knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

knicks1248 wrote:I say woodson gets fired if this team is not top 4 in the league.

Eastern Conference Finals or bust, huh? Thankfully, Glen Grunwald is in charge of that decision. The Answer Man also knows the silly game of raising expectations past reality, just to insure someone fails, when he sees it.

knicks1248 wrote:
The Media and fans alike will be clamoring for his head.

The media has a job to sell papers. They would clamor for Red Holzman's head if he was in charge. Fans? Fans, who follow media cues, are stupid.

knicks1248 wrote:The only Thing that will save woodson IS MDA's PLAYBOOK.

So let me get this straight, if Mike Woodson wins, the only reason is some book that Mike D'Antoni left in his locker?

knicks1248 wrote:The 18-6 run was MDA's playbook for the most part, and he said it in almost every post game.

Wrong. The 18-6 run was a result of the entire team buying into a point of view they could get with. It's called accountability - and respect.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

here's another thing. There is a difference between Melo's style of play and Melo the person. Melo's style of play is selfish. The only player that thrives is Melo. Name one player who's stats have gotten better playing with Melo. He's a volume shooting ISO player with an average to low shooting %. He has streaks of play and scoring that are tantalizing and totally dominant, but its totally inconsistant and cant be relied on, unless your goal is first and out every year in the playoffs.

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

If his FG% for his career is average to below avg, what does that say about Paul Pierce and Kobe bryant who are even worse than Melo?

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

here's another thing. There is a difference between Melo's style of play and Melo the person. Melo's style of play is selfish. The only player that thrives is Melo. Name one player who's stats have gotten better playing with Melo. He's a volume shooting ISO player with an average to low shooting %. He has streaks of play and scoring that are tantalizing and totally dominant, but its totally inconsistant and cant be relied on, unless your goal is first and out every year in the playoffs.

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

I really look for a team to have more success when a player is added. Point guards can improve guys Individual stats. The only small forward I can think of that would improve a teammates numbers is lbj. Maybe you could show the stat comparison evidence you keep referencing.

But yea.. we add Camby, Felton, Kidd, Prigo, Kurt Thomas... a lot of veteran players etc so Im sure when the KNicks play good defense and improve THIS year it will be Melo's big coming out party. mrknickshot can go streaking down the quad yelling from the mountain tops "I told yoooooooouuuuuuuu soooooooo"

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

here's another thing. There is a difference between Melo's style of play and Melo the person. Melo's style of play is selfish. The only player that thrives is Melo. Name one player who's stats have gotten better playing with Melo. He's a volume shooting ISO player with an average to low shooting %. He has streaks of play and scoring that are tantalizing and totally dominant, but its totally inconsistant and cant be relied on, unless your goal is first and out every year in the playoffs.

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

I freakin hate the make people make the "better" argument. Players don't make other players better. Perhaps a player can make the game easier for another by drawing double teams and kicking the ball out but that's about it. Players have their skill set....what their good at and what they're not. Working on your game during the off season and during practice during the season makes a player better.

Seriously, Novak is a good 3 point shooter. Does Melo's making Novak "better" turn Novak into a guy who can cross another over and dunk it over someone? Nope. However, if Melo's presence on the court results in Novak getting open for a 3 that's a positive. It makes the game easier.

Realistically, who in the heck does Kobe make "better."? Who does Durant make "better"?

Talent makes players better.

Melo is never going to be Lebron who can is a PG in a PF's body. Melo's game is not like Iggy's. Melo is a scorer and believe it or not when a scorer is on the floor it makes the game easier for others.

Who in the NBA is selfish? What's your defintion of a selfish player? If it's based on FGA's per game than their were 5 others players whose games were more selfish than Melo's.

1. Bryant
2. Durant
3. Love
4. Westbrook
5. James

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

here's another thing. There is a difference between Melo's style of play and Melo the person. Melo's style of play is selfish. The only player that thrives is Melo. Name one player who's stats have gotten better playing with Melo. He's a volume shooting ISO player with an average to low shooting %. He has streaks of play and scoring that are tantalizing and totally dominant, but its totally inconsistant and cant be relied on, unless your goal is first and out every year in the playoffs.

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

I really look for a team to have more success when a player is added. Point guards can improve guys Individual stats. The only small forward I can think of that would improve a teammates numbers is lbj. Maybe you could show the stat comparison evidence you keep referencing.

mrknickshot can go streaking down the quad yelling from the mountain tops "I told yoooooooouuuuuuuu soooooooo"

Haha - I already did that after MDA left and we went 18-6

Never disregard context my friend. Are the knicks better since we got Melo (record wise)? Did the knicks have a better record after we got MDA?

fishmike wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only time Woody actually starting playing more to his style was when we got to the playoffs, he had a few days off to practice and guys were getting more and more familiar..But thats when melo ball really unfolded...ppl want to say melo was playing selfish, but it was woody who said, were going to run more ISO's for amare and melo. especially melo..Now all of a sudden, melo a selfish player because everytime down court, the coach is calling his number..

With MDA, he wanted to run the offense through melo for sure, but instead of just going 1 on 5, he was suppose to look for his teamates first and if no ones open, then it's on him, just like a nash or Lin..

I remember distinctively right before the season started, MDA said (on more then one occasion) MELO should avg close to a triple double with his abilty to pass, shoot and rebound, and for one game this season he did just that..

Woody on the other hand wants to ISO melo to death, and when that fails, ppl want to say melo is selfish...SMH

here's another thing. There is a difference between Melo's style of play and Melo the person. Melo's style of play is selfish. The only player that thrives is Melo. Name one player who's stats have gotten better playing with Melo. He's a volume shooting ISO player with an average to low shooting %. He has streaks of play and scoring that are tantalizing and totally dominant, but its totally inconsistant and cant be relied on, unless your goal is first and out every year in the playoffs.

Maybe Melo the person is not selfish, but didnt he push for a trade so he could get his max extension before the season? Seeing as the guys who just won the title took pay cuts so the team could be good its another knock on Melo who cost the Knicks a max extension, 3 starters, a couple prospects and 2 first rounders to aquire.

Label it anyway you want, but Melo's style of play doesnt make teammates any better and he was thrilled to come to NY, so long as he's paid like the best player in the league, while the other guys who he craves to be in the same class with took a paycut the year before to make their super team.

Who in the NBA is selfish? Whats the pattern? His defenders of the faith make lots of excuses are short on examples.

What comes first in Melo's world? The team or Melo? Winning or Melo?

I freakin hate the make people make the "better" argument. Players don't make other players better. Perhaps a player can make the game easier for another by drawing double teams and kicking the ball out but that's about it. Players have their skill set....what their good at and what they're not. Working on your game during the off season and during practice during the season makes a player better.

Seriously, Novak is a good 3 point shooter. Does Melo's making Novak "better" turn Novak into a guy who can cross another over and dunk it over someone? Nope. However, if Melo's presence on the court results in Novak getting open for a 3 that's a positive. It makes the game easier.

Realistically, who in the heck does Kobe make "better."? Who does Durant make "better"?

Talent makes players better.

Melo is never going to be Lebron who can is a PG in a PF's body. Melo's game is not like Iggy's. Melo is a scorer and believe it or not when a scorer is on the floor it makes the game easier for others.

Who in the NBA is selfish? What's your defintion of a selfish player? If it's based on FGA's per game than their were 5 others players whose games were more selfish than Melo's.

1. Bryant
2. Durant
3. Love
4. Westbrook
5. James

your right. Melo >>> all those guys. He just doesnt win because of coaches, supporting cast, refs and bad playoff round matchups. Ive seen the light

Supporting cast and playoff matches....you're right. Last two years Melo is 1-8 in the playoffs. 100% all on him...right?

Why isn't Bryant considered selfish? Oh, becuase he plays with Bynum, Pao and now Nash? Because he won Chips with Shaq and Pao.

Durant's assist numbers are in the 3's as well. His numbers year to date are almost identicial to Melo's. Of course he went to the WCF and did it all by himself. I mean he doesn't need Westbrook, Ibaka or Harden.

Why not answer the question? What's your definition of a selfish player?

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Yeah Game Set Match..that article says nothing but a writers opinion. CashMoney wins that debate with a wild idea to actually use facts and numbers. Mind boggling.

Reading is fundamental. You seem to have missed all of the quotes from Woody and players and I have more quotes saying the same things. Not much changed except finally Melo started to play harder and he and his teammates realized they needed to play harder. Same offense and same defense MDA had them playing, just more effort and sacrifice. You know the same things they were doing during Linsanity before Melo came back. The proof is right in front of your eyes but you won't look. You'd rather close your eyes and lie to yourself that somehow with no practice Woody just magically changed everything and that's why the team won those early games. Ignore the fact that the team had a heavy schedule with back to backs and the coach himself said he couldn't make any changes. The coach himself said he was at a loss to explain the sudden change in energy. It's OK keep deluding yourself and hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see.

Isn't this Ironic.

And u continue to ignore he did change things from day one...Sub Patterns, In-Game coaching & In-Game Adjustments.

And in this world of being PC you think Woodson would answer that the change of energy was getting rid of the Bum Coach. How would he look saying something like that and being forthright.

Especially when you consider that MDA hired Woodson.

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I dont' care what Dantoni did in the past or what he does in the Future..All I know is he did a terrible job as a KNICKS coach. That's all I care about. He sucks in my book.

Every person in the past ten years that came in here with a good reputation and decided to work for Dolan has come out worse. It's no surprise the same thing happened with MDA.

I'm guessing you think IT doesn't count as a person, or that destroying whole leagues constitutes part of having a good reputation? I hate Dolan probably almost as much as you hate Melo, but let's be real.

Objection withdrawn due to reading comprehension problem on my part. Left the post here to keep from raising any further confusion.