gunsnewing wrote:wow one bad game out of what 10 where he carried the team on his back?

you know how it is in life, a person can do so much good but do 1 thing wrong, and there the worst..

gunsnewing wrote:wow one bad game out of what 10 where he carried the team on his back?

Why is it every time that Lin gets a zillion turnovers, it's always "one game"?

Hornets....one game.

Miami...one game.

Six game losing streak where in three of those he had 5 turnovers or more, and shot under 40% in 4 out of 6....one game.

Look, the kid has done some very good things, and I credit those, but to turn the head the other way is poor.

There isn't no player beyond blame, Lin contributed to loses just like he contributed to wins.

And that is fact

gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too

gunsnewing wrote:

knickscity wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin made bog plays under woodson when we beat Indy back to back by the way and he was hurt. You guys cant act like he was garbage once MDA quit. The Knicks were 6-1 under Woodson with melo, amare and lin finally on the court together. And they were not just winning they were destroying teams.

And that is fact

I won't deny that, I have said Lin is a good player, I just don't like him as a basketball player.

There's other in the league I don't like as well, he played very well overall when given the chance, but I'm not gonna pretend that every time the Knicks lost a game Lin was free and clear.

At some point during the season, all the starters cost the team some games, Lin included.

yes Lin might of cost them 2 games of the 35 he played in all year. I'm pretty sure Kobe and Lebron cost their teams a few games last year too

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.

Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!

As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.

Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!

yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....

I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?

Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.

I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.

Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!

As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.

Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!

yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....

I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?

Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.

I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!

I thought we got melo to help beat those teams? you see this is the problem and has always been with this clown over 9 seasons, he loses, it is someone else fault, the coach, no help, global warming, etc..

if he wins(which hasn't been often) it is because " he is the best pure scorer in da wooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!!"......

it never ends..

He failed under MDA and he certainly shares part of the blame - not all of us are one sided.

Melo perhaps is not the super super star that can carry a team by himself. Again, if you care to look at context which it seems like you do not, you would know that Denver never had a team projected to go far. The best player he played with was Billups and we all know how that turned out. Archie Manning did great in NO!

You obviously have a personal beef with him since he was not aligned with your favs. Follow Paul Pierce's career and let me know why he sucked for so many years. Where were all the playoff runs? Melo is in PP's range. He is not Lebron - we know that. Did they give up too much for him? They certainly did - but he is here so deal with it. And, if you hate him because he derailed your precious MDA, maybe you will never get over the butt hurt.

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I thought the article is fair. Alot of fans are quick to bash Dolan, but you have to look at the issue both ways. Lin and Houston reneged on the offer. Lin doesn't come away from this with his hands clean.

Why do I care if someone's hands are clean? I want to win a championship not go out for a beer with them!

As do most Knicks fans. Winning the Championship is the ultimate goal for all fans. To at least have a chance at it. I could care less if Lin had more tattoos than JR or knew more bible quotes than Tim Tebow. The decision was strictly business from both sides of the coin. Lin and Houston had a number(2nd number to be specific) and the Knicks had a number(first offer) in mind. Both couldn't meet in the middle, so the Knicks let him walk end of story. Lin or no Lin, he is not the deciding factor in winning the Knicks a Championship...it's the horses in the stable that are already here, Melo and Stat. They're the multiple all stars, the huge contracts, the faces of the Knicks, not Jeremy. It remains to be seen if Lin could've directed traffic and set up our 2 stars up, as he only put up numbers when 1 player or the other was out, and only did it in D'Antoni's predictable system(which teams figured out after seeing Lin the first time around). Notice teams that were caught by surprise by "Linsanity" the first time around, beat the Knicks with a vengeance the 2nd go around. Dallas, Toronto, NJ all avenged their losses and Lin gradually lost his effectiveness until D'Antoni lost his job.

Bottom line is both Lin and Knicks are both moving on for the better. Lin will put up decent numbers on shyt teams, and may even garner some of the Chinese vote for the All Star Game. Personally I think "Linsanity" feels like a bubble burst or fad(Tebowing? or Planking?) that will go by the wayside pretty soon. People will see he's "just alright" not as great he appeared and not loaded with potential as some people seem to think. To think he has to go up against Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Chris Paul, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio....good luck to him! Might even be a more ghastly sight than the Heat game...YIKES!

yea, that had nothing to do with mr. malcontent coming back, right? one guy comes back, the losing starts....

I love this caught teams by surprise crap. I mean after like 4 games linsanity was worldwide.. I guess the other teams didn't have cable.. right?

Look at the schedule if you care to open your eyes if you care at all to be honest. This is the one sided blindness that is so annoying.

I guess that @SAS, @DAL, @MIA, @CHI had nothing to do with it - what a joke!

I thought we got melo to help beat those teams? you see this is the problem and has always been with this clown over 9 seasons, he loses, it is someone else fault, the coach, no help, global warming, etc..

if he wins(which hasn't been often) it is because " he is the best pure scorer in da wooooooooorld!!!!!!!!!!!!"......

it never ends..

Funny how Melo was the best scorer in the world for the entire month of April, and singled handedly led the Knicks into the playoffs minus MDA, Lin, and Amare for stretches. Lin was only effective for 2 weeks in February.