JohnStarksFan wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

callmened wrote:Ok...so now that we hv jr back for at least next yr...canwe move onto r other needs..now we hv 3 SGs in jr fields and shump

Calling Fields a SG is a bit of a stretch. He's closer to "designated half of the SuperNerd pregame ritual guy." Or "Gimmick Glue Guy Starter"

The link our sponsor has on the home page to KnicksBricks shows some sort of telling stats that either elaborate JR's black hole syndrome and/or the fact that with all the injuries/alzheimer's patients we had at PG this past season, he was thrust into more of a creator role than he ever should be.

I still liked the dunks. Half a season and all we got was a bad twitter pic and illegal operation of a moped. Not bad. Let Dolan give him some cash.

I think we're dissing Fields a bit hard. I mean, he's shown a lot of promise, and a lot of deficiencies. Does he get caught out there too often against quicker, more athletic guards? Yea. Do we as a community think he is a true SG? No. Can he be that Glue Guy (minus the Gimmick part) off the bench that can efficiently come into the game in the 2 or 3 spot and contribute to our winning? Yes. Has he shown flashes of being a consistently good NBA player? Yes.

As long as he works hard, like works his A** off, he has lots of upside for us.

Knicks fans love him (openly or secretly)
He's always ready
He's not overly flashy or dramatic
Has added toughness to his game - mostly shown when going to the rim against a bigger defender
Can get to the rim much easier now than he ever has
He's a positive figure for the youth of NYC

I say we see what's in store, and then make the judgement.

My point was, he's not a starter. JR or Shump should be 1 and 1A, interchangeably. Landry's your third option, which may not do much for his game after living as a starter for the past two years.

Your list of upsides is a bit wanting, although i have to concede not being injured is a major plus and almost an aberration on this team.

He can get to the rim easier than he ever has? As opposed to what? I doubt that trend continues as defenders continue to lay off him and his farcical j. Don't get me too wrong, I like Fields, he's a throwback Bill Bradley plus hops with a big minus on the jumper. But he's a bench player at best on this team when everyone's healthy now, let alone if we land another scoring option at guard.

Again, given the backcourts injury history and JR's inconsistencies, this whole conversation may be moot. "Now starting for your New York Knicks..."

Wonder whatever happened to Andy Rautins?

callmened wrote:so im confused...i thought JR was opting out to stay with the knix for $2.8mil..and then we would sign him to a LONGER and more EXPENSIVE contract the following yr...OR is he asking for the long term deal now...that would mean we would have to use the MLE on him right1?!?!

actually i dont have the biggest problem with this...we werent gonna use the MLE on nash, kiss or someone else (cuz i dont think they were ever coming here)...ideally i wanted the MLE on felton or foye but i think they would ask more than $5mil...so if the MLE is used on JR i dont mind

my main concern is using the LLE to get odom and the mini vet to get camby...ive also been on record in "pointing" out that TD can still be a decent back up at PG for only 8-10mins per game

MLE = JR
LLE = Odom
MiniVet = Camby

Your desire to rack up the old men on this team for next year, the guys who WERE impact players on contending teams, astounds me.
We don't need names, we need a TEAM.

Stoudemire, Anthony, Chandler, JR, Lin - enough star power. Now we need guys who will follow their lead and be unsung heroes. My opinion.

I think the only vet we spend money on is a PG.

jrodmc wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

callmened wrote:so im confused...i thought JR was opting out to stay with the knix for $2.8mil..and then we would sign him to a LONGER and more EXPENSIVE contract the following yr...OR is he asking for the long term deal now...that would mean we would have to use the MLE on him right1?!?!

actually i dont have the biggest problem with this...we werent gonna use the MLE on nash, kiss or someone else (cuz i dont think they were ever coming here)...ideally i wanted the MLE on felton or foye but i think they would ask more than $5mil...so if the MLE is used on JR i dont mind

my main concern is using the LLE to get odom and the mini vet to get camby...ive also been on record in "pointing" out that TD can still be a decent back up at PG for only 8-10mins per game

MLE = JR
LLE = Odom
MiniVet = Camby

Your desire to rack up the old men on this team for next year, the guys who WERE impact players on contending teams, astounds me.
We don't need names, we need a TEAM.

Stoudemire, Anthony, Chandler, JR, Lin - enough star power. Now we need guys who will follow their lead and be unsung heroes. My opinion.

I think the only vet we spend money on is a PG.

+1, except the signing of the vet PG. Given our PDiddy/Bibby fiasco, I'd pass on that too. If we've conceded that we have enough star power, get me some nondescript, young true PG who doesn't have an injury history [does that player exist?]

Kirk Hinrich had a terrible year.. was he hurt? He's only 31 and can play well at both ends. That might be a nice fit also

so is JR staying for 2.8mil...or do we have to use the MLE on him?

IrishKnickFan wrote:

callmened wrote:im confused...

so is JR staying for 2.8mil...or do we have to use the MLE on him?

hopefully 2.8 million raise and nothing more but i dont trust JR to be honest he may demand more

if JR asks for more than that, we would have to dip into the MLE for him, and I would guess he would be a no-go

fishmike wrote:mixed feelings... why would he settle for 4 years and $12mm from the Knicks? That strikes me as below market. He's 26, athletic, can shoot the 3, play some PG. His agent cant get him a full MLE deal?

He might be taking the Knicks gig for cheap because he lives around here and low $$ = low expectations. Doesnt seem like a good add up

Because as he has proved on the court, HE IS REALLY DUMB!