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7/25/2012  4:30 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

who cares ...

Kobe did not want shaq, abbot did not like costello, jackie gleason wanted art carney off the honeymooners ...

tabloid stories for the sad and lonely

the knicks don't have the patience or leadership to build a championship team.

in the past two years they've been presented with two big opportunities to make patient and prudent moves to build with talented young players - they've wiffed both times (melo trade when they could've signed him as a free agent and the lin situation)

in both situations the team essentially gave away its best young players when it did not have to do so. aka gave them away for nothing.

and i care about that.

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7/25/2012  4:31 PM
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

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7/25/2012  4:33 PM
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

We only take Melo at his word when he says things that incriminate himself

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7/25/2012  4:36 PM
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.

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7/25/2012  4:37 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

We only take Melo at his word when he says things that incriminate himself

True. Unfortunately for Melo, sometimes he's not very clear in the tings he says which leaves his statements vulnerable to be taken out of context....

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7/25/2012  4:39 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

who cares ...

Kobe did not want shaq, abbot did not like costello, jackie gleason wanted art carney off the honeymooners ...

tabloid stories for the sad and lonely

the knicks don't have the patience or leadership to build a championship team.

in the past two years they've been presented with two big opportunities to make patient and prudent moves to build with talented young players - they've wiffed both times (melo trade when they could've signed him as a free agent and the lin situation)

in both situations the team essentially gave away its best young players when it did not have to do so. aka gave them away for nothing.

and i care about that.

You are assuming that the knicks could definitely have signed him outright. How do you know what other teams that Denver was ready to move him to?

As far as Lin, I wanted him back but there are definitely many out there, professionals included who felt that the knicks made the correct move. I am not one of those but I am open minded knowing that there is another (valid) opinion

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7/25/2012  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  4:50 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.

I just provided you with direct quotes from Lin. Where are the direct quotes from Wojo? He doesn't have any because he's a columnist writing a column. I used to be a freelance writer for an online hip hop mag and I have a BS in journalism. There's a difference between a reporter and a columnist. Columnists write opinion pieces which also state their own personal point of view. The piece you provided is his point of view, its not gospel by any stretch....

BTW, in this day and age, journalism and integrity is an oxymoron.....

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7/25/2012  4:53 PM
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.

I just provided you with direct quotes from Lin. Where are the direct quotes from Wojo? He doesn't have any because he's a columnist writing a column. I used to be a freelance writer for an online hip hop mag and I have a BS in journalism. There's a difference between a reporter and a columnist. Columnists write opinion pieces which also state their own personal point of view. The piece you provided is his point of view, its not gospel by any stretch....

BTW, in this day and age, journalism and integrity is an oxymoron.....

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7/25/2012  4:53 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.


Enough with the "we let Lin walk away for nothing could have traded him" B.S.!

"This deal was diabolical for the Knicks in another regard, too: Lin would have been almost untradable if the Knicks had signed him.

The rules have long said that such players (restricted free agents whose original teams match another team's offer sheet) can't be traded in the first year of the deal without their consent. In the second year, Lin's contract would have been essentially a two-year, $20 million deal -- a much less attractive contract than three years and $25 million. What's more, the trade partners would have been teams willing to offer a player worth about $5 million, to match the Year 2 salary, but also be able to pay $15 million (plus, in some cases, luxury taxes) the next year. Not a lot of teams fit the bill.

So, what about trading him in the third year to avoid the tax? A couple of problems there, too. For one thing, that season Lin would be paid like an All-Star, which most teams wouldn't want unless he were playing like one, and even then he'd be an impending free agent. On top of that, the Knicks couldn't take a similar salary back without incurring the same tax bill. The only solution would be to trade him for almost nothing to a team well below the cap, like the Bobcats or Kings, but that's tough to pull off.

In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk."

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7/25/2012  4:56 PM
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.

I just provided you with direct quotes from Lin. Where are the direct quotes from Wojo? He doesn't have any because he's a columnist writing a column. I used to be a freelance writer for an online hip hop mag and I have a BS in journalism. There's a difference between a reporter and a columnist. Columnists write opinion pieces which also state their own personal point of view. The piece you provided is his point of view, its not gospel by any stretch....

BTW, in this day and age, journalism and integrity is an oxymoron.....

If he's just a columnist, why is usually the first person to break the stories of the biggest trades in the league?

He and Berger are the best two reporters covering the entire league. Beck is a close third, mainly because he also covers a team beat.

Why are they all saying the same thing?

And there is such a thing as integrity in journalism. Some reporters actually respect themselves enough to have it. Some don't. I think Beck, Berger and Wojo have it... I think that's a pretty widely held opinion around the league.

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7/25/2012  5:00 PM
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.


Enough with the "we let Lin walk away for nothing could have traded him" B.S.!

"This deal was diabolical for the Knicks in another regard, too: Lin would have been almost untradable if the Knicks had signed him.

The rules have long said that such players (restricted free agents whose original teams match another team's offer sheet) can't be traded in the first year of the deal without their consent. In the second year, Lin's contract would have been essentially a two-year, $20 million deal -- a much less attractive contract than three years and $25 million. What's more, the trade partners would have been teams willing to offer a player worth about $5 million, to match the Year 2 salary, but also be able to pay $15 million (plus, in some cases, luxury taxes) the next year. Not a lot of teams fit the bill.

So, what about trading him in the third year to avoid the tax? A couple of problems there, too. For one thing, that season Lin would be paid like an All-Star, which most teams wouldn't want unless he were playing like one, and even then he'd be an impending free agent. On top of that, the Knicks couldn't take a similar salary back without incurring the same tax bill. The only solution would be to trade him for almost nothing to a team well below the cap, like the Bobcats or Kings, but that's tough to pull off.

In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk."

Here's how they could have gotten something for him - approach with a reasonable contract offer at 12:01 on July 1st. He might have signed it. If he hadn't signed it, you would know he wouldn't want to be on team.

Instead they chased Nash and wasted time when Nash later admitted that he just used New York for leverage.

And, focusing on that third year ignores the fact that Lin would have been tradeable for $5M a year in salary in years 1 and 2, starting January 15th. So for a team that really wanted him, he'd be a bargain in years 1 and 2 and something you had to plan for in year 3.

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7/25/2012  5:09 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:In the final 28 games after the trade the knicks went 14-14

In the 28 games prior to the trade, they were 12-16

Yeah - they were really playing well and going places. Oh right, our yoots were sad


Then the Knicks went 29-34 in the next 63 games he played in

What was the record with a new coach?

18-6 in the regular season and 1-4 in the playoffs.

Wow..break the team up..1 and 4 with Lin injured against the eventual champs...shame on them. they should have at least won 2.


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7/25/2012  5:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/25/2012  5:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.

I just provided you with direct quotes from Lin. Where are the direct quotes from Wojo? He doesn't have any because he's a columnist writing a column. I used to be a freelance writer for an online hip hop mag and I have a BS in journalism. There's a difference between a reporter and a columnist. Columnists write opinion pieces which also state their own personal point of view. The piece you provided is his point of view, its not gospel by any stretch....

BTW, in this day and age, journalism and integrity is an oxymoron.....

If he's just a columnist, why is usually the first person to break the stories of the biggest trades in the league?

He and Berger are the best two reporters covering the entire league. Beck is a close third, mainly because he also covers a team beat.

Why are they all saying the same thing?

And there is such a thing as integrity in journalism. Some reporters actually respect themselves enough to have it. Some don't. I think Beck, Berger and Wojo have it... I think that's a pretty widely held opinion around the league.

If he's just a columnist, why is usually the first person to break the stories of the biggest trades in the league?

Because Woj is in the know and has connections/sources in the league. At the end of the day he's a NBA journalist.

He and Berger are the best two reporters covering the entire league. Beck is a close third, mainly because he also covers a team beat.

Why are they all saying the same thing?

Because its their opinion and as columnists, they are allowed to state it in their columns. Why dont any of them provide direct quotes from Lin or Melo that confirm their theories? The only quote they have is the "Ridiculous" quote from Melo which was totally taken out of context. It was the same quote Novak provided only he was more clear than Melo was.

And there is such a thing as integrity in journalism. Some reporters actually respect themselves enough to have it. Some don't.

Some have it, but the old-school values once cherished by seasoned journalist have gone out the window as many of the new journalists don't mind stepping on each other and trash the star of their piece for a dollar or an exclusive....

I think that's a pretty widely held[/b [b]opinion around the league.

You just said what I said all along....Opinion....

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7/25/2012  5:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Uptown wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.


So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

Dude, the post was pure speculation on Woj's part.

"That's why I think it's funny right now," Lin said. "Some people are talking about, 'Oh, can Melo adjust into the system?' I mean, Melo wants to adjust to the system, and he doesn't want to shoot 30 shots a game. The fact that he vouched for me shows a lot about him."

Why cant we take guys at their words? Melo and Lin are on record as saying they enjoyed playing with each other and were somewhat friendly on and off the court.

So Woj, Berger and Howard Beck are all risking their journalistic integrity and the respect of their peers to make "purely speculative" posts??

These are professionals who have to manage real contacts throughout the league. They work for real organizations, not the NY Post or Daily News.

These dudes aren't making stuff up. Seriously, what possible reason does Wojo have to make stuff up at this point? I love the bending over backwards that the Melo Defense Squad has to do. the guy is being pampered like Marbury was - it's not a good look for any player and it's not how championship organizations act.

Answer me this - would the Spurs have signed Jeremy Lin or given him away for nothing? They have 4 rings in the last 13 years and the Knicks have 0 zero in the last 38 years. One team is a championship and winning and smart organization run by professionals, one ain't.


Enough with the "we let Lin walk away for nothing could have traded him" B.S.!

"This deal was diabolical for the Knicks in another regard, too: Lin would have been almost untradable if the Knicks had signed him.

The rules have long said that such players (restricted free agents whose original teams match another team's offer sheet) can't be traded in the first year of the deal without their consent. In the second year, Lin's contract would have been essentially a two-year, $20 million deal -- a much less attractive contract than three years and $25 million. What's more, the trade partners would have been teams willing to offer a player worth about $5 million, to match the Year 2 salary, but also be able to pay $15 million (plus, in some cases, luxury taxes) the next year. Not a lot of teams fit the bill.

So, what about trading him in the third year to avoid the tax? A couple of problems there, too. For one thing, that season Lin would be paid like an All-Star, which most teams wouldn't want unless he were playing like one, and even then he'd be an impending free agent. On top of that, the Knicks couldn't take a similar salary back without incurring the same tax bill. The only solution would be to trade him for almost nothing to a team well below the cap, like the Bobcats or Kings, but that's tough to pull off.

In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk."

Here's how they could have gotten something for him - approach with a reasonable contract offer at 12:01 on July 1st. He might have signed it. If he hadn't signed it, you would know he wouldn't want to be on team.

Instead they chased Nash and wasted time when Nash later admitted that he just used New York for leverage.

And, focusing on that third year ignores the fact that Lin would have been tradeable for $5M a year in salary in years 1 and 2, starting January 15th. So for a team that really wanted him, he'd be a bargain in years 1 and 2 and something you had to plan for in year 3.

Lin's agents knew the max the Knicks could offer. The Knicks told him to get an offer. He did and signed off on it. The Knicks didn't match. Case closed.

I'm sure the Knicks didn't look into all the scenarios since it was a personal decision not to sign Lin by Dolan.

Like the article said Lin would have had to agree to being traded in year 1 and waiting until year 2 you need to find a team that can match salaries and be able to pay Lin the $14.8 million in year 3. "The only solution would be to trade him for almost nothing to a team well below the cap, like the Bobcats or Kings, but that's tough to pull off."

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7/25/2012  5:24 PM
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fishmike wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:I was not talking about his best statistical season. I was talking about the seasonS that he feuded with PJax and won rings.

Kobe was a selfish prick just like Melo or worse (read Jax's book)

no desire to read Jax book. Thanks.

Its funny... you never read anything anyone says.

Ive been open and honest about what I dont like about Melo, and its simply this... I have no reason to ride the jock of a player who has done nothing for my team. Maybe you do, and chuck does also, and perhaps JRod and durzoblint. Maybe you see a guy with no playoff success, no personal achievements (MVP, scoring title, first team all NBA) and say to yourself that he's the one, he's the messiah, he's the chosen one.

They would have played "Im coming home" for Marbury also you know, but the song wasnt out then yet.

And one good month of basketball and a couple good shots isnt enough for me to toss the guy's salad as you do and clearly enjoy the flavor.

Your biggest attack on my thinking is I excuse Amare or anyother player, but Ive been clear about that also. Why do I like Amare? Because when every FA laughed at the KNicks he signed here, and he came with no other star here to lean on. He took on the challenge. He led the 4th qtr in scoring. He was the guy that pushed us from laughing stock to a playoff team. Does he have holes? sure. Defense suck? sure does. But he wasnt a one trick Nash following pony. He came here and showed he was a guy who could make a difference and he did. Thats my bias. Thats calling it like I saw it with Amare.

Im waiting for Melo to do something worth feeling good about

A players playoff success should be measured by the players around him not by blinding stating playoff records without context.

Denver went from a perennial bottom feeding team to a perennial playoff team after Melo. He never had the casts around him such as the teams that Denver consistently lost to. You probably know this and are either blind or are intentionally ignoring it. Please tell me the year that Denver was upset and was the clear favorite ......???

Amare? Oh right he was such a manly man and stood up to the challenge of NY when nobody would come here - HA! He got 100 million dollars and the only other offer that I was aware of was 60 million - what a standup guy. Way to take less money because you wanted to play on the greatest stage in the world. CLUELESS!

Does Amare have faults? Yeah - his defense sux and he doesn't even try but who cares - he was man enough to come to NY for 100 million dollars and its so great that he's spending 100 grand of it to pay for Hakeems lessons. Thank you Amare for 1/2 of a nice season on a 5 year contract. Relax next season, you have done enough.

Now, back to hating on Melo - he's fat, smiles, AND WE GUTTED THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE TEAM FOR HIM.

You are a cute one though


Your funny... You actually start trying with logic, realize there isn't any, then go back to doing what you do best. Good work
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7/25/2012  5:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:I was not talking about his best statistical season. I was talking about the seasonS that he feuded with PJax and won rings.

Kobe was a selfish prick just like Melo or worse (read Jax's book)

no desire to read Jax book. Thanks.

Its funny... you never read anything anyone says.

Ive been open and honest about what I dont like about Melo, and its simply this... I have no reason to ride the jock of a player who has done nothing for my team. Maybe you do, and chuck does also, and perhaps JRod and durzoblint. Maybe you see a guy with no playoff success, no personal achievements (MVP, scoring title, first team all NBA) and say to yourself that he's the one, he's the messiah, he's the chosen one.

They would have played "Im coming home" for Marbury also you know, but the song wasnt out then yet.

And one good month of basketball and a couple good shots isnt enough for me to toss the guy's salad as you do and clearly enjoy the flavor.

Your biggest attack on my thinking is I excuse Amare or anyother player, but Ive been clear about that also. Why do I like Amare? Because when every FA laughed at the KNicks he signed here, and he came with no other star here to lean on. He took on the challenge. He led the 4th qtr in scoring. He was the guy that pushed us from laughing stock to a playoff team. Does he have holes? sure. Defense suck? sure does. But he wasnt a one trick Nash following pony. He came here and showed he was a guy who could make a difference and he did. Thats my bias. Thats calling it like I saw it with Amare.

Im waiting for Melo to do something worth feeling good about

A players playoff success should be measured by the players around him not by blinding stating playoff records without context.

Denver went from a perennial bottom feeding team to a perennial playoff team after Melo. He never had the casts around him such as the teams that Denver consistently lost to. You probably know this and are either blind or are intentionally ignoring it. Please tell me the year that Denver was upset and was the clear favorite ......???

Amare? Oh right he was such a manly man and stood up to the challenge of NY when nobody would come here - HA! He got 100 million dollars and the only other offer that I was aware of was 60 million - what a standup guy. Way to take less money because you wanted to play on the greatest stage in the world. CLUELESS!

Does Amare have faults? Yeah - his defense sux and he doesn't even try but who cares - he was man enough to come to NY for 100 million dollars and its so great that he's spending 100 grand of it to pay for Hakeems lessons. Thank you Amare for 1/2 of a nice season on a 5 year contract. Relax next season, you have done enough.

Now, back to hating on Melo - he's fat, smiles, AND WE GUTTED THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE TEAM FOR HIM.

You are a cute one though


Your funny... You actually start trying with logic, realize there isn't any, then go back to doing what you do best. Good work

Well thought out response. You don't even try anymore - boring!

Who's got next?

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Keep at it guys. Eventually you will convince fishmike to love Carmelo! Don't give up!
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7/25/2012  8:03 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Keep at it guys. Eventually you will convince fishmike to love Carmelo! Don't give up!

Love him or hate him - who freakin cares - we all have our rights - there are many players I hate.

Just callin out the repetitive bull sh1t is all

These Lin-erFockers hate when they perceive that people are misstating or misrepresenting facts about the wonder boy

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7/25/2012  8:17 PM
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Shump also only played 19 minutes in the entire series but no big deal considering we lost our best perimeter defender. STAT had a boxing match with a fire extinguisher and our starting PG wasn't anywhere close to 100%. = Melo sucks?

Let's be clear.
Our starting point guard was 85% toward being the minimum amount ready to play. :)
Our backup PG (turned starter) lost his knee cap, and it still hasn't surfaced.

And yeah, as a result, Melo sucks.

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7/25/2012  8:26 PM
This isn't about hating Melo. IT's about holding him to the standard that his status on the team demands. He's the leader of the team by virtue of his being the best player and the guy that touches the ball the most. We ran everything thru Melo last year and he shrank back from that responsibility. The day he played up to the role the rest of the team responded immediately. It wasn't some scoring binge that the team responded to, but rather Melo doing the little things that inspired his team.

His ENERGY LEVEL and consistent EFFORT on D. His willingness to actually try to fit into what the team was doing at the time which was still playing a Team oriented style based on MDA's offense, which meant that he had to do some catch and shoot and play off the ball a bit. He actually did that the day that MDA resigned. This is all we were asking him to do from the get go. Don't break the offense and slump around cuz you're not getting your way. Play hard and lift your team with a good attitude. Melo did all of these things before his shot came back and the team won games. This is proof that it wasn't about his scoring but rather his entire approach to the game. All we want is a real dedication to his profession and an effort to try and lead at least by example if not by being a vocal leader of the team. He has the most clout to speak and should use that to help his team win. No one is going to look at anyone else if the team loses cuz he's the best player. If the team wins and Melo is doing all the right things he deserves to get credit.

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