

Novak drains three's better than most players shoot from the field. 47 percent. He is the best sniper in the league. tkf labels that as "not that good"?

"not that good" as what?

C'mon Son!

Hahahaha! Now that's funny. Earl calling someone arrogant. Hahaha

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Panos wrote:Hahahaha! Now that's funny. Earl calling someone arrogant. Hahaha

Not nearly as funny as selectively commenting on something written nearly 20 days ago.

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How much does MSG or Martin and Andrew pay you for you fluffy posts.