gunsnewing wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE

5hrs to go

Don't set yourself up for disappointment, the news has leaked and all signs point to no match. I will be pleasantly surprised if they do match but it really does not look like that is going to happen.

gunsnewing wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE

5hrs to go

Beck just tweeted that he's been assured decision is final. Lin is Houston bound.

markvmc wrote:Looking on the bright side, if the pg's job is just "give it to Melo and stand back," we probably don't need that good of a pg.

I think the team changing the direction of the team has a lot to do with it. I do believe If Dantoni was the coach they would match no ?. I think it comes down to how much is to much for what they are going to ask from him. I dont think the Knicks want him to play like he did under Linsanity. What are u left with then. A PG with a sub par handle that cant play defense with a middle of the road jump shot.

Jmpasq wrote:

markvmc wrote:Looking on the bright side, if the pg's job is just "give it to Melo and stand back," we probably don't need that good of a pg.

I think the team changing the direction of the team has a lot to do with it. I do believe If Dantoni was the coach they would match no ?. I think it comes down to how much is to much for what they are going to ask from him. I dont think the Knicks want him to play like he did under Linsanity. What are u left with then. A PG with a sub par handle that cant play defense with a middle of the road jump shot.

Exactly. The Knicks are not going to be run and gun. He would have to play defense and have to go left.

mrKnickShot wrote:

watupmyknicker wrote:Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.

But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.

My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol

That is the best name I've seen

+1

Jmpasq wrote:

s3231 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.

Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass

How much money had Melo made in the NBA before his extension with us? Now, compare that to Lin....

Melo gutted our team for a few extra million $ (not per year, few extra period). Had he waited till free agency, we still could have given him a ton of money.

Gutted? A RFA In Chandler we would of had to renounce to get another max player. Felton-Who is a Knick, Galo- good controlled player, Mozgov -borderline NBA player.
Maybe my view of gutted is different and also the CBA issues is always forgotten but keep hating Melo

And the multiple first round picks we gave up on top of that + Denver has the right to swap picks with us in 2016 (a pick that will now most likely be lotto).

Melo took away a majority of our assets and almost any chance we had at building a team that could beat Miami....when he could have signed in the off-season for almost the same $.

Knowing that we are asset depleted, the fact that we are letting a prospect like Lin walk for nothing is what makes this all the more appalling.

s3231 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

s3231 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.

Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass

How much money had Melo made in the NBA before his extension with us? Now, compare that to Lin....

Melo gutted our team for a few extra million $ (not per year, few extra period). Had he waited till free agency, we still could have given him a ton of money.

Gutted? A RFA In Chandler we would of had to renounce to get another max player. Felton-Who is a Knick, Galo- good controlled player, Mozgov -borderline NBA player.
Maybe my view of gutted is different and also the CBA issues is always forgotten but keep hating Melo

And the multiple first round picks we gave up on that + Denver has the right to swap picks with us in 2016 (a pick that will now most likely be lotto).

Melo took away a majority of our assets and almost any chance we had at building a team that could beat Miami....when he could have signed in the off-season for almost the same $.

Knowing that we are asset depleted, the fact that we are letting a prospect like Lin walk for nothing is what makes this all the more appalling.

i think it would be hard to trade him. Im sure the Knicks looked into matching and moving him or at least I hope they did.Even if it was for 2 2nd rounders. Im not sure how many teams would want to take on that 3rd year. If a team has a lot of cap room they dont want it tied up with Lin in year 3. Houston has an advantage because they can take the cap hit anyway they want.It would be hard to find the perfect team of need and cap situation to make it work right now. When it expires it would be easier

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand this concept? The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's call. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

Are you kidding me, bro? How does Lin CONTROL A CONTRACT OFFER FROM ANOTHER DAMN TEAM?!?!??!!?!? Explain this stupid reasoning to me. How does Lin demand another team to run its business? How does Lin tell another team to sign him to a smaller contract when that team knows the Knicks will match it? What in God's name is going on with these irrational posts? People call people defending Lin delusional. All I see is garbage written left and right with no facts whatsoever.

1st through negotiations. Once again structure the deal differently or don't sign it. You make it sound like of the Rockets presented him with a deal that was $1/$1/$22, 999,998 he would have to accept it. That is why they NEGOTIATE these things. I believe he is one of 2 things. Either he is the dumbest Harvard grad ever, or he simply didn't want to be a Knick. If the second is true, man up and just say you want to leave and stop acting like some Huckleberry that doesn't know what is happening.

Bro, he has a business degree from Harvard. He can understand the CBA better than most of the bargaining committee.

Do you understand that the Rockets changed the deal so they can make it difficult for the Knicks to match? What's so hard to understand thisK concept?Knicks could've The Knicks were saying we'd match the contract publicly and then the Rockets went ahead and changed the terms of the deal to make it harder for the Knicks. This is not Lin's ckall. Lin didn't negotiate behind anyone's back. the Rockets wanted Lin badly. They set up the contract in a way to make it difficult for the Knicks to match it due to the luxury tax. This has nothing to do with Jeremy Lin demanding more money. Lin signed the final contract that was presented to him. That's the contract the Rockets wanted him to sign. He signed it. The Knicks have paid $120 million for Isiah's lottery teams but felt letting a young talent go for one year of luxury tax payments was a good decision. That's on them, not Lin.

Are you for real? So just because the Rockets wanted him to sign it he has to sign it. My mistake. Wish he had to sign that 4 year 16 mil max contract that the Knicks Coulda offered him. Woulda made this whole thing easier if he didn't have free will.

The Knicks never offered that contract, did they?

Is he supposed to not sign a contract? Was anyone else offering him one? I don't even understand what you're arguing about. He did what any player in the league does when they are free agents - sign for a team who offered him money. There is nothing backhanded to what he did but let's create more conspiracy theories so we can vilify the kid.