subzero0 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

name one great PG who doesnt dominate the ball. They are the QB.

This team is constructed around Melo and Woody's iso-joe offense. Two things with an epic history of first round outs. But the Knicks will win 50 games, they will make the playoffs and they will perform exactly how they are built.

Lin is a 1 trick pony though. Outside of being able to drive and kick recklessly what does he do well?

three point shooting
gets into the lane
clutch shooting
assists, finds the open man
perimeter shooting
defensive steals
drawing fouls
unselfish player

If by "one-trick-pony" you mean "a point guard who can do almost anything you can ask a point guard to do on the court" then yes, he is a "one-trick-pony".

The only thing he does i believe at an above average level is go to the basket. Everything else is about average or below average. His poor defense and the turnovers leading to points kills a lot of the value he has on the offensive end

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

dominated the ball and, didn't really make anyone better. Who did he make better, where were the easy baskets for the other 4players on the floor. Other than Novak, no one else shined when Lin was playing

Jmpasq wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

name one great PG who doesnt dominate the ball. They are the QB.

This team is constructed around Melo and Woody's iso-joe offense. Two things with an epic history of first round outs. But the Knicks will win 50 games, they will make the playoffs and they will perform exactly how they are built.

Lin is a 1 trick pony though. Outside of being able to drive and kick recklessly what does he do well?

three point shooting
gets into the lane
clutch shooting
assists, finds the open man
perimeter shooting
defensive steals
drawing fouls
unselfish player

If by "one-trick-pony" you mean "a point guard who can do almost anything you can ask a point guard to do on the court" then yes, he is a "one-trick-pony".

The only thing he does i believe at an above average level is go to the basket. Everything else is about average or below average. His poor defense and the turnovers leading to points kills a lot of the value he has on the offensive end

he was third best in the league in pull up jumpshot FG%. he got to the foul line at the same level as someone like kobe, bron, wade, durant. his turnover rate was consistent with nash and rondo - all the high usage PGs have high turnover rates.

Jmpasq wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

name one great PG who doesnt dominate the ball. They are the QB.

This team is constructed around Melo and Woody's iso-joe offense. Two things with an epic history of first round outs. But the Knicks will win 50 games, they will make the playoffs and they will perform exactly how they are built.

Lin is a 1 trick pony though. Outside of being able to drive and kick recklessly what does he do well?

three point shooting
gets into the lane
clutch shooting
assists, finds the open man
perimeter shooting
defensive steals
drawing fouls
unselfish player

If by "one-trick-pony" you mean "a point guard who can do almost anything you can ask a point guard to do on the court" then yes, he is a "one-trick-pony".

The only thing he does i believe at an above average level is go to the basket. Everything else is about average or below average. His poor defense and the turnovers leading to points kills a lot of the value he has on the offensive end

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:this wasnt about Lin... it was about hope and basketball.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

well said. lin represented hope and he played basketball in a way that we hadn't seen from a star in a NY uniform since the early days of mark jackson, i felt. completely selfless. if he scored 38pts, it didn't seem selfish - it came within the flow of the game.

i still don't know if i can leave the team, it feels like debating leaving my wife or worse! that said, i despise dolan. he is a petty piece of crap. and carmelo has basically transformed into marbury in my head at this point. i'll hope they win a playoffs series... though i don't even know if i see that happening.

to think that it could have been possible to build this team around gallinari and lin - two unselfish and talented ball players... it could have been refreshing. while it's arguable that this current roster is better - it already feels like it's as good as its gonna get, the window is small and the ceiling feels like the second round. then we gotta blow it all up again. who's a free agent in 2015? let's start the watch!

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:this wasnt about Lin... it was about hope and basketball.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

well said. lin represented hope and he played basketball in a way that we hadn't seen from a star in a NY uniform since the early days of mark jackson, i felt. completely selfless. if he scored 38pts, it didn't seem selfish - it came within the flow of the game.

i still don't know if i can leave the team, it feels like debating leaving my wife or worse! that said, i despise dolan. he is a petty piece of crap. and carmelo has basically transformed into marbury in my head at this point. i'll hope they win a playoffs series... though i don't even know if i see that happening.

to think that it could have been possible to build this team around gallinari and lin - two unselfish and talented ball players... it could have been refreshing. while it's arguable that this current roster is better - it already feels like it's as good as its gonna get, the window is small and the ceiling feels like the second round. then we gotta blow it all up again. who's a free agent in 2015? let's start the watch!

No way Lin comes to NY if Gallo is here. Lin was a by product of the Melo trade and the amnestying of Chauncey. D'Ant would have had Felton and if Lin was signed he never would have gotten off the pine. Grunwald saved Lin when he sent him to the dl in my opinion. I don't think D'Ant could be bothered and then he blew up in Erie and then came back and blew up against the Nets ...

Please stop your nonsense! You don't know if Lin would get a look if he came to the team during training camp and had a chance to get some run with the coach looking on. The truth is that Lin came to the team after Training Camp and was behind in every possible way. There were no real practice days for the Coach to even get a good feel for the kid and that more than anything is the reason Lin didn't get a shot earlier. It wasn't that MDA couldn't be bothered, but rather that he didn't really have practice time to see what the kid could do and be confident. That early schedule was jam packed and what did Lin know about the system with no practice?

The truth is that MDA didn't have to play Lin but he did. He let him play and Lin took advantage of his opportunity. MDA never disliked Lin, but with all the pressure of the team losing he couldn't panic and play Lin as if he was the answer when they had no evidence the kid could handle the job. Lin admitted that the D League stint did help him and so it was the right move given the lack of practice days for Lin to get a better feel for the system. That stint helped to give Lin confidence and the coaches confidence and so everything worked out for the best.

subzero0 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

ToddTT wrote:Lin got what he wanted.

I'm just looking forward to the first pick and roll between Felton and Amare.

Sorry to spoil it for you but the defense will collapse on Amare, force felton to shoot and felton will miss the shot wildly. As the opposing guards release the opposing rebounders pass the ball upcourt for a fastbreak high percentage shot. We have already seen how those felton Amare pick and rolls end. It was part of the reason we got rid of Felton, remember? Some Knick fans have really short memories.

You don't think Felton can find Novak in the corner like he found Shawne Williams?

With a horrible shooter and slow footed guard like felton running the show why would you sag off of Novak? Stay on him like white on rice and watch the knick offense flail and flounder. Similar to the way portlands offense floundered when felton was out there waddling.

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Jeremy Lin reconstructed his contract to make it harder for the Knicks to resign him.

Anyone who doesn't understand that after all for the times that it's been stated on this board in the past 24-48 hours, is just stuck on stupid, and too emotionally affected to process logic.

Don't even keep arguing with those cats, man. They're hurt, mad, and want to bicker with you in order to validate theri hurt feelings.

Whoever said they want to go, just leave. Staying here just to bait and senselessly argue with Knicks fans who aren't emotionally bruised DOES make you a troll, and trolls should be banned.

For the True Fans who need a break, just take a breather and come back when you've cleared your heads a bit.

I love this idea that Jeremy nefariously reconstructed his contract when A) the Knicks never offered him one and B) Houston made the offer. Houston desperately wanted Lin because they'd lost both their PGs. You tell your guy to test the market to get an offer... you are asking for trouble.

And, as a "True Fan", I'm pissed. This is where I come to talk about it. If you don't want to hear any negative or dissenting opinions I don't know what to tell you.

The Knicks just gave away their best, most popular young player for nothing in return and based on their own owner's petty crap. I don't know how any "True Fan" cannot be f@cking pissed off and miserable today. This is one of the darkest days of the Dolan Follies.

crzymdups wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Jeremy Lin reconstructed his contract to make it harder for the Knicks to resign him.

Anyone who doesn't understand that after all for the times that it's been stated on this board in the past 24-48 hours, is just stuck on stupid, and too emotionally affected to process logic.

Don't even keep arguing with those cats, man. They're hurt, mad, and want to bicker with you in order to validate theri hurt feelings.

Whoever said they want to go, just leave. Staying here just to bait and senselessly argue with Knicks fans who aren't emotionally bruised DOES make you a troll, and trolls should be banned.

For the True Fans who need a break, just take a breather and come back when you've cleared your heads a bit.

I love this idea that Jeremy nefariously reconstructed his contract when A) the Knicks never offered him one and B) Houston made the offer. Houston desperately wanted Lin because they'd lost both their PGs. You tell your guy to test the market to get an offer... you are asking for trouble.

And, as a "True Fan", I'm pissed. This is where I come to talk about it. If you don't want to hear any negative or dissenting opinions I don't know what to tell you.

The Knicks just gave away their best, most popular young player for nothing in return and based on their own owner's petty crap. I don't know how any "True Fan" cannot be f@cking pissed off and miserable today. This is one of the darkest days of the Dolan Follies.