tfk.. I agree that Melo has accomplished nothing more than make a few all star games and visit the top 10 scoring leader board every year.

But what if we win? What if the Knicks are in the conference finals? I actually think there is a good chance..

IrishKnickFan wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:IKF - you flip flop faster than Al Gore

I didnt flip flop. I have said that i think melo is gonna have a good season for a while now i was just stating that his past playoff record isnt good. BUT I think this is the year he will turn it around.

Does it really make sense to judge an individual player in a team sport by how far their teams get in the playoffs?

When Player X was on Team Y they went to the Finals.
Therefore Player X is a "winner"

Logically it makes no sense. I think there were only a handful of players in NBA history that could carry a mediocre team to the Finals: MJ and Lebron. Can't really include Jason Kidd because the Eastern Conference was ATROCIOUS. Some managed to carry their team in say a 1st round series against mediocre competition: T-Mac (Orlando). Otherwise the argument doesn't hold up when you see:

-Kobe getting bounced in the 1st round. Nash failing to make the playoffs. KG's early career. Kevin Love.

This team should be good enough to get out of the 1st round unless we get the 7th/8th seed and face Miami in round 1. Think we can take Chicago. Maybe I'm delusional.

well then how should we judge carmelo? Ok, lets not use the playoffs, although that should be a big part of it, but lets not use that.. OK, then what should we use? individual awards? he has none.. this guy gets mentioned by many homer fans with the other great players yet he owns nothing.. NO mvp's no defensive awards, no NBA first team, and for a guy who is considered to be such a great scorer, he has NO scoring titles.... what has he done to garner all of this respect.? what!

He's 28 so it means his career is over. We should move on than.

he is an old 28.. years in the league already, and he has done nothing.. biggest playoff loser in the history of the sport... he is a bozo... I am putting no faith in this clown and dolan... the only hopes I have is that dolan falls into a coma and another owner comes in and cleans house... stranger things have happened, so I remain hopeful...

Wishing a coma on someone over sports? You are one sick puppy.

You should get off your ass with that serial killer mentality and kill the fukka!!

He deserves it - he's evil! He messed up your sports team.

not really over sports.. but because dolan is a horrible douchebag that thinks it is ok to demean people and women.. How is that?

You are entitled to your opinion but you shpuldnt wish harm on anyone

wishing harm? well I could have done a lot worse than a coma.... heck I would take a 2 year coma for dolan, either that or just for him to go away, get lost on an island... no physical harm, but never come back here.. really... is that much better?

but hey as fish said. he already is in a coma.... I am just tired of the guy crapping on fans....who have been nothing but loyal to this franchise... financially and emotionally loyal... it really upsets me... and maybe it shouldn't anymore..

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:Dolan is already in a coma... has anyone heard the man speak? Dude has so many nice suits because he constantly needs to change them as the drool starts to collect.

tfk.. I agree that Melo has accomplished nothing more than make a few all star games and visit the top 10 scoring leader board every year.

But what if we win? What if the Knicks are in the conference finals? I actually think there is a good chance..

fish, I have my reservations, if we get to the confrence finals, it will have to be amare playing amazing ball or jason kidd turning the clock back.. ultimately, we will be an iso team and I expect melo and JR to shoot us straight into hell.. but we will see.

LMAO! I'm sorry but I spit out my coffee when I red that line.

Pure carcinogenic venomous bile and hate, LOVE IT!

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:Dolan is already in a coma... has anyone heard the man speak? Dude has so many nice suits because he constantly needs to change them as the drool starts to collect.

tfk.. I agree that Melo has accomplished nothing more than make a few all star games and visit the top 10 scoring leader board every year.

But what if we win? What if the Knicks are in the conference finals? I actually think there is a good chance..

fish, I have my reservations, if we get to the confrence finals, it will have to be amare playing amazing ball or jason kidd turning the clock back.. ultimately, we will be an iso team and I expect melo and JR to shoot us straight into hell.. but we will see.

JR is garbage. His amazing scoring/shooting outburts actually hurt, because for each one of them you can count on a pair of games where he shoots 3-13.

What is promising is Amare bouncing back to top 10 NBA player form he was before last year's misery and Felton's chemistry with him. Especially if he's in shape, and its looking like he will be and very motivated that will be a big bonus for us on both ends of the ball.

Felton is a north south PG and also really thrives in transition. He's going to be the starter and thats a huge plus for us.

At this point in my Knick fandom I just call it like I see it, and here is what I see:
I see a team that on paper has the pieces to compete for a title. Two all star scoring forwards. Next to them the defensive player of the year at center. Backed up by two defense first guys in Camby and Kurt.

The defense is improved with Kidd/Felton in the backcourt and that combo will be stable. Felton's chemistry w/ Amare a huge plus.

This team has the talent. It has the pieces. Will they = or exceed the sum of the parts? That remains to be seen and its a huge challenge but for once, the talent is there.

So is the pressure. ITs a win now team. Its also not a terribly interesting group in any way shape or form to watch for 82 games, but those 82 games should offer some insight as to how the squad comes together (or totally explodes)

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We have a new season coming up and we are in a better position now to be competitive than we were last season. There are players on this squad who I thought who were a disappointment to me last season, but there is a new season on the way and its wasted energy lobbing invectives at them.

The slate is clean and there is a new season coming soon. I have a feeling that Melo is going to have his best season as a Knick and will do what it takes to take this team to the next level. Go Knicks.

do you ever think about the next year or two... especially if we dont win.. this team is in the abyss as far as assets goes... we have no way to improve this team.. and unless you think we are beating miami this year, I find these moves to be more destructive than anything..

TKF, odds are that we won't win a ring. We're not the Heat, OKC, or the Lakers. And we have a dip**** of an owner with an inferiority complex. What we do have going for us is a team stocked with veterans who are hungry and want to go the distance. Considering all we have going against us, I'm still optimistic that we can give the rest of the league a run for their money.

I'm old enough to remember going to games with my Dad and watching the Knicks win their last championship, but you know what? I feel more of a bond with the late 80s and early 90s Knicks because I have more of an appreciation now for how hard it is to win a championship. Not many teams can do it.

This team has been on plan B ever since Lebron made his decision. As a fan, I want our team at the very least to be in the hunt. I believe that we have one now.

Thing with the Knicks is this... its usually more likely the things that can go wrong will, then the things we need to go right.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We have a new season coming up and we are in a better position now to be competitive than we were last season. There are players on this squad who I thought who were a disappointment to me last season, but there is a new season on the way and its wasted energy lobbing invectives at them.

The slate is clean and there is a new season coming soon. I have a feeling that Melo is going to have his best season as a Knick and will do what it takes to take this team to the next level. Go Knicks.

do you ever think about the next year or two... especially if we dont win.. this team is in the abyss as far as assets goes... we have no way to improve this team.. and unless you think we are beating miami this year, I find these moves to be more destructive than anything..

TKF, odds are that we won't win a ring. We're not the Heat, OKC, or the Lakers. And we have a dip**** of an owner with an inferiority complex. What we do have going for us is a team stocked with veterans who are hungry and want to go the distance. Considering all we have going against us, I'm still optimistic that we can give the rest of the league a run for their money.

I'm old enough to remember going to games with my Dad and watching the Knicks win their last championship, but you know what? I feel more of a bond with the late 80s and early 90s Knicks because I have more of an appreciation now for how hard it is to win a championship. Not many teams can do it.

This team has been on plan B ever since Lebron made his decision. As a fan, I want our team at the very least to be in the hunt. I believe that we have one now.

we *CAN* be in the hunt... but we are NOT *IN* the hunt. Not until we are a top seed in the east, and definatly not until we are in the conference finals.

Thing with the Knicks is this... its usually more likely the things that can go wrong will, then the things we need to go right.

I beg to differ Fishmike. I believe we have the talent to be in the hunt. We've have 2 players who have won a ring, the defensive player of the year in Chandler, one of the best scorers in the league in Melo, and the best three point shooter in the league in Novak.If Woodson can keep them on the same page, we should be in good shape. I can't blame you for being pessimistic, but if you look objectively at the roster we have now I belive you'll find that we can give the rest of the league a run for their money.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:We have a new season coming up and we are in a better position now to be competitive than we were last season. There are players on this squad who I thought who were a disappointment to me last season, but there is a new season on the way and its wasted energy lobbing invectives at them.

The slate is clean and there is a new season coming soon. I have a feeling that Melo is going to have his best season as a Knick and will do what it takes to take this team to the next level. Go Knicks.

do you ever think about the next year or two... especially if we dont win.. this team is in the abyss as far as assets goes... we have no way to improve this team.. and unless you think we are beating miami this year, I find these moves to be more destructive than anything..

TKF, odds are that we won't win a ring. We're not the Heat, OKC, or the Lakers. And we have a dip**** of an owner with an inferiority complex. What we do have going for us is a team stocked with veterans who are hungry and want to go the distance. Considering all we have going against us, I'm still optimistic that we can give the rest of the league a run for their money.

I'm old enough to remember going to games with my Dad and watching the Knicks win their last championship, but you know what? I feel more of a bond with the late 80s and early 90s Knicks because I have more of an appreciation now for how hard it is to win a championship. Not many teams can do it.

This team has been on plan B ever since Lebron made his decision. As a fan, I want our team at the very least to be in the hunt. I believe that we have one now.

we *CAN* be in the hunt... but we are NOT *IN* the hunt. Not until we are a top seed in the east, and definatly not until we are in the conference finals.

Thing with the Knicks is this... its usually more likely the things that can go wrong will, then the things we need to go right.

I beg to differ Fishmike. I believe we have the talent to be in the hunt. We've have 2 players who have won a ring, the defensive player of the year in Chandler, one of the best scorers in the league in Melo, and the best three point shooter in the league in Novak.If Woodson can keep them on the same page, we should be in good shape. I can't blame you for being pessimistic, but if you look objectively at the roster we have now I belive you'll find that we can give the rest of the league a run for their money.

Thank you thank you thank you!!