dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:I value a chance to win.

Melo provides that as the best player on the team.

Gallo provides help to a team that already has better players on it.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

No one knows what Gallo will become, but right now he's an above average role player.

there is absolutely no proof to support that...

and him being the best player on the team is debatable as an argument for amare can be made, easily.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

silly in the way you are trying to compare them... you guys cry that melo should not take the blame because it is a TEAM game, yet you use the "who is better " rule when we talk about player impact and success...

but right now he's an above average role player.

call it what you want, I am not going to argue that, but he is a key player on denver, a starter and one of their leading scorers, since arriving in denver their team has had a better record than ours..

evidence is just not supporting your argument.

pretty simple, I am sure you can sit here and make the argument that carmelo is better than ginobili.. better scorer that is.. but give me ginobili any day over melo.. especially when trying to build a team with depth.

if you want a team where one player dominates the ball and you can get chills as he goes through his scoring streaks but never win anything significant.. then melo is your man....

if you want to win and build a team of "basketball players".... then it is not so crazy to think that someone else may find guys like gallo more appealing..

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

that is pretty much equivalent to coming in 4th place in a race where only the top 3 place.... that top 15 player stuff is the most useless argument I have ever heard.. next to the myth of being the "best pure scorer"...

a top 15 player and believe me he is closer to 15, is not going to make that much more, if any, of an impact than a guy who is ranked 20 or 25 or even 30... the gap between the elite and the rest of the league is that huge.. which is why you need to win with a system, with players committed to playing in that system, devoted to being in peak shape, and devoted to playing team ball on both ends.... if you can't land one of those top dogs, you need to have a solid plan, one that includes a progression of improvement and not trying to cheat the system with shortcuts...

Like I said I want to win.

We don't make the playoffs at if Melo had not turned on the jets during the finals stretch, enough for the entire NBA world to credit him as such, but fans, not so much.

Is Gallo or Ginobili in your examples gonna do that? These guys are not number one options definitely not Gallo, and it's even arguable that Gallo might be the weakest link their starting lineup.

Definitely the most inconsistent.

Look, I'm not professing Melo as the best thing since the wheel,and he has a world of faults to correct, but the guy is a legit player and few can be called top 15 in the game.

There is no myth about it, unless you can name 15 players who are better, and I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better.

You hate the guy, for whatever reason, and that's fine, I hate some players too.

But I'm willing to give the guy, and the team a fair chance, a chance that the majority of champions have had.......

A full season to get it right, and then see what becomes of it.

but your not willing to do that, and that is quite sad.

you don't win by asking who are the best 15 players and at the same time neglect to ask who is the best fit for a team.

it's a team game not a one-one-one tournament so "best" comes with an asterisk. better to ask which players are the most adaptable to playing any style and who are also best at contributing to cohesion. that's why you have MVP awards not BP awards in basketball.

the fact that your angle is "I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better" is the basis for a faulty argument. yes okay fine, in a fantasy-world vacuum melo is better than gallinari. how much better is arguable. twice as good? don't know about that. and in a team context he appears to make others worse, like fields and lin and stoudemire.

now two things could change all that: being able to run a pick and roll and passing out of converging double teams. if he learns to do those two things the knicks will be a much better team.

i am not holding my breath for that to happen.

How do u quantify that..Where do u guys get this stuff from???..So Now Melo is responsible for Field's jumper going south??...Now Melo is responsible for Amare injuries and lack of a pick and roll PG???...Now Melo is responsible for the league scouting Lin and playing tougher defense and facing better teams??..Where do u get this stuff from???

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:I value a chance to win.

Melo provides that as the best player on the team.

Gallo provides help to a team that already has better players on it.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

No one knows what Gallo will become, but right now he's an above average role player.

there is absolutely no proof to support that...

and him being the best player on the team is debatable as an argument for amare can be made, easily.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

silly in the way you are trying to compare them... you guys cry that melo should not take the blame because it is a TEAM game, yet you use the "who is better " rule when we talk about player impact and success...

but right now he's an above average role player.

call it what you want, I am not going to argue that, but he is a key player on denver, a starter and one of their leading scorers, since arriving in denver their team has had a better record than ours..

evidence is just not supporting your argument.

pretty simple, I am sure you can sit here and make the argument that carmelo is better than ginobili.. better scorer that is.. but give me ginobili any day over melo.. especially when trying to build a team with depth.

if you want a team where one player dominates the ball and you can get chills as he goes through his scoring streaks but never win anything significant.. then melo is your man....

if you want to win and build a team of "basketball players".... then it is not so crazy to think that someone else may find guys like gallo more appealing..

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

that is pretty much equivalent to coming in 4th place in a race where only the top 3 place.... that top 15 player stuff is the most useless argument I have ever heard.. next to the myth of being the "best pure scorer"...

a top 15 player and believe me he is closer to 15, is not going to make that much more, if any, of an impact than a guy who is ranked 20 or 25 or even 30... the gap between the elite and the rest of the league is that huge.. which is why you need to win with a system, with players committed to playing in that system, devoted to being in peak shape, and devoted to playing team ball on both ends.... if you can't land one of those top dogs, you need to have a solid plan, one that includes a progression of improvement and not trying to cheat the system with shortcuts...

Like I said I want to win.

We don't make the playoffs at if Melo had not turned on the jets during the finals stretch, enough for the entire NBA world to credit him as such, but fans, not so much.

Is Gallo or Ginobili in your examples gonna do that? These guys are not number one options definitely not Gallo, and it's even arguable that Gallo might be the weakest link their starting lineup.

Definitely the most inconsistent.

Look, I'm not professing Melo as the best thing since the wheel,and he has a world of faults to correct, but the guy is a legit player and few can be called top 15 in the game.

There is no myth about it, unless you can name 15 players who are better, and I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better.

You hate the guy, for whatever reason, and that's fine, I hate some players too.

But I'm willing to give the guy, and the team a fair chance, a chance that the majority of champions have had.......

A full season to get it right, and then see what becomes of it.

but your not willing to do that, and that is quite sad.

you don't win by asking who are the best 15 players and at the same time neglect to ask who is the best fit for a team.

it's a team game not a one-one-one tournament so "best" comes with an asterisk. better to ask which players are the most adaptable to playing any style and who are also best at contributing to cohesion. that's why you have MVP awards not BP awards in basketball.

the fact that your angle is "I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better" is the basis for a faulty argument. yes okay fine, in a fantasy-world vacuum melo is better than gallinari. how much better is arguable. twice as good? don't know about that. and in a team context he appears to make others worse, like fields and lin and stoudemire.

now two things could change all that: being able to run a pick and roll and passing out of converging double teams. if he learns to do those two things the knicks will be a much better team.

i am not holding my breath for that to happen.

How do u quantify that..Where do u guys get this stuff from???..So Now Melo is responsible for Field's jumper going south??...Now Melo is responsible for Amare injuries and lack of a pick and roll PG???...Now Melo is responsible for the league scouting Lin and playing tougher defense and facing better teams??..Where do u get this stuff from???

here is what i do: i watch the games and carefully. i take account of how often i see a good decision being made with the ball and how often a bad decision is made with the ball. when bad decisions outnumber good decisions i begin to look at if and how those bad decisions negatively affect that player's teammates and chemistry. if there were a stat that listed the number of poor decisions a player made with the ball that would bring people out of their fantasy-worlds and into the reality that would be great: missing cutters, forcing shots, leaving ones feet without a plan, not passing in a timely fashion, not passing out of doubles; without the ball: playing defense with arms instead of feet, not boxing out for a rebound, not rotating to an open spot on the floor to become a target for the doubled teammate, etc. etc. in other words i would watch a player based on my experience playing and studying the sport for lo these many many years.

is the player (1) playing alongside others, or better still (2) playing with others? or best of all, is the player (3) playing for others?

then i will take note of which teammate's game gets worse, is unaffected, or in fact improves.

a case can be made for any of these players being "better" than carmelo anthony in terms of overall impact.

tkf's list will probably be different but not by much i'll bet.

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:lebron
durant
chris paul
pierce
rondo
bryant
marc gasol
pau gasol
dirk
garnett
wade
dwight howard
tim duncan
hibbert
love
deron williams

a case can be made for any of these players being "better" than carmelo anthony in terms of overall impact.

tkf's list will probably be different but not by much i'll bet.

Nyu Uh!!

#NBArank has Melo ahead of Hibbert, Pierce, Duncan, Marc Gasol and Garnett!

This list is fail!

as i said a case can be made. i'm sure the good folks at #NBArank have their very objective reasons for ranking differently from me.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:I value a chance to win.

Melo provides that as the best player on the team.

Gallo provides help to a team that already has better players on it.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

No one knows what Gallo will become, but right now he's an above average role player.

there is absolutely no proof to support that...

and him being the best player on the team is debatable as an argument for amare can be made, easily.

Really this is downright silly to even compare the two.

silly in the way you are trying to compare them... you guys cry that melo should not take the blame because it is a TEAM game, yet you use the "who is better " rule when we talk about player impact and success...

but right now he's an above average role player.

call it what you want, I am not going to argue that, but he is a key player on denver, a starter and one of their leading scorers, since arriving in denver their team has had a better record than ours..

evidence is just not supporting your argument.

pretty simple, I am sure you can sit here and make the argument that carmelo is better than ginobili.. better scorer that is.. but give me ginobili any day over melo.. especially when trying to build a team with depth.

if you want a team where one player dominates the ball and you can get chills as he goes through his scoring streaks but never win anything significant.. then melo is your man....

if you want to win and build a team of "basketball players".... then it is not so crazy to think that someone else may find guys like gallo more appealing..

Melo is a top 15 player in the league.

that is pretty much equivalent to coming in 4th place in a race where only the top 3 place.... that top 15 player stuff is the most useless argument I have ever heard.. next to the myth of being the "best pure scorer"...

a top 15 player and believe me he is closer to 15, is not going to make that much more, if any, of an impact than a guy who is ranked 20 or 25 or even 30... the gap between the elite and the rest of the league is that huge.. which is why you need to win with a system, with players committed to playing in that system, devoted to being in peak shape, and devoted to playing team ball on both ends.... if you can't land one of those top dogs, you need to have a solid plan, one that includes a progression of improvement and not trying to cheat the system with shortcuts...

Like I said I want to win.

We don't make the playoffs at if Melo had not turned on the jets during the finals stretch, enough for the entire NBA world to credit him as such, but fans, not so much.

Is Gallo or Ginobili in your examples gonna do that? These guys are not number one options definitely not Gallo, and it's even arguable that Gallo might be the weakest link their starting lineup.

Definitely the most inconsistent.

Look, I'm not professing Melo as the best thing since the wheel,and he has a world of faults to correct, but the guy is a legit player and few can be called top 15 in the game.

There is no myth about it, unless you can name 15 players who are better, and I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better.

You hate the guy, for whatever reason, and that's fine, I hate some players too.

But I'm willing to give the guy, and the team a fair chance, a chance that the majority of champions have had.......

A full season to get it right, and then see what becomes of it.

but your not willing to do that, and that is quite sad.

you don't win by asking who are the best 15 players and at the same time neglect to ask who is the best fit for a team.

it's a team game not a one-one-one tournament so "best" comes with an asterisk. better to ask which players are the most adaptable to playing any style and who are also best at contributing to cohesion. that's why you have MVP awards not BP awards in basketball.

the fact that your angle is "I'm not saying fit, I'm saying better" is the basis for a faulty argument. yes okay fine, in a fantasy-world vacuum melo is better than gallinari. how much better is arguable. twice as good? don't know about that. and in a team context he appears to make others worse, like fields and lin and stoudemire.

now two things could change all that: being able to run a pick and roll and passing out of converging double teams. if he learns to do those two things the knicks will be a much better team.

i am not holding my breath for that to happen.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

dk what I find odd are the carmelo followers are always bringing up gallo when ever carmelo is criticized.. they forget we traded chandler, moz, and picks....

I thought the standard was going to be raised when carmelo got here.. so far it hasn't, and trying to belittle gallo is ridiculous... we were fine with the kids, on a steady progression of improvement...

when carmelo flaws are pointed out, they go right after gallo.. I mean is that supposed to make the trade better? LOL.. gallo is part of a team that is doing well and don't have the problems we have, I don't get the criticism here...

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the only logical move that woodson should make is what walt frazier has recently suggested: have amare come off the bench. there he can play the finisher in the pick and roll (isn't that prigoni's specialty? kidd is probably adequate in the pick and roll too), be the main guy (like we saw the first 60 games of 2010-11), work on whatever post-up game he may be able to develop against weaker bench defenders.

it is just that simple.

100 MIL MAN coming off bench? ouch.... PR nightmare especially if we still don't win..

acquiring carmelo came at a very high initial price but the residual effects continue to resonate. it wasn't only losing chandler, gallo, mozgov. it also immediately meant that d'antoni, stoudemire, and fields would become marginalized. i am not optimistic that woodson can figure this out. i know the players can't-- they don;t have the tools or the mindset.

it could be a PR nightmare but then the upside is if the knicks start winning it washes away many sins. stoudemire needs redemption. he got shafted in the melo trade.

Let's pretend you are trying to be objective and I'll give you reasons why the Knicks had to make the trade...With STAT playing out of his mind and at MVP levels, Knicks weren't much better than a .500 team...There was no way the Amare would have kept up that performance...I remember starting a thread that said there is no way Amare keeps this up, he needs help...Gallo and Will wasn't ready to step into a number two role...Heck, two years later, they still aren't ready...Felton was our second best player, think about that....The Knicks went all in giving Amare 100 mil...They weren't about to let their young players develop on a team paying Amare 100 mil for shets and giggles...They didn't hire MDA at 6 mil per to nurture kids...

gallo is arguable the number two player on denver.. a team with a better record than us...

So Gallo and Melo are equal in value?...MDA is no longer the coach, we play defense now...

we paid a number two player max money at 20 million a year, they paid half that for gallo, ie the right price. and yes gallinari is an appreciably better defender than anthony. woodson would love a player who plays defense like gallinari.

Yeah but Gallo only plays about half a season every year. He averages 56 games per year on the court. I will have to tune into more Denver games to see Gallo's new found prowess. Last I read he was hoping to be over shoulder and back injuries by training camp. Is he going to be ready to for the start of camp this year?

half a season? 82/2= 41. you included his rookie season which is a bit unfair since he was hurt in a summer league game and apparently had a growth-spurt related stenosis condition that has since been addressed. any back issues since then? nope. throw that out and gallo has averaged 62 games a season.

here's carmelo:

2006-2007 65 games 6th seed
2008-2009 66 games 2nd seed
2009-2010 69 games 4th seed
2011-2012 55 games 7th seed

he averages 63 games a season. that's for a 20-million dollar player who has gotten out of the first round once. yikes

carmelo and his devoted followers should probably cut down on ingesting thc... just sayin'

dk what I find odd are the carmelo followers are always bringing up gallo when ever carmelo is criticized.. they forget we traded chandler, moz, and picks....

I thought the standard was going to be raised when carmelo got here.. so far it hasn't, and trying to belittle gallo is ridiculous... we were fine with the kids, on a steady progression of improvement...

when carmelo flaws are pointed out, they go right after gallo.. I mean is that supposed to make the trade better? LOL.. gallo is part of a team that is doing well and don't have the problems we have, I don't get the criticism here...

tkf it's sad. i mean it's obvious that carmelo is a divisive figure. at least half the nba fanbase, uninformed as it is, doesn't think that highly of carmelo anthony. someone asked you for a list of 15 players "better" than carmelo and i gave them a list. meanwhile, espn (yuck) puts him at 17th. as you implied, there is a huge gap between the best 5 or 6 players and the next tiers. melo is practically two tiers away by that reckoning. not a franchise talent like your top 5 or 6 players by any stretch yet paid like one. the money he receives is misleading in terms of his actual value and paradoxically the basis for his being over-valued. "he is being paid max money so he must be a max money player!"

carmelo anthony supporters are a lot like carmelo. lots of swag but underneath insecure. so they blame the victim(s)in melo's path of underacievement and destruction. to justify the value of the trade they devalue the players that dolan was happy to ship out. just like carmelo saying lin's contract was ridiculous. and on a different note just look at the olympics: did that not cement that melo is a number two type player and not a franchise player? "he was doing what the coaches told him to do." uhhh... no. "we didn't bring melo here to create and defend we brought him here to score." again... no.

not for max money AND 3.5 rotation players.

gallo was the best player in that travesty of a trade so he is an easy target: suspected of nepotism from the jump, european, herky-jerky, an intangibles player, an "advanced stat" player, gets under the skin of his assignments. he threatens the status quo that american players are better at playing winning basketball. most fans are too young to register that european coaches have valued team-oriented basketball that they learned from the americans back in the 60s and 70s when the talent and skill gap was so huge. meanwhile stern and the ncaa has conspired to ruin the american game in pursuit of commerce.

the knicks didn't need to upgrade at small forward they needed to upgrade at point guard. that was walsh's plan before melo and dolan shoved walsh aside.

and now melo has to justify his displacing of walsh and his plan, walsh and his coach, walsh and his first max acquisition, losing the players walsh brought in in gallo, fields, and harrelson.

melo has a lot to prove and the clock is ticking.

Can you two possibly merge? Or, are you already merged?

I personally don't care if Melo is top 5 or top 20. Contracts and player value is mostly determined by the market. What are teams willing to pay for him. For Melo, any team with the ability to get him and/or had the cap space would have jumped and would still today.

As far as Amare, the only other team willing to sign him was phx at 40 million less than we paid. Nice going Mr. Walsh.

Chandler was an FA that was not going to be resigned and Gallo probably got more than he is worth based on his market value.

The pressure is on everyone - Melo, Amare, Felton, Woody, Isiah and Chandler