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tkf
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10/5/2012  6:56 PM
nixluva wrote:Boston is a tough team. They'll be at the top of the East along with the Heat and Knicks. It's not like this team was ever as complete as the Celtics in particular at the PG spot. In addition the Knicks lacked quality at SG and depth overall. The Knicks also had issues with the health of STAT and Melo and neither was really in top form after a summer with no training. THIS YEAR is different. To all the naysayers I think you need to acknowledge the differences between this Knicks team and last years Knicks team. I'm not throwing bouquets without substance. My points are salient and make sense based on the TRUTH of this current Knicks team and the situation being much more stable this year than last year. Also you can kiss my A** if you don't like my stance on the team. Come with some real substantive arguments against my points rather than the usual lame "Nix is just being positive" statements.

Tell me if the team is weaker now than last year! HOW SO? In what way is this Knicks team not head and shoulders better than last years Knicks team? If i'm just being Pollyanna about this team and drinking the Koolaid, show us how this team is weaker than the team that finished 18-6 and #5 in defense.

we had like two different teams last year.. saying we are better than last year has yet to be seen and really isn't saying much.. boston was a top seed and they improved.. yet you have boston as if they have to catch up with us..... your arguments are based on a lot of hope, there really is no basis to support the knicks being a top seed.. there is a lot of evidence to support boston being a top team tho...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/5/2012  7:08 PM
tkf wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


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That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

By that logic, replacing Lin with Felton (who can stay on the court) is a huge upgrade. :P

The things that Terry does better, the Celts don't really need. They need to spread the floor for Rondo to be effective. Terry is a very good player. He just isn't Ray Allen.

ray allen lost his starting job to Bradley, bradley can hit the three and defend like crazy.. bradley will be back..

terry scores and defense, can play both guard positions and he can play the mid range game... terry is a great addition...

the ray allen that left boston isn't the ray allen of a couple of years ago...

I wasn't arguing he was the same. My argument is that they are not better without him.

Admitted I forgot about Bradley.

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10/5/2012  7:33 PM
tkf wrote:
nixluva wrote:Boston is a tough team. They'll be at the top of the East along with the Heat and Knicks. It's not like this team was ever as complete as the Celtics in particular at the PG spot. In addition the Knicks lacked quality at SG and depth overall. The Knicks also had issues with the health of STAT and Melo and neither was really in top form after a summer with no training. THIS YEAR is different. To all the naysayers I think you need to acknowledge the differences between this Knicks team and last years Knicks team. I'm not throwing bouquets without substance. My points are salient and make sense based on the TRUTH of this current Knicks team and the situation being much more stable this year than last year. Also you can kiss my A** if you don't like my stance on the team. Come with some real substantive arguments against my points rather than the usual lame "Nix is just being positive" statements.

Tell me if the team is weaker now than last year! HOW SO? In what way is this Knicks team not head and shoulders better than last years Knicks team? If i'm just being Pollyanna about this team and drinking the Koolaid, show us how this team is weaker than the team that finished 18-6 and #5 in defense.

we had like two different teams last year.. saying we are better than last year has yet to be seen and really isn't saying much.. boston was a top seed and they improved.. yet you have boston as if they have to catch up with us..... your arguments are based on a lot of hope, there really is no basis to support the knicks being a top seed.. there is a lot of evidence to support boston being a top team tho...

What are you talking about? I have Miami, Boston and NY at the top of the East, so i'm not saying Boston isn't going to be good. Boston was only 3 games better and they were almost fully healthy whereas the Knicks were not. Boston's core had been together for years and the Knicks hadn't. My point is that all this BS about the Knicks not being a top team is baseless. In what way is this team not significantly improved?

The team we ended the season with is not better than the team we have now!!! Adding Felton, Kidd, Brewer and Camby is a HUGE upgrade over last year's team. All those fans that are poo pooing this roster are not doing it with any kind of honest analysis IMO.

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10/5/2012  7:41 PM
tkf wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


Terry
Lee
Green
Darko
Sullinger


That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

By that logic, replacing Lin with Felton (who can stay on the court) is a huge upgrade. :P

The things that Terry does better, the Celts don't really need. They need to spread the floor for Rondo to be effective. Terry is a very good player. He just isn't Ray Allen.

ray allen lost his starting job to Bradley, bradley can hit the three and defend like crazy.. bradley will be back..

terry scores and defense, can play both guard positions and he can play the mid range game... terry is a great addition...

the ray allen that left boston isn't the ray allen of a couple of years ago...


That's what EG didn't get with the comparison of players we have "NOW" vs those we had then at their "BEST" as Knicks and the circumstances surrounding them, the personalities and some had similar characteristics in their game but not in every comparison. Obviously if you're comparing "CAREERS" there isn't much comparison but that's not what I was comparing.

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10/5/2012  8:46 PM
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


Terry
Lee
Green
Darko
Sullinger


That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

I find your injury comment interesting. Are you comparing a 37 yr old who has missed 134 games in a 15 yr career to a 24 year old that has missed 98 games in a four year career?
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10/5/2012  9:40 PM
tkf wrote:
chandler had this quiet confidence about his game.. both were effective..

The interesting thing about this quote is that if you google this site with TKF and Chandler, you will find quotes from TKF stating how ineffective Chandler was at most everything but taking an open shot and being able to guard the second stringers from other teams. LOL, guess if he stayed on the Knicks you would still dislike him, but now that he was traded away, he is that "cool confident effective type of player."

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10/5/2012  10:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


Terry
Lee
Green
Darko
Sullinger


That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

I find your injury comment interesting. Are you comparing a 37 yr old who has missed 134 games in a 15 yr career to a 24 year old that has missed 98 games in a four year career?

Nope I'm comparing Walter Ray Allen Jr. to Jason Eugene Terry not sure how you missed that or if you're pulling a past convo into this one that's totally irrelevant.

Yes Gallo has missed a lot of games in his career but he isn't a finished product and we didn't make a 1-to-1 trade say like the example above.

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10/5/2012  10:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/5/2012  10:17 PM
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


Terry
Lee
Green
Darko
Sullinger


That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

I find your injury comment interesting. Are you comparing a 37 yr old who has missed 134 games in a 15 yr career to a 24 year old that has missed 98 games in a four year career?

Nope I'm comparing Walter Ray Allen Jr. to Jason Eugene Terry not sure how you missed that or if you're pulling a past convo into this one that's totally irrelevant.

Yes Gallo has missed a lot of games in his career but he isn't a finished product and we didn't make a 1-to-1 trade say like the example above.

I got it from the quote that I bolded.
Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player
So when you say how we weigh injuries on this side of town, you are talking about how people feel about Ray Allen's 15th season?
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10/6/2012  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/6/2012  12:49 PM
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
3G4G wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Rajon Rondo told me he was more confident in his 3-point shot and had been working hard on it. Form on 3 he just hit looked best it ever had


Ray Allen barely played last year and we he did he played hurt. A healthy Terry and Lee is an upgrade on that reason alone

Not buying Rondo, Terry and/or Lee as an upgrade for Allen. Allen played 46 out of 66 games. Allen shot 45.3% from 3. I do not think anyone on the Celts can spread the floor the way Allen did.


Allen missed 20gms according to the numbers you posted...Terry played 63 for the record. Considering how much we weigh injuries on this side of town uhmmmmmm Ray's games missed were huge wouldn't you say? If they acquired what could prove to be a more durable player I think it's reasonable to say Terry makes up a lot of what was missing in Ray, health being one of them.

Jason Terry shot 38% from 3pt range last year. This is a very good percentage. He shot slightly worse the year prior to, you know the year they won the Chip but he had a helluva series after Game 2 in the Finals. He doesn't have to shoot 40% or 46% to replace Ray. Here's what Terry can do better than Ray, get his own shot inside the arc, better off the dribble pull up midrange game, and better penetration game.

I'll agree with you on Rondo still have to see it to believe it, but he's shown a steady improvement in his play throughout his young career.


Terry
Lee
Green
Darko
Sullinger


That's near incredible additions in an off-season considering their costs

I find your injury comment interesting. Are you comparing a 37 yr old who has missed 134 games in a 15 yr career to a 24 year old that has missed 98 games in a four year career?

Yes Gallo has missed a lot of games in his career but he isn't a finished product and we didn't make a 1-to-1 trade say like the example above.

Yes, by all means let's all check back in on Gallo when he's had 10 full years in the league. He should be a finished product by then.

Finished, like, out of the league finished.

What IF we get eliminated in the first again?

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