ChuckBuck wrote:Winning cures all ills. Until Melo wins us a chip, he will be forever be crucified by fans and media alike. Remember Lebron was public enemy number 1 in Miami, but that sentiment started to change once he won this past season. He's still a douche, but the championship monkey is off his back. Until that happens, Melo will forever have that stigma for costing too much to provide so little.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning cures all ills. Until Melo wins us a chip, he will be forever be crucified by fans and media alike. Remember Lebron was public enemy number 1 in Miami, but that sentiment started to change once he won this past season. He's still a douche, but the championship monkey is off his back. Until that happens, Melo will forever have that stigma for costing too much to provide so little.

and right now its really providing little. Thats what his minions dont get. Amare has paid some dividends. Enough to justify his current deal? No... he's got plenty to prove also, but before we had Amare we were a leaderless perrenial lottery team. He came in, lead the NBA in 4th qtr scoring, was a leader to the young guys and the Knicks became a playoff team and there where some really bigtime quality wins before Melo got here. Amare hasnt "accomplished" crap here, but there was still something to point to that Amare accomplished since becoming a Knick. Still waiting for anything tangible from Melo, aside from a wax statue which could actually take his place on the court when he's not jacking up shots.

Come on fish, be fair and honest...What Melo did last year to carry the Knicks to the playoffs wasn't on par if not bigger than what Amare has done here for half a season??...To me, Melo was the only guy that has showed up in the playoffs for two years now...The 18-6 run was powered by Melo, that was his defining NY moment to me...Amare changed the culture and I loved that but Melo showed Knicks fans he can carry the team and can close....Now Amare has to regain some of that energy to make us competitive...Time to get over Gallo bro...

Melo is Bernard King, capble of putting huge runs that are memorable and grow in stature over time.

King had a few great seasons but his career was marked early with being aloof and very self centered. He became a star of sorts but his HOF eludes him for reasons. His maturity and intensity was great for him and fans. Loved watching him play!

But he lacks bling.

Melo had one stretch of "18-6" which we can at least hang on him and be happy about. Im sure he carried Denver for stretches but as we all know save for one time has not carried them past the first round. Before that stretch he sort of **** all over the team for being out of shape, being selfish, injuries, etc.

So we have melo and Amare both in shape and with a good outlook, a good deep roster but one that I think lacks in the Back court.

Melo has earned his reputation and I think its "fair". While I would not go all out with TKF on his assessment of him, at the other spectrum I would not "Starphuckedly" inflate his presence into the realm some of you embraced "18-6" and extropolate that into the future as justification that Gallo should not say anything negative.

First off it is not entirely accurate what he really meant by his statement and how the question was asked to him. Language is not easily translated. Gallo knows what a freaking clown Dolan is and understands the MSG method.

The trade, as I have said before will be determined over a 5 year period. We are not two years into it.

To evaluate the trade one has to consider Gallo, Wilson, Moz and two no. 1 picks.

Its why we watch the games.

Still waiting for something of the above to change. When it does I will happily acknowledge. Right now Melo is about as excited as the Facebook IPO. Knicks built a team to play for a title. Size, veteran guards and a coach whose focus is defense. This is the year to show up or shutup for all these donkees

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I have realized with you. Its all about Logical/Analytical reasoning - and, you don't possess these wonderful tools.

Meat, Potatoes and Stew. Its a wonderful life (I'm sure)

you can keep attacking me personally, it just shows you have no argument, I ripped your ass to shreds, and it shows, there is nothing logical with your argument, all you are doing is making excuses... it is logical to understand that the reason why the other guys have won is because they are just better players... but in your mind, your logic says no they aren't, they had help... yet when it has been pointed out that carmelo did have help, then you down play the players on his team....

let me ask you this before I shut it down MR logic... the knicks now have camby, much older, they have kidd, much older,,they have a 35 year old euro guard.....tell me, who do they have that is going to carry carmelo's fat ass? if camby wasn't good enough back then, how does he factor in now? if carmelo doesn't have a wade or shaq, then why should we believe he can help the knicks win now.... where is the logic in that.. you are basically defeating your own argument, in such true, but expected fashion... he still has to face lebron, wade, garnett, pierce allen, rondo.... LOL. .nothing has changed.. are you gearing up, getting your new excuses ready?

which is why it made no sense selling the farm to bring his wack azz here.....

this is tkf's magic 'win the argument' formula:

1. _____, you can keep be childish
2. state 'tkf won this fight!'
3. state 'opponent's argument makes no sense!'
4. <restate ramble>
5. belittle the poster he's arguing with in an attempt to bait

ACTUALLY MY "win argument" formula, depending on the poster, lets say yourself, is to let the poster... keep posting...

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning cures all ills. Until Melo wins us a chip, he will be forever be crucified by fans and media alike. Remember Lebron was public enemy number 1 in Miami, but that sentiment started to change once he won this past season. He's still a douche, but the championship monkey is off his back. Until that happens, Melo will forever have that stigma for costing too much to provide so little.

and right now its really providing little. Thats what his minions dont get. Amare has paid some dividends. Enough to justify his current deal? No... he's got plenty to prove also, but before we had Amare we were a leaderless perrenial lottery team. He came in, lead the NBA in 4th qtr scoring, was a leader to the young guys and the Knicks became a playoff team and there where some really bigtime quality wins before Melo got here. Amare hasnt "accomplished" crap here, but there was still something to point to that Amare accomplished since becoming a Knick. Still waiting for anything tangible from Melo, aside from a wax statue which could actually take his place on the court when he's not jacking up shots.

+100

Melo, aside from a wax statue which could actually take his place on the court when he's not jacking up shots.

+500

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning cures all ills. Until Melo wins us a chip, he will be forever be crucified by fans and media alike. Remember Lebron was public enemy number 1 in Miami, but that sentiment started to change once he won this past season. He's still a douche, but the championship monkey is off his back. Until that happens, Melo will forever have that stigma for costing too much to provide so little.

and right now its really providing little. Thats what his minions dont get. Amare has paid some dividends. Enough to justify his current deal? No... he's got plenty to prove also, but before we had Amare we were a leaderless perrenial lottery team. He came in, lead the NBA in 4th qtr scoring, was a leader to the young guys and the Knicks became a playoff team and there where some really bigtime quality wins before Melo got here. Amare hasnt "accomplished" crap here, but there was still something to point to that Amare accomplished since becoming a Knick. Still waiting for anything tangible from Melo, aside from a wax statue which could actually take his place on the court when he's not jacking up shots.

Come on fish, be fair and honest...What Melo did last year to carry the Knicks to the playoffs wasn't on par if not bigger than what Amare has done here for half a season??...To me, Melo was the only guy that has showed up in the playoffs for two years now...The 18-6 run was powered by Melo, that was his defining NY moment to me...Amare changed the culture and I loved that but Melo showed Knicks fans he can carry the team and can close....Now Amare has to regain some of that energy to make us competitive...Time to get over Gallo bro...

was the 18-6 more defining then sitting and pouting and quitting on the coach? Dude, he HAD to perform. He quit on a coach and got him canned or however you want to spin it, Melo HAD TO to play great and he did. But we already had some nice streaks before Melo didnt we? Thats my point.

Wow.. pretty low standards no? Dude loafs and quits, puts in one great month before another one and done in the playoffs and thats his defining moment. I guess waiting to be impressed by that one makes me a hater. Getting used to that role..

I really don't agree with people assessment on Melo quitting...MDA wasn't using the him properly...Melo isn't a stand in the corner type of player...U wouldn't ask Bernard King to be a spot up shooter then when he didn't perform he quit...Come on...Call it for what it is...Please admit MDA had it all wrong...MDA is trying to fit everyone tightly into his system, dude isn't coaching...

you wouldn't ask bernard that because he was a 50+% FG shooter, he earns the right to take shots where he wants, carmelo is a 45% shooter who shoots a lot, it is not worth changing your offensive philosophy to fit that guy's desires to chuck..

DurzoBlint wrote:TK went from one of the most positive Knickfans; one of the most likeable posters here to.....
I still have too much respect for you to go there but, WOW

well I am glad you still respect me, just because we don't agree doesn't mean we can't be civil.... I always believe in that..

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:TKF,

Your circumvention of the facts in your arguments are comical and extremely partisan.

Not everyone is capable of being rational.

Have fun in la la land.

Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and PJAX

Wade had Lebron, Bosh and Shaq

Pierce had KG, Allen and Rondo

Melo had uh uh um uh - CAMBY!! Yay - good point! Oh and of course Andre Miller! Did I mention that he had the HOF AI?

You might just not be capable of getting it (logically). Its like trying to teach a student with an IQ of 60.

here is where your argument fails.. you fail to recognize all of those guys were great in their own right, they were and are all better than carmelo...

your crutch is that they had one another.... and poor carmelo has no one.. well ask.. why in the hell did we ante up the farm to get him...

For the billionth time, lets check the "farm", shall we?

Felton - back on the team for next to nothing, Check
Gallo - injured, sporadic scoring at best, 3pt game in Denver's last playoff closeout loss. Now has something to say about the Knicks. 2 years later. Check
Wilson - China's greatest free agent. Injured. Check
Moz - who? Possibly Denver's greatest 3rd string center ever. This decade's greatest Fred Weis moment. Check

tkf, your hate is blindingly apparent. Let it go. You'll live longer and happier. Guarantee your blood pressure will go down 10 points.

Just sayin.

WE ALSO gave up 4 picks.... two young talented player, a young big, we also lost Anthony randolph in the deal and gave them a huge salary dump by moving curry elsewhere.. yes we gave up the farm for a guy,everyone admits can't beat the teams with real superstars on it..

why should I leave it alone?

Reasons to leave it alone:

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

2) You continue exacerbating your reading comprehension problems:
Gallo is injured, and is a possible great 6th man at his best moments.
Wilson is injured and missed all of last season. Are you maintaining that Gallo + Mayor =

two young talented player

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

5) You forgot the $3 million we gave away as well. Maybe some of those dollars meant higher hot dog prices at MSG, huh?

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:TKF,

Your circumvention of the facts in your arguments are comical and extremely partisan.

Not everyone is capable of being rational.

Have fun in la la land.

Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and PJAX

Wade had Lebron, Bosh and Shaq

Pierce had KG, Allen and Rondo

Melo had uh uh um uh - CAMBY!! Yay - good point! Oh and of course Andre Miller! Did I mention that he had the HOF AI?

You might just not be capable of getting it (logically). Its like trying to teach a student with an IQ of 60.

here is where your argument fails.. you fail to recognize all of those guys were great in their own right, they were and are all better than carmelo...

your crutch is that they had one another.... and poor carmelo has no one.. well ask.. why in the hell did we ante up the farm to get him...

For the billionth time, lets check the "farm", shall we?

Felton - back on the team for next to nothing, Check
Gallo - injured, sporadic scoring at best, 3pt game in Denver's last playoff closeout loss. Now has something to say about the Knicks. 2 years later. Check
Wilson - China's greatest free agent. Injured. Check
Moz - who? Possibly Denver's greatest 3rd string center ever. This decade's greatest Fred Weis moment. Check

tkf, your hate is blindingly apparent. Let it go. You'll live longer and happier. Guarantee your blood pressure will go down 10 points.

Just sayin.

WE ALSO gave up 4 picks.... two young talented player, a young big, we also lost Anthony randolph in the deal and gave them a huge salary dump by moving curry elsewhere.. yes we gave up the farm for a guy,everyone admits can't beat the teams with real superstars on it..

why should I leave it alone?

Reasons to leave it alone:

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

2) You continue exacerbating your reading comprehension problems:
Gallo is injured, and is a possible great 6th man at his best moments.
Wilson is injured and missed all of last season. Are you maintaining that Gallo + Mayor =

two young talented player

on the IR?
The young big is sitting behind most of the front court in Denver and will most likely continue to do so.

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

5) You forgot the $3 million we gave away as well. Maybe some of those dollars meant higher hot dog prices at MSG, huh?

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

LOL.. Ok, so 3 pics, still horrible to give up here, and I can't believe you tried to associate their pick with what we would have picked.. that is hilarious.. rofl...

as far as the future picks, stop trying to devalue those picks.. it really is reaching bro.... fields was a second round pick, who turned out to be a pretty darn good player..

Second round? second round? you sound like iverson.. Practice? practice? yea, I mean who cares about those things.. right?

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

if Denver is witness protection, then excuse me..LOL..

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

hmmm seems like most knicks fans brought into isiah's " expiring deals have value crap" now curry's expiring was useless right? ok, ask denver that, as they go out and fill their team with the room we gave them....

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

top 10 in your eyes, and tell me, how well has finishing games worked for us.. we have a worse record than the team we sent our useless players and picks to.. I rather have them back.... with the better record..

you can have the overhyped chucker...

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:TKF,

Your circumvention of the facts in your arguments are comical and extremely partisan.

Not everyone is capable of being rational.

Have fun in la la land.

Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and PJAX

Wade had Lebron, Bosh and Shaq

Pierce had KG, Allen and Rondo

Melo had uh uh um uh - CAMBY!! Yay - good point! Oh and of course Andre Miller! Did I mention that he had the HOF AI?

You might just not be capable of getting it (logically). Its like trying to teach a student with an IQ of 60.

here is where your argument fails.. you fail to recognize all of those guys were great in their own right, they were and are all better than carmelo...

your crutch is that they had one another.... and poor carmelo has no one.. well ask.. why in the hell did we ante up the farm to get him...

For the billionth time, lets check the "farm", shall we?

Felton - back on the team for next to nothing, Check
Gallo - injured, sporadic scoring at best, 3pt game in Denver's last playoff closeout loss. Now has something to say about the Knicks. 2 years later. Check
Wilson - China's greatest free agent. Injured. Check
Moz - who? Possibly Denver's greatest 3rd string center ever. This decade's greatest Fred Weis moment. Check

tkf, your hate is blindingly apparent. Let it go. You'll live longer and happier. Guarantee your blood pressure will go down 10 points.

Just sayin.

WE ALSO gave up 4 picks.... two young talented player, a young big, we also lost Anthony randolph in the deal and gave them a huge salary dump by moving curry elsewhere.. yes we gave up the farm for a guy,everyone admits can't beat the teams with real superstars on it..

why should I leave it alone?

Reasons to leave it alone:

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

2) You continue exacerbating your reading comprehension problems:
Gallo is injured, and is a possible great 6th man at his best moments.
Wilson is injured and missed all of last season. Are you maintaining that Gallo + Mayor =

two young talented player

on the IR?
The young big is sitting behind most of the front court in Denver and will most likely continue to do so.

3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

5) You forgot the $3 million we gave away as well. Maybe some of those dollars meant higher hot dog prices at MSG, huh?

We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

1) You continue to get your facts wrong, since hate normally causes blurred vision: It's 3 picks, not 4.
New York's 2014 first-round pick = should be great, since we're in the playoffs 3 years in a row by then.
Golden State's 2012 second-round pick = 6.8 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games in summer league; watch out Lebron!
Golden State's 2013 second-round pick = who knows, seriously, who cares? We talkin' bout the second round?? Second Round???

LOL.. Ok, so 3 pics, still horrible to give up here, and I can't believe you tried to associate their pick with what we would have picked.. that is hilarious.. rofl...

as far as the future picks, stop trying to devalue those picks.. it really is reaching bro.... fields was a second round pick, who turned out to be a pretty darn good player..

Second round? second round? you sound like iverson.. Practice? practice? yea, I mean who cares about those things.. right?

The Iverson Practice reference was the point. Fields was a pretty darn good player??? You'd rather have this underhyped non-shooting SG than an "overhyped chucker"? Seriously interesting opinion. What do you miss most, the pregame ritual with Lin, the Landry and Andy show, or a starting NBA player who looks like you taught him how to shoot?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
3) Please stop talking about Anthony Randolph. He's in witness protection; you could be endangering a life.

if Denver is witness protection, then excuse me..LOL..

You look upon this as one of the strengths of your argument? You laugh. You funny. Ha ha.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
4) Mentioning moving ECurry as a possible negative in any scenario instantaneously destroys whatever credibility you hope to build.

hmmm seems like most knicks fans brought into isiah's " expiring deals have value crap" now curry's expiring was useless right? ok, ask denver that, as they go out and fill their team with the room we gave them....

Seriously, you're trying to say moving Eddy Curry, no matter what the cost, was a move you'd take back? Think slowly. Did you want to keep Jerome James too? Do you miss Marbles? Do you miss IT? Does your hate know no coherent bounds?

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:
We've recieved a top 10 player who finishes games like no one we've had since BK.
Deal with it and move on already.

top 10 in your eyes, and tell me, how well has finishing games worked for us.. we have a worse record than the team we sent our useless players and picks to.. I rather have them back.... with the better record..

you can have the overhyped chucker...

Would you rather be in the Western Conference, too? You honestly think Denver as constituted has a better record in the Eastern Conference than us? Another issue with your hate is you can't make honest comparisons.