blkexec wrote:

VCoug wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i mean we are all figuring here that there's no way that dolan would tell grunwald to let lin walk because of the whole international $$$ thing. i would be shocked beyond belief if we don't match on lin. absolutely shocked if we don't.

Just think about it. Lin will cost nearly $57 million in year 3!!!! His $14.8 mil plus the $42 mil in Luxury Tax. There's no way that they can do a deal like that. It's not practical even with Lin being a money maker. They don't even know how long that will last. Suppose he has a bad year and all the excitement and Asian Corporate Sponsors dry up? I think this is the end of Lin in NY.

Then you have the idea that Woody wasn't exactly in love with Lin to begin with. I think he wants to play slow it down ball and Lin makes him nervous.

Even though we are the minority, I agree....

I think the smart move is to match Lin and see what happens in year one or two. If the jersey sales aren't enough of a draw to keep Lin, then you have the pg depth to trade Lin to a smaller market team looking to increase ticket and jersey sales.

But everybody keeps focusing on Felton and how he played in Mikes system.

Unfortunately, offense doesn't win championships. We just turned this Knick team into a strong balance of offense, defense and vet / championship experience team. With the most important positions in basketball sold up.....PG / CENTER

LIN WHO?

Yeah, I guess anytime you can trade a possibly up-and-coming young star PG for a mediocre, shoot first PG you have to do it.

Lin is a pass first PG, that excels on a team of roll players. When you have two superstars in Melo and Stat, you just need to keep adding old PG that know how to give them the ball.

Lin is nice, but for this team, we need a pass first PG. Nash is not coming, so this is plan B. With the NY pressure and media coverage, Felton will hold his own on defense. And run the pick and roll with Amari. Thats all we really need from our PG.

We don't need a PG to take more shots than Melo, and average double digit turnovers. I'm not saying get rid of Lin. I'm just saying, he's not ready right now to be a championship PG. And if he can't learn from all these vets we now have, then trade him.....

Great move......

Felton is not a pass first PG. He's shoot first. He averaged more shot attempts/game than Lin did last season.

gunsnewing wrote:I'm listening to the radio and its funny now that they think Lin is gone since the media is reporting it this way. Fans are saying they are done with the Knicks. Where was this support for Lin 2months ago?

its comical man.....just hold on....we gonna burn this mutha****a down when we win this championship!!!!!

JamesKPolk wrote:Are there people really advocating crappy fat Felton over Lin?

Word. It's this reaction that is probably driving Lin away. At this point maybe he's better off somewhere else where the fans will appreciate him more. He ****ing revitalized this franchise and gave the fans more than anyone else for the last decade. This sucks if he isn't a Knick next year, even if he fizzled out.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Are there people really advocating crappy fat Felton over Lin?

Word. It's this reaction that is probably driving Lin away. At this point maybe he's better off somewhere else where the fans will appreciate him more. He ****ing revitalized this franchise and gave the fans more than anyone else for the last decade. This sucks if he isn't a Knick next year, even if he fizzled out.

wow dude it was a two-week stretch.. dude didn't even play in the playoffs. and let's not forget LIN IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE OFFER SHEET WITH THE ROCKETS, which included the poison pill yr3 making it nearly impossible for the knicks to match.

i like lin, i think he can be a pretty good player, but let's not act like we are letting lebron walk here. if you ask me, the book on lin is still wide-open and he has alot to prove in this league.

also: i will be happy if we are matching, i think the felton/kidd/lin pg combo can work great and accentuate each players strengths.

VCoug wrote:

blkexec wrote:

VCoug wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i mean we are all figuring here that there's no way that dolan would tell grunwald to let lin walk because of the whole international $$$ thing. i would be shocked beyond belief if we don't match on lin. absolutely shocked if we don't.

Just think about it. Lin will cost nearly $57 million in year 3!!!! His $14.8 mil plus the $42 mil in Luxury Tax. There's no way that they can do a deal like that. It's not practical even with Lin being a money maker. They don't even know how long that will last. Suppose he has a bad year and all the excitement and Asian Corporate Sponsors dry up? I think this is the end of Lin in NY.

Then you have the idea that Woody wasn't exactly in love with Lin to begin with. I think he wants to play slow it down ball and Lin makes him nervous.

Even though we are the minority, I agree....

I think the smart move is to match Lin and see what happens in year one or two. If the jersey sales aren't enough of a draw to keep Lin, then you have the pg depth to trade Lin to a smaller market team looking to increase ticket and jersey sales.

But everybody keeps focusing on Felton and how he played in Mikes system.

Unfortunately, offense doesn't win championships. We just turned this Knick team into a strong balance of offense, defense and vet / championship experience team. With the most important positions in basketball sold up.....PG / CENTER

LIN WHO?

Yeah, I guess anytime you can trade a possibly up-and-coming young star PG for a mediocre, shoot first PG you have to do it.

Lin is a pass first PG, that excels on a team of roll players. When you have two superstars in Melo and Stat, you just need to keep adding old PG that know how to give them the ball.

Lin is nice, but for this team, we need a pass first PG. Nash is not coming, so this is plan B. With the NY pressure and media coverage, Felton will hold his own on defense. And run the pick and roll with Amari. Thats all we really need from our PG.

We don't need a PG to take more shots than Melo, and average double digit turnovers. I'm not saying get rid of Lin. I'm just saying, he's not ready right now to be a championship PG. And if he can't learn from all these vets we now have, then trade him.....

Great move......

Felton is not a pass first PG. He's shoot first. He averaged more shot attempts/game than Lin did last season.

Who said Felton is a pass first PG???????

If we are keeping Melo and Stat, then Felton is a welcomed addition, based on his chemistry with Amari. These are just facts. And why compare Feltons stats with Portland, when all you have to look at is Felton and Amari's stats with the knicks...Thats what I care about.

Lets drop you off in Portland and measure your work performance.

Felton was solid when he was here. Kidd is a future Hall A Famer. Lin is potential.

JamesKPolk wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Are there people really advocating crappy fat Felton over Lin?

Word. It's this reaction that is probably driving Lin away. At this point maybe he's better off somewhere else where the fans will appreciate him more. He ****ing revitalized this franchise and gave the fans more than anyone else for the last decade. This sucks if he isn't a Knick next year, even if he fizzled out.

wow dude it was a two-week stretch.. dude didn't even play in the playoffs. and let's not forget LIN IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE OFFER SHEET WITH THE ROCKETS, which included the poison pill yr3 making it nearly impossible for the knicks to match.

i like lin, i think he can be a pretty good player, but let's not act like we are letting lebron walk here. if you ask me, the book on lin is still wide-open and he has alot to prove in this league.

also: i will be happy if we are matching, i think the felton/kidd/lin pg combo can work great and accentuate each players strengths.

The Knicks didn't make him offer. They wanted him to sign an offer sheet. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Nobody is acting like we're letting LeBron go but Raymond f'n Felton is not an improvement over Lin, 20 games or not. Felton flat out sucks.

i have no issues with the knicks letting the market determine lin's value. im sure there are plenty of gm's out there who are/were questionable on just how good lin is and why would the knicks overpay if they didn't have to? no issue whatsoever with the knicks letting lin get a decent offer.

if you ask me, couldn't lin have just told the knicks what the rockets were offering and the knicks could've offered a similar deal w/o the poison pill?

nyk4ever wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Are there people really advocating crappy fat Felton over Lin?

Word. It's this reaction that is probably driving Lin away. At this point maybe he's better off somewhere else where the fans will appreciate him more. He ****ing revitalized this franchise and gave the fans more than anyone else for the last decade. This sucks if he isn't a Knick next year, even if he fizzled out.

wow dude it was a two-week stretch.. dude didn't even play in the playoffs. and let's not forget LIN IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE OFFER SHEET WITH THE ROCKETS, which included the poison pill yr3 making it nearly impossible for the knicks to match.

i like lin, i think he can be a pretty good player, but let's not act like we are letting lebron walk here. if you ask me, the book on lin is still wide-open and he has alot to prove in this league.

also: i will be happy if we are matching, i think the felton/kidd/lin pg combo can work great and accentuate each players strengths.

The Knicks didn't make him offer. They wanted him to sign an offer sheet. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Nobody is acting like we're letting LeBron go but Raymond f'n Felton is not an improvement over Lin, 20 games or not. Felton flat out sucks.

i have no issues with the knicks letting the market determine lin's value. im sure there are plenty of gm's out there who are/were questionable on just how good lin is and why would the knicks overpay if they didn't have to? no issue whatsoever with the knicks letting lin get a decent offer.

if you ask me, couldn't lin have just told the knicks what the rockets were offering and the knicks could've offered a similar deal w/o the poison pill?

No, the most we could have offered is around $24M over four years.

nyk4ever wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Are there people really advocating crappy fat Felton over Lin?

Word. It's this reaction that is probably driving Lin away. At this point maybe he's better off somewhere else where the fans will appreciate him more. He ****ing revitalized this franchise and gave the fans more than anyone else for the last decade. This sucks if he isn't a Knick next year, even if he fizzled out.

wow dude it was a two-week stretch.. dude didn't even play in the playoffs. and let's not forget LIN IS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE OFFER SHEET WITH THE ROCKETS, which included the poison pill yr3 making it nearly impossible for the knicks to match.

i like lin, i think he can be a pretty good player, but let's not act like we are letting lebron walk here. if you ask me, the book on lin is still wide-open and he has alot to prove in this league.

also: i will be happy if we are matching, i think the felton/kidd/lin pg combo can work great and accentuate each players strengths.

The Knicks didn't make him offer. They wanted him to sign an offer sheet. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Nobody is acting like we're letting LeBron go but Raymond f'n Felton is not an improvement over Lin, 20 games or not. Felton flat out sucks.

i have no issues with the knicks letting the market determine lin's value. im sure there are plenty of gm's out there who are/were questionable on just how good lin is and why would the knicks overpay if they didn't have to? no issue whatsoever with the knicks letting lin get a decent offer.

if you ask me, couldn't lin have just told the knicks what the rockets were offering and the knicks could've offered a similar deal w/o the poison pill?

What if we didn't match and the Rockets found out? Lin would have just kissed goodbye to a $25 M contract - which maybe the most money he can get anytime soon. You really expect someone to do that? When you pour your heart and soul in for a team and they are slimeball enough to not even make you an offer?