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smackeddog
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7/3/2012  3:21 PM
I don't think this was done to thwart a Knicks suns Nash trade- after all if it was all about getting Nash, why wouldn't they have just added the $20mil salary to Nash's offer instead? Would be hard for him to turn down $56mil over 3 years.

I think this is more aimed at getting Lin, and I hope it backfires

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7/3/2012  3:23 PM
This is a genius move by the raptors. The Knicks need Fields to get Nash. So they take Fields out of the equation for the Knicks. The problem is Fields is still in play until he actually signs the contract. I think the Raptors are playing Fields the Knicks and Nash. Fields was ok with S&T to Suns until this CRAZY offer. The offer can not be signed until July 11th but what does happen is Fields will no longer want trade to the suns. Since Nash is expected to make his decision within 2 to 4 days Nash will then choose TOR and the Raptors might renege on deal with Fields before he actually has the chance to sign the contract. After Nash commits to TOR he will not change his mind after getting Canadas hopes up. So in the end they get Nash and never actually signs Fields to that bad contract.
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7/3/2012  3:25 PM
smackeddog wrote:I don't think this was done to thwart a Knicks suns Nash trade- after all if it was all about getting Nash, why wouldn't they have just added the $20mil salary to Nash's offer instead? Would be hard for him to turn down $56mil over 3 years.

I think this is more aimed at getting Lin, and I hope it backfires

I agree but I think its both. Secure Nash and go with Lin as the backup plan and sell him on his nerdy handshake bb

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7/3/2012  3:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2012  3:33 PM
smackeddog wrote:I don't think this was done to thwart a Knicks suns Nash trade- after all if it was all about getting Nash, why wouldn't they have just added the $20mil salary to Nash's offer instead? Would be hard for him to turn down $56mil over 3 years.

I think this is more aimed at getting Lin, and I hope it backfires

I dont think they wanna give Nash that much. I think the logic was that if we match we can't trade for Nash and if we don't we have the tough decision of giving up Shump. Nash or Shump. To me they just trying to **** us every way they can.

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7/3/2012  3:39 PM
If toronto was smart which could be the plan let the knicks trade shump fir nash and then steal lin. That way you have your pg of the future in the nba's biggest asian market. While the knicks are stuck with TD at pg after Nash has a career ending injury and buyout
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7/3/2012  3:41 PM
gunsnewing wrote:If toronto was smart which could be the plan let the knicks trade shump fir nash and then steal lin. That way you have your pg of the future in the nba's biggest asian market. While the knicks are stuck with TD at pg after Nash has a career ending injury and buyout

But how would they steal Lin when we will match anything?

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7/3/2012  3:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:If toronto was smart which could be the plan let the knicks trade shump fir nash and then steal lin. That way you have your pg of the future in the nba's biggest asian market. While the knicks are stuck with TD at pg after Nash has a career ending injury and buyout

TOR can not steal Lin. He is a restricted free agent. The worse they can do is give him a backloaded contract and hope we don't match. We already said we will match any offer.

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7/3/2012  3:47 PM
I understand its just the fascination with nash that I worry about. That and the fact Dolan is our owner
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7/3/2012  3:47 PM
Andrew wrote:
Solace wrote:
Andrew wrote:
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Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.

Worse...but not so bad. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

Right. No bi-annual, no mid-level, can't increase salary at all in trade, no sign and trades, no Gilbert Arenas provision. In other words, you lose most avenues to improve your team. Your avenues to improve team are mini-mid level, veteran min contracts and trades where you reduce salary. In other words, 90% of the chances to improve team are gone. Not to mention the team is paying a higher percentage of luxury tax than in the previous CBA. That's pretty close to a hard cap. No flexibility. Do you give this up for Landry Fields? I don't.

Do you sign Lin then? Because by signing him you are probably already in that situation you described. That's why I think you match Fields, because either way you are going to be over the cap threshold.

Lin, yes. But that was under the assumption that no team was going to try to pay Lin $10 million a year. After this, who knows. But look, you don't necessarily need to keep Novak, etc... New CBA sucks.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/3/2012  3:47 PM
Knicks would be pretty stupid to match that offer. The guy will be untradable.

I rather bring Bill Walker for the minimum.

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7/3/2012  3:50 PM
Am I the only one who does not think they will actually sign him to this contract? It is just a ploy to make Nash think TOR is the only choice.
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7/3/2012  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2012  3:59 PM
Solace wrote: New CBA sucks.

I told yall the Owners were full of crap!!! I told yall not to trust the owners CBA's. Everytime Stern and the Owners make a new CBA they actually make things worse. They make changes that squeeze players but TOTALLY SCREW themselves. MLE was a problem cuz they overpaid and now we still have the same problem with back loaded contracts. The owners have always been their own worst enemy. They try to blame the players, but it's always been the owners.
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7/3/2012  4:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2012  4:20 PM
RonRon wrote:Terrence Ross
DeRozan
James Johnson
Kleiza
Fields


someone is going to get traded with Calderon or Bayless.

I expect Raptors to eventually offer a deal for Nash with some of these assets.
At least add their PG with these expiring/assets.

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7/3/2012  4:20 PM

Match it and start him. If he fails this year trade him. Everyone is tradeable. The value of an expiring contract.

Why would he want to go to that guard heavy team anyway?! Maybe that model girlfriend is putting on the pressure.

just kidding, I'm just jealous

Had enough Melo?
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7/3/2012  4:23 PM
We should put an offer sheet in front of Bayless.
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7/3/2012  4:23 PM
Can't match that **** contract that's an Isiah move let him go ,Turkelou part 2 for Toronto another bad contract.
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7/3/2012  4:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2012  4:31 PM
Poor Landry. His contract is the poster child for a failed CBA, a failed work stoppage, and he will regret the pressure put on him. This is UNIVERSALLY being panned as a bad move, and will be the topic of discussions for days to come. I am a fan of Landry, do not think he deserves 7 a year, and feel Toronto has done the NBA a disservice. If theyre willing to pay him 7, miss out on Nash, why wouldnt they pay Lin an average of 10 or 12? I mean, why not?
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7/3/2012  4:34 PM
Fields after the money and I dont blame him. The Knicks would be stupid to match that.

Jeremy Lin is going to be right behind him. I just hope in Lin case, he takes into account all the money he will be losing in endorsement and publicly if he leaves NY

"Linsanity" will die as soon as he leaves the media capital of the world.

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7/3/2012  4:37 PM
There is two ways to look at this.


A. Paying 5mm plus with a pike in year 3 is a Knick move of the past if we equate productivity. There are plenty of Spurs who make 1mm who did a lot more than Fields.

B. On the other hand the KNicks are strapped with what they an do in terms of bringing in talent they can only retain their own except MLE which wuill only be 3mm most likely.

If it was year 1 id say retin--year 2 I would say let him go and try for a S+T for a pick

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7/3/2012  5:02 PM
JamesKPolk wrote:
crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!

Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal

Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.

So we're going to replace Landry Fields with....Landry Fields?


Weems is not even a poor man's Landry Fields. He's worse in every category.
Fields agree to 3-year deal with Toronto

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