blackisblack wrote:I never really had any hopes that Phil would come to Knicks. The bottomline is that it is the players that are on the floor, not the coach. They are the ones who has to shoot the ball, not the coach. However, I agree with his assessment about the Big Two. He knows what he is talking about.

The funny thing is almost everyone was clamoring for Phil Jackson before this. Now that he said not very nice things about the Big Two, suddenly he is a bad coach. Ahahahaaha.....

What's funny is when I was calling for dantoni to finally be fired after the 7-18 or whatever start and go after Phil in the offseason I was told Phil was not coming by the same people who are now saying the Knicks should've put in a call. Which one is it? I'm happy with Woodson. Phil was never coming and quite frankly he is old and it is not a given he can turn the knicks around in 2-3yrs before he retires for good. Let's build some continuity with Woodson. I'd like to point out that he led a young Hawks team to multiple 50win seasons. Avery Johnson made the Finals because he had Dirk and Mike Brown had Lebron. I will take Woodson over all those guys like frank, byron. He is right there with Carlisle in my book. Both demand respect and hold their players accountable. Brooks and Spoelstra have durant, westbrook, lebron, wade and bosh by the way.

Keep hating on Woodson. Crow will taste even more bitter once the season rolls around and we get off to our best start since JVG. No not since MDA

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

A couple of things in regards to the former coach. During the summer of 2010 some analysts were saying LBJ would not come to the Knicks because he knew how important defense was to winning a championship. I think LBJ knew where he was going all along but there were some that were saying that. Also, I agree that money was what brought STAT to NY. However, he and D'Antoni did have a reconciliation meeting and that is a far cry from guys clamoring to play for him in my opinion.

It wasn't MDA's fault that there were disagreements. I already posted that the reason for STAT and MDA having issues was because STAT didn't defend and rebound. This was all about STAT failing to do what he should as he's shown since being a Knick. STAT even admitted that he was immature and wrong. Both he and Melo are to blame for not doing everything they could to help the team win. It starts with giving max effort every game. Neither STAT nor Melo did that for the entire season. We get great play for stretches only.

It's been my opinion that when evaluating players you want guys that NATURALLY give great effort rather than guys you have to goad all the time. Some whipping is OK, but you don't want to have to coach EFFORT all the time. You don't want guys that don't like playing in a team concept. It just makes things harder. We've seen that when you have a good coach and coachable players teams can accomplish a lot. That's what we saw last year before the trade and this year during Linsanity. Lesser players coming together and playing team ball. Now if you can also get that from your star players then you have something special.

I am pretty sure nothing is his fault unfortunately circumstances keep coming up where he is a participant. Also, I think we saw some pretty good ball being played when the Knicks went 18-6 under Woodson and had the second best record to the Spurs for that span of time. It also was great never having back to back losses.

No one ever said MDA was faultless. How is it that STAT still isn't a good defender after having 4 different coaches??? MDA got on his case about it and he was right. What I do know is that whenever MDA had a team willing and able to play team ball he won games. Here in NY he had that for exactly half of the 2010 season and then for a short stretch during Linsanity... THAT'S IT!!! You continually bring up the 1st 2 years when you know good and well the team wasn't making any effort to try and win, by bringing in players that could help the team win. You can keep on talking like you don't know that and bashing MDA, but you know it's the truth. Melo sabotaged what could've been a much better season and that's not MDA's fault. That is a selfish player only concerned with himself.

Woody has a lot to prove IMO. IMO he got lucky that the team raised their effort level as teams tend to do after a coaching change and then he got another big boost from Melo catching fire to close the season. He also failed to get the team to focus in the one important and winnable game that could've gotten them out of a series with the Heat. He failed to develop a scheme where the whole team could excel and not just Melo. I saw nothing that really impressed me in the playoffs. You can go ahead and believe that Woody proved something but i'm not fooled. He's been an ATROCIOUS playoff coach over his career!!! He's gonna have to do a lot more than 18-6 to prove that he's the coach to lead this team deep in the playoffs.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

A couple of things in regards to the former coach. During the summer of 2010 some analysts were saying LBJ would not come to the Knicks because he knew how important defense was to winning a championship. I think LBJ knew where he was going all along but there were some that were saying that. Also, I agree that money was what brought STAT to NY. However, he and D'Antoni did have a reconciliation meeting and that is a far cry from guys clamoring to play for him in my opinion.

It wasn't MDA's fault that there were disagreements. I already posted that the reason for STAT and MDA having issues was because STAT didn't defend and rebound. This was all about STAT failing to do what he should as he's shown since being a Knick. STAT even admitted that he was immature and wrong. Both he and Melo are to blame for not doing everything they could to help the team win. It starts with giving max effort every game. Neither STAT nor Melo did that for the entire season. We get great play for stretches only.

It's been my opinion that when evaluating players you want guys that NATURALLY give great effort rather than guys you have to goad all the time. Some whipping is OK, but you don't want to have to coach EFFORT all the time. You don't want guys that don't like playing in a team concept. It just makes things harder. We've seen that when you have a good coach and coachable players teams can accomplish a lot. That's what we saw last year before the trade and this year during Linsanity. Lesser players coming together and playing team ball. Now if you can also get that from your star players then you have something special.

I am pretty sure nothing is his fault unfortunately circumstances keep coming up where he is a participant. Also, I think we saw some pretty good ball being played when the Knicks went 18-6 under Woodson and had the second best record to the Spurs for that span of time. It also was great never having back to back losses.

No one ever said MDA was faultless. How is it that STAT still isn't a good defender after having 4 different coaches??? MDA got on his case about it and he was right. What I do know is that whenever MDA had a team willing and able to play team ball he won games. Here in NY he had that for exactly half of the 2010 season and then for a short stretch during Linsanity... THAT'S IT!!! You continually bring up the 1st 2 years when you know good and well the team wasn't making any effort to try and win, by bringing in players that could help the team win. You can keep on talking like you don't know that and bashing MDA, but you know it's the truth. Melo sabotaged what could've been a much better season and that's not MDA's fault. That is a selfish player only concerned with himself.

Woody has a lot to prove IMO. IMO he got lucky that the team raised their effort level as teams tend to do after a coaching change and then he got another big boost from Melo catching fire to close the season. He also failed to get the team to focus in the one important and winnable game that could've gotten them out of a series with the Heat. He failed to develop a scheme where the whole team could excel and not just Melo. I saw nothing that really impressed me in the playoffs. You can go ahead and believe that Woody proved something but i'm not fooled. He's been an ATROCIOUS playoff coach over his career!!! He's gonna have to do a lot more than 18-6 to prove that he's the coach to lead this team deep in the playoffs.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't believe the Knicks ever went on an 18-6 run during D'Antoni's entire tenure here. It also was great to not have any of those long losing streaks that characterized his time in NY. Also, while I found fault with his first year, my main complaint has always been how he handled things his second year. Honestly, he has never won without Nash as his point. He was two games over .500 when Felton was traded. The 8 game Linsanity run in an almost 4 year tenure where he coached almost 300 games just postponed the inevitable in regards to his future with the team.

The team was winning before Melo came back. As soon as he came things fell apart. Now you can try and confuse the issues but that is a fact. The team went 2-8 after Melo came back and the very day that MDA resigned all of a sudden magically Melo started playing harder and trying to fit into a team concept. It was clear that his attitude was effecting the entire team.

One way that we know that a lot of it was Melo is that the team was able to quickly pickup its play the very day that he picked up his effort against the Trailblazers. What it showed was that if he gave max effort and led the way, the team would respond positively. Think about it. NOTHING changed in the 1st few weeks after MDA left. The offense was the same! The defense was the same, in fact Woody and MDA's D is the exact same scheme anyway. Even Melo was pretty much still stinking on offense and yet the team started winning immediately as soon as Melo started playing hard!!! He was clearly doggin it before that and that put a drag on the entire team. As soon as he picked up his energy and effort it impacted the entire team. So it wasn't some brilliant coaching move or change in system, cuz everything was the same.

Now if you want to present some hard evidence that there were major changes from day one after MDA left other than Melo leading the way in playing harder, then show it. You know that there isn't any!!!

It’s never a dull day when you cover the New York Knicks, but after practice yesterday, when Carmelo Anthony did his best to take the focus off of his team’s nascent winning ways, we officially reached a new level of incredulity.

Per Newsday’s Kimberly A. Martin, Anthony said “I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season, especially on the defensive end.”

Wow.

Did ‘Melo really utter those words aloud? In public? In front of the media?

Where has his energy been all season? Was it sapped by his point forward duties? Was it eclipsed by his nagging injuries? No, I think we must assume that Carmelo believes that the deposed Mike D’Antoni robbed Anthony of his energy. In fairness, the only difference over the last three games is the coach, right?

To quote Mitt Romney, I find this to be a extraordinary! Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a player who gets paid over $18 million dollars a year to play basketball, right? Heck, isn’t this the guy who had zero problem exerting all of his “energy” in manipulating his way out of Denver? Is this not the “superstar” who has repeatedly proclaimed himself to be the “leader” of the Knicks?

But it doesn’t stop there.

“When he got the job, I told him, ‘Hold me accountable,’ ” Anthony said of new interim coach Mike Woodson. “I don’t have a problem with criticism. If I can do something to help better this team, let me know. And he’s been doing that.”

Again, call me crazy, but it sure seems like Anthony believes that Woodson has done a better job than D’Antoni at holding him accountable (he certainly hasn’t helped the small forward recapture his shooting form). I’m sorry, but if you’re holding yourself out there as one of the best players in the world, how, exactly, is it that you need someone to hold you accountable? Shouldn’t you be holding yourself accountable?

Is this where we are when it comes to “professional” athletes? They get all the praise and accolades when they successfully “do this,” but when they stumble, it’s someone else’s fault?

How about we try a new approach, Carmelo? It’s called honesty. Keep in mind, honesty is different than transparency. When you make statements about your effort—or in this case, a shocking lack thereof—we see through your words. We see that your agenda lies somewhere between shots across MDA’s bow and laying the groundwork to excuse your future failures.

Instead, why not just come out and say “I just couldn’t play for that other guy. It was either him or me, and in the end, it was him. It’s nothing personal, we just needed a change to reach our potential here, and I respect him for stepping aside. He’s a good man, a good coach, and I respect him greatly. Sometimes things don’t work out, and in this case, I take full responsibility for that, not because I want to be portrayed as a villain, but because I am being honest. I definitely learned a lot through this experience, and I am going to use this to become a better, more complete player, and more importantly, a better leader and a better example to my teammates.”

The irony about ‘Melo holding court on issues like accountability is that he seems completely unable to apply the concept to himself, himself. Making such statements, just as the Knicks may be emerging from their recent funk, only serves to further the narrative—one that I’m increasingly becoming tied to, by the way—and to encourage even more questions and criticisms.

Maybe Anthony doesn’t understand the gravity of his statements. Perhaps he was just making the same observation that everyone else already has—that his effort, energy and willingness to do whatever it takes to win is and always has been entirely within his control. The sad thing is that most of his teammates already “do this”—also known as trying—every single night.

This isn’t about MDA-people v. Carmelo-people, either. This is about calling a player out for his admission that he hasn’t played with maximum effort in the past. We can live with failure ‘round here, but we cannot accept anything less than a player’s all. Save that stuff for when you play in some NBA outpost like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Ultimately, wins have a funny way of curing all, especially here in Gotham, but by opening Pandora’s Box, Carmelo just made his effort and/or energy fair game from now on. Going forward, I hope never to have to ask him about his effort, but deep down, I probably know better.

http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/2012/03/20/melo-keepin-it-real-real-transparent/

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't believe the Knicks ever went on an 18-6 run during D'Antoni's entire tenure here. It also was great to not have any of those long losing streaks that characterized his time in NY. Also, while I found fault with his first year, my main complaint has always been how he handled things his second year. Honestly, he has never won without Nash as his point. He was two games over .500 when Felton was traded. The 8 game Linsanity run in an almost 4 year tenure where he coached almost 300 games just postponed the inevitable in regards to his future with the team.

The team was winning before Melo came back. As soon as he came things fell apart. Now you can try and confuse the issues but that is a fact. The team went 2-8 after Melo came back and the very day that MDA resigned all of a sudden magically Melo started playing harder and trying to fit into a team concept. It was clear that his attitude was effecting the entire team.

One way that we know that a lot of it was Melo is that the team was able to quickly pickup its play the very day that he picked up his effort against the Trailblazers. What it showed was that if he gave max effort and led the way, the team would respond positively. Think about it. NOTHING changed in the 1st few weeks after MDA left. The offense was the same! The defense was the same, in fact Woody and MDA's D is the exact same scheme anyway. Even Melo was pretty much still stinking on offense and yet the team started winning immediately as soon as Melo started playing hard!!! He was clearly doggin it before that and that put a drag on the entire team. As soon as he picked up his energy and effort it impacted the entire team. So it wasn't some brilliant coaching move or change in system, cuz everything was the same.

Now if you want to present some hard evidence that there were major changes from day one after MDA left other than Melo leading the way in playing harder, then show it. You know that there isn't any!!!

It’s never a dull day when you cover the New York Knicks, but after practice yesterday, when Carmelo Anthony did his best to take the focus off of his team’s nascent winning ways, we officially reached a new level of incredulity.

Per Newsday’s Kimberly A. Martin, Anthony said “I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season, especially on the defensive end.”

Wow.

Did ‘Melo really utter those words aloud? In public? In front of the media?

Where has his energy been all season? Was it sapped by his point forward duties? Was it eclipsed by his nagging injuries? No, I think we must assume that Carmelo believes that the deposed Mike D’Antoni robbed Anthony of his energy. In fairness, the only difference over the last three games is the coach, right?

To quote Mitt Romney, I find this to be a extraordinary! Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a player who gets paid over $18 million dollars a year to play basketball, right? Heck, isn’t this the guy who had zero problem exerting all of his “energy” in manipulating his way out of Denver? Is this not the “superstar” who has repeatedly proclaimed himself to be the “leader” of the Knicks?

But it doesn’t stop there.

“When he got the job, I told him, ‘Hold me accountable,’ ” Anthony said of new interim coach Mike Woodson. “I don’t have a problem with criticism. If I can do something to help better this team, let me know. And he’s been doing that.”

Again, call me crazy, but it sure seems like Anthony believes that Woodson has done a better job than D’Antoni at holding him accountable (he certainly hasn’t helped the small forward recapture his shooting form). I’m sorry, but if you’re holding yourself out there as one of the best players in the world, how, exactly, is it that you need someone to hold you accountable? Shouldn’t you be holding yourself accountable?

Is this where we are when it comes to “professional” athletes? They get all the praise and accolades when they successfully “do this,” but when they stumble, it’s someone else’s fault?

How about we try a new approach, Carmelo? It’s called honesty. Keep in mind, honesty is different than transparency. When you make statements about your effort—or in this case, a shocking lack thereof—we see through your words. We see that your agenda lies somewhere between shots across MDA’s bow and laying the groundwork to excuse your future failures.

Instead, why not just come out and say “I just couldn’t play for that other guy. It was either him or me, and in the end, it was him. It’s nothing personal, we just needed a change to reach our potential here, and I respect him for stepping aside. He’s a good man, a good coach, and I respect him greatly. Sometimes things don’t work out, and in this case, I take full responsibility for that, not because I want to be portrayed as a villain, but because I am being honest. I definitely learned a lot through this experience, and I am going to use this to become a better, more complete player, and more importantly, a better leader and a better example to my teammates.”

The irony about ‘Melo holding court on issues like accountability is that he seems completely unable to apply the concept to himself, himself. Making such statements, just as the Knicks may be emerging from their recent funk, only serves to further the narrative—one that I’m increasingly becoming tied to, by the way—and to encourage even more questions and criticisms.

Maybe Anthony doesn’t understand the gravity of his statements. Perhaps he was just making the same observation that everyone else already has—that his effort, energy and willingness to do whatever it takes to win is and always has been entirely within his control. The sad thing is that most of his teammates already “do this”—also known as trying—every single night.

This isn’t about MDA-people v. Carmelo-people, either. This is about calling a player out for his admission that he hasn’t played with maximum effort in the past. We can live with failure ‘round here, but we cannot accept anything less than a player’s all. Save that stuff for when you play in some NBA outpost like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Ultimately, wins have a funny way of curing all, especially here in Gotham, but by opening Pandora’s Box, Carmelo just made his effort and/or energy fair game from now on. Going forward, I hope never to have to ask him about his effort, but deep down, I probably know better.

http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/2012/03/20/melo-keepin-it-real-real-transparent/

If that 2-8 run was the only or one of only a few losing streaks in D'Antoni's career in NY you might have a point. However, his entire tenure in NY was characterized by long losing streaks. The guy coached the Knicks for 288 games. I don't think you can comparmentalize and say that the Knicks were going to continue on an 8-1 type pace when there were 279 other games coached in NY and the majority of them would indicate that 2-8 was much closer to D'Antoni's results than 8-1. I am paraphrasing but I remember Melo saying that he liked that Woodson held him accountable and when asked if D'Antoni did he said, 'that wasn't him."

WTF? Did you not just admit that MDA's 1st year wasn't exactly something you held against him? You don't like how he handled year 2, fine, but then in year 3 the team did have a winning record despite all the change to the roster. Funny how finally MDA had a decent PG in Felton and all of a sudden the team was playing much better. This year was saw further proof that having a capable PG was always a huge factor in the W/L record. For the brief time that he had good PG's the team played well.

As for the idea that Woody held Melo accountable, what the heck does that really mean? STAT had his best career years playing for MDA and Tyson was playing GREAT as well under MDA. It's not like they needed to be yelled at to be good. Lin didn't seem to have a problem playing for MDA and when the team was winning every other role player was doing well under MDA. The only guy who stunk ALL the time he played for MDA was Melo and he admitted that he wasn't giving his all. MDA is not some bum and he has a better playoff record than Woody.

As i've said many times. The team immediately played better the very day that MDA resigned and before Woody even had a single practice. Woody couldn't even install anything new for weeks and yet the team was blowing teams out in every game. So what miracle did Woody perform as coach when he couldn't even make any real substantive changes? NO it wasn't him as much as it was that Melo, THE BEST PLAYER ON THE F'N TEAM finally gave a damn and it pushed the entire team to play better. Isn't that a more accurate explanation of what happened in the 1st couple of weeks when the Knicks sudden went nuts blowing teams out? If the only thing players could point to was "being held accountable" in those early wins then you really have nothing to stand on. He didn't change the offense. Didn't change the defense and all of a sudden the team was blowing teams out from day one with no real practice time!!! COME ON!!!

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't believe the Knicks ever went on an 18-6 run during D'Antoni's entire tenure here. It also was great to not have any of those long losing streaks that characterized his time in NY. Also, while I found fault with his first year, my main complaint has always been how he handled things his second year. Honestly, he has never won without Nash as his point. He was two games over .500 when Felton was traded. The 8 game Linsanity run in an almost 4 year tenure where he coached almost 300 games just postponed the inevitable in regards to his future with the team.

The team was winning before Melo came back. As soon as he came things fell apart. Now you can try and confuse the issues but that is a fact. The team went 2-8 after Melo came back and the very day that MDA resigned all of a sudden magically Melo started playing harder and trying to fit into a team concept. It was clear that his attitude was effecting the entire team.

One way that we know that a lot of it was Melo is that the team was able to quickly pickup its play the very day that he picked up his effort against the Trailblazers. What it showed was that if he gave max effort and led the way, the team would respond positively. Think about it. NOTHING changed in the 1st few weeks after MDA left. The offense was the same! The defense was the same, in fact Woody and MDA's D is the exact same scheme anyway. Even Melo was pretty much still stinking on offense and yet the team started winning immediately as soon as Melo started playing hard!!! He was clearly doggin it before that and that put a drag on the entire team. As soon as he picked up his energy and effort it impacted the entire team. So it wasn't some brilliant coaching move or change in system, cuz everything was the same.

Now if you want to present some hard evidence that there were major changes from day one after MDA left other than Melo leading the way in playing harder, then show it. You know that there isn't any!!!

It’s never a dull day when you cover the New York Knicks, but after practice yesterday, when Carmelo Anthony did his best to take the focus off of his team’s nascent winning ways, we officially reached a new level of incredulity.

Per Newsday’s Kimberly A. Martin, Anthony said “I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season, especially on the defensive end.”

Wow.

Did ‘Melo really utter those words aloud? In public? In front of the media?

Where has his energy been all season? Was it sapped by his point forward duties? Was it eclipsed by his nagging injuries? No, I think we must assume that Carmelo believes that the deposed Mike D’Antoni robbed Anthony of his energy. In fairness, the only difference over the last three games is the coach, right?

To quote Mitt Romney, I find this to be a extraordinary! Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a player who gets paid over $18 million dollars a year to play basketball, right? Heck, isn’t this the guy who had zero problem exerting all of his “energy” in manipulating his way out of Denver? Is this not the “superstar” who has repeatedly proclaimed himself to be the “leader” of the Knicks?

But it doesn’t stop there.

“When he got the job, I told him, ‘Hold me accountable,’ ” Anthony said of new interim coach Mike Woodson. “I don’t have a problem with criticism. If I can do something to help better this team, let me know. And he’s been doing that.”

Again, call me crazy, but it sure seems like Anthony believes that Woodson has done a better job than D’Antoni at holding him accountable (he certainly hasn’t helped the small forward recapture his shooting form). I’m sorry, but if you’re holding yourself out there as one of the best players in the world, how, exactly, is it that you need someone to hold you accountable? Shouldn’t you be holding yourself accountable?

Is this where we are when it comes to “professional” athletes? They get all the praise and accolades when they successfully “do this,” but when they stumble, it’s someone else’s fault?

How about we try a new approach, Carmelo? It’s called honesty. Keep in mind, honesty is different than transparency. When you make statements about your effort—or in this case, a shocking lack thereof—we see through your words. We see that your agenda lies somewhere between shots across MDA’s bow and laying the groundwork to excuse your future failures.

Instead, why not just come out and say “I just couldn’t play for that other guy. It was either him or me, and in the end, it was him. It’s nothing personal, we just needed a change to reach our potential here, and I respect him for stepping aside. He’s a good man, a good coach, and I respect him greatly. Sometimes things don’t work out, and in this case, I take full responsibility for that, not because I want to be portrayed as a villain, but because I am being honest. I definitely learned a lot through this experience, and I am going to use this to become a better, more complete player, and more importantly, a better leader and a better example to my teammates.”

The irony about ‘Melo holding court on issues like accountability is that he seems completely unable to apply the concept to himself, himself. Making such statements, just as the Knicks may be emerging from their recent funk, only serves to further the narrative—one that I’m increasingly becoming tied to, by the way—and to encourage even more questions and criticisms.

Maybe Anthony doesn’t understand the gravity of his statements. Perhaps he was just making the same observation that everyone else already has—that his effort, energy and willingness to do whatever it takes to win is and always has been entirely within his control. The sad thing is that most of his teammates already “do this”—also known as trying—every single night.

This isn’t about MDA-people v. Carmelo-people, either. This is about calling a player out for his admission that he hasn’t played with maximum effort in the past. We can live with failure ‘round here, but we cannot accept anything less than a player’s all. Save that stuff for when you play in some NBA outpost like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Ultimately, wins have a funny way of curing all, especially here in Gotham, but by opening Pandora’s Box, Carmelo just made his effort and/or energy fair game from now on. Going forward, I hope never to have to ask him about his effort, but deep down, I probably know better.

http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/2012/03/20/melo-keepin-it-real-real-transparent/

If that 2-8 run was the only or one of only a few losing streaks in D'Antoni's career in NY you might have a point. However, his entire tenure in NY was characterized by long losing streaks. The guy coached the Knicks for 288 games. I don't think you can comparmentalize and say that the Knicks were going to continue on an 8-1 type pace when there were 279 other games coached in NY and the majority of them would indicate that 2-8 was much closer to D'Antoni's results than 8-1. I am paraphrasing but I remember Melo saying that he liked that Woodson held him accountable and when asked if D'Antoni did he said, 'that wasn't him."

WTF? Did you not just admit that MDA's 1st year wasn't exactly something you held against him? You don't like how he handled year 2, fine, but then in year 3 the team did have a winning record despite all the change to the roster. Funny how finally MDA had a decent PG in Felton and all of a sudden the team was playing much better. This year was saw further proof that having a capable PG was always a huge factor in the W/L record. For the brief time that he had good PG's the team played well.

As for the idea that Woody held Melo accountable, what the heck does that really mean? STAT had his best career years playing for MDA and Tyson was playing GREAT as well under MDA. It's not like they needed to be yelled at to be good. Lin didn't seem to have a problem playing for MDA and when the team was winning every other role player was doing well under MDA. The only guy who stunk ALL the time he played for MDA was Melo and he admitted that he wasn't giving his all. MDA is not some bum and he has a better playoff record than Woody.

As i've said many times. The team immediately played better the very day that MDA resigned and before Woody even had a single practice. Woody couldn't even install anything new for weeks and yet the team was blowing teams out in every game. So what miracle did Woody perform as coach when he couldn't even make any real substantive changes? NO it wasn't him as much as it was that Melo, THE BEST PLAYER ON THE F'N TEAM finally gave a damn and it pushed the entire team to play better. Isn't that a more accurate explanation of what happened in the 1st couple of weeks when the Knicks sudden went nuts blowing teams out? If the only thing players could point to was "being held accountable" in those early wins then you really have nothing to stand on. He didn't change the offense. Didn't change the defense and all of a sudden the team was blowing teams out from day one with no real practice time!!! COME ON!!!

I was against the initial hire of Mike and never thought it would work out. In fact I was very outspoken about it and unlike investing in a star player it is much easier to change a coach. I didn't like how he handled things in year one but I don't think you could find anyone in basketball that could have handled year 2 worse than he did. So if saying someone wasn't as much of a disaster in their first year I agree with you. He should not have been brought back for year 3 in my opinion.

In regards to year 3, the Knicks were 2 games over .500 when they did the Melo trade. That is better but if you consider how much Stat wore down in the second half it is hard to be sure that they would continue their 2 games over .500 pace.

I think D'Antoni had lost the team when he resigned. I think whatever his message was it wasn't getting across. There has been a lot written about how teams respond initially to a coaching change and the Knicks certainly did this. However, the Knicks didn't just win a couple of games. They had the best record in the nba except for the Spurs during Woodson's tenure. Woodson and his team got to 18 wins in 18 fewer games then D'Antoni did when he was coaching the same team. The team didn't lose back to back games for the final 24 games. D'Antoni was not effective with this group. I have no issue with the argument that he needed a point guard at the start of the season but I do think Knicks management was giving him the year to see what he could do with their three 'stars'. It didn't work out for him and his record in NY had an awful lot of losses and drama pre-Melo.

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't believe the Knicks ever went on an 18-6 run during D'Antoni's entire tenure here. It also was great to not have any of those long losing streaks that characterized his time in NY. Also, while I found fault with his first year, my main complaint has always been how he handled things his second year. Honestly, he has never won without Nash as his point. He was two games over .500 when Felton was traded. The 8 game Linsanity run in an almost 4 year tenure where he coached almost 300 games just postponed the inevitable in regards to his future with the team.

The team was winning before Melo came back. As soon as he came things fell apart. Now you can try and confuse the issues but that is a fact. The team went 2-8 after Melo came back and the very day that MDA resigned all of a sudden magically Melo started playing harder and trying to fit into a team concept. It was clear that his attitude was effecting the entire team.

One way that we know that a lot of it was Melo is that the team was able to quickly pickup its play the very day that he picked up his effort against the Trailblazers. What it showed was that if he gave max effort and led the way, the team would respond positively. Think about it. NOTHING changed in the 1st few weeks after MDA left. The offense was the same! The defense was the same, in fact Woody and MDA's D is the exact same scheme anyway. Even Melo was pretty much still stinking on offense and yet the team started winning immediately as soon as Melo started playing hard!!! He was clearly doggin it before that and that put a drag on the entire team. As soon as he picked up his energy and effort it impacted the entire team. So it wasn't some brilliant coaching move or change in system, cuz everything was the same.

Now if you want to present some hard evidence that there were major changes from day one after MDA left other than Melo leading the way in playing harder, then show it. You know that there isn't any!!!

It’s never a dull day when you cover the New York Knicks, but after practice yesterday, when Carmelo Anthony did his best to take the focus off of his team’s nascent winning ways, we officially reached a new level of incredulity.

Per Newsday’s Kimberly A. Martin, Anthony said “I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season, especially on the defensive end.”

Wow.

Did ‘Melo really utter those words aloud? In public? In front of the media?

Where has his energy been all season? Was it sapped by his point forward duties? Was it eclipsed by his nagging injuries? No, I think we must assume that Carmelo believes that the deposed Mike D’Antoni robbed Anthony of his energy. In fairness, the only difference over the last three games is the coach, right?

To quote Mitt Romney, I find this to be a extraordinary! Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a player who gets paid over $18 million dollars a year to play basketball, right? Heck, isn’t this the guy who had zero problem exerting all of his “energy” in manipulating his way out of Denver? Is this not the “superstar” who has repeatedly proclaimed himself to be the “leader” of the Knicks?

But it doesn’t stop there.

“When he got the job, I told him, ‘Hold me accountable,’ ” Anthony said of new interim coach Mike Woodson. “I don’t have a problem with criticism. If I can do something to help better this team, let me know. And he’s been doing that.”

Again, call me crazy, but it sure seems like Anthony believes that Woodson has done a better job than D’Antoni at holding him accountable (he certainly hasn’t helped the small forward recapture his shooting form). I’m sorry, but if you’re holding yourself out there as one of the best players in the world, how, exactly, is it that you need someone to hold you accountable? Shouldn’t you be holding yourself accountable?

Is this where we are when it comes to “professional” athletes? They get all the praise and accolades when they successfully “do this,” but when they stumble, it’s someone else’s fault?

How about we try a new approach, Carmelo? It’s called honesty. Keep in mind, honesty is different than transparency. When you make statements about your effort—or in this case, a shocking lack thereof—we see through your words. We see that your agenda lies somewhere between shots across MDA’s bow and laying the groundwork to excuse your future failures.

Instead, why not just come out and say “I just couldn’t play for that other guy. It was either him or me, and in the end, it was him. It’s nothing personal, we just needed a change to reach our potential here, and I respect him for stepping aside. He’s a good man, a good coach, and I respect him greatly. Sometimes things don’t work out, and in this case, I take full responsibility for that, not because I want to be portrayed as a villain, but because I am being honest. I definitely learned a lot through this experience, and I am going to use this to become a better, more complete player, and more importantly, a better leader and a better example to my teammates.”

The irony about ‘Melo holding court on issues like accountability is that he seems completely unable to apply the concept to himself, himself. Making such statements, just as the Knicks may be emerging from their recent funk, only serves to further the narrative—one that I’m increasingly becoming tied to, by the way—and to encourage even more questions and criticisms.

Maybe Anthony doesn’t understand the gravity of his statements. Perhaps he was just making the same observation that everyone else already has—that his effort, energy and willingness to do whatever it takes to win is and always has been entirely within his control. The sad thing is that most of his teammates already “do this”—also known as trying—every single night.

This isn’t about MDA-people v. Carmelo-people, either. This is about calling a player out for his admission that he hasn’t played with maximum effort in the past. We can live with failure ‘round here, but we cannot accept anything less than a player’s all. Save that stuff for when you play in some NBA outpost like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Ultimately, wins have a funny way of curing all, especially here in Gotham, but by opening Pandora’s Box, Carmelo just made his effort and/or energy fair game from now on. Going forward, I hope never to have to ask him about his effort, but deep down, I probably know better.

http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/2012/03/20/melo-keepin-it-real-real-transparent/

If that 2-8 run was the only or one of only a few losing streaks in D'Antoni's career in NY you might have a point. However, his entire tenure in NY was characterized by long losing streaks. The guy coached the Knicks for 288 games. I don't think you can comparmentalize and say that the Knicks were going to continue on an 8-1 type pace when there were 279 other games coached in NY and the majority of them would indicate that 2-8 was much closer to D'Antoni's results than 8-1. I am paraphrasing but I remember Melo saying that he liked that Woodson held him accountable and when asked if D'Antoni did he said, 'that wasn't him."

WTF? Did you not just admit that MDA's 1st year wasn't exactly something you held against him? You don't like how he handled year 2, fine, but then in year 3 the team did have a winning record despite all the change to the roster. Funny how finally MDA had a decent PG in Felton and all of a sudden the team was playing much better. This year was saw further proof that having a capable PG was always a huge factor in the W/L record. For the brief time that he had good PG's the team played well.

As for the idea that Woody held Melo accountable, what the heck does that really mean? STAT had his best career years playing for MDA and Tyson was playing GREAT as well under MDA. It's not like they needed to be yelled at to be good. Lin didn't seem to have a problem playing for MDA and when the team was winning every other role player was doing well under MDA. The only guy who stunk ALL the time he played for MDA was Melo and he admitted that he wasn't giving his all. MDA is not some bum and he has a better playoff record than Woody.

As i've said many times. The team immediately played better the very day that MDA resigned and before Woody even had a single practice. Woody couldn't even install anything new for weeks and yet the team was blowing teams out in every game. So what miracle did Woody perform as coach when he couldn't even make any real substantive changes? NO it wasn't him as much as it was that Melo, THE BEST PLAYER ON THE F'N TEAM finally gave a damn and it pushed the entire team to play better. Isn't that a more accurate explanation of what happened in the 1st couple of weeks when the Knicks sudden went nuts blowing teams out? If the only thing players could point to was "being held accountable" in those early wins then you really have nothing to stand on. He didn't change the offense. Didn't change the defense and all of a sudden the team was blowing teams out from day one with no real practice time!!! COME ON!!!

I was against the initial hire of Mike and never thought it would work out. In fact I was very outspoken about it and unlike investing in a star player it is much easier to change a coach. I didn't like how he handled things in year one but I don't think you could find anyone in basketball that could have handled year 2 worse than he did. So if saying someone wasn't as much of a disaster in their first year I agree with you. He should not have been brought back for year 3 in my opinion.

In regards to year 3, the Knicks were 2 games over .500 when they did the Melo trade. That is better but if you consider how much Stat wore down in the second half it is hard to be sure that they would continue their 2 games over .500 pace.

I think D'Antoni had lost the team when he resigned. I think whatever his message was it wasn't getting across. There has been a lot written about how teams respond initially to a coaching change and the Knicks certainly did this. However, the Knicks didn't just win a couple of games. They had the best record in the nba except for the Spurs during Woodson's tenure. Woodson and his team got to 18 wins in 18 fewer games then D'Antoni did when he was coaching the same team. The team didn't lose back to back games for the final 24 games. D'Antoni was not effective with this group. I have no issue with the argument that he needed a point guard at the start of the season but I do think Knicks management was giving him the year to see what he could do with their three 'stars'. It didn't work out for him and his record in NY had an awful lot of losses and drama pre-Melo.

I think you are going overboard with the 18-6 record. yes it was great but this team still dogged a few games like the cavs game and taht horribke pacer loss when we were up like 15. Those two wins would have probabky gotten us deeper in the playoffs. I like woodson but i think you are going overboard on da;ntoni he wasnt a bad coach he just had a guy in melo who didnt want to listen. Our biggest problem is if melo/amare are actually gonna try teh whole year and actually have a success in the playoffs for a change

I think 18-6 and making the playoffs is a great stat to point out when the other choice was 18-24 and giving Houston a lottery pick. I also think 18-6 without back to back losses when the previous guy was 10-23 minus the Linsanity run holds weight pretty well.

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't believe the Knicks ever went on an 18-6 run during D'Antoni's entire tenure here. It also was great to not have any of those long losing streaks that characterized his time in NY. Also, while I found fault with his first year, my main complaint has always been how he handled things his second year. Honestly, he has never won without Nash as his point. He was two games over .500 when Felton was traded. The 8 game Linsanity run in an almost 4 year tenure where he coached almost 300 games just postponed the inevitable in regards to his future with the team.

The team was winning before Melo came back. As soon as he came things fell apart. Now you can try and confuse the issues but that is a fact. The team went 2-8 after Melo came back and the very day that MDA resigned all of a sudden magically Melo started playing harder and trying to fit into a team concept. It was clear that his attitude was effecting the entire team.

One way that we know that a lot of it was Melo is that the team was able to quickly pickup its play the very day that he picked up his effort against the Trailblazers. What it showed was that if he gave max effort and led the way, the team would respond positively. Think about it. NOTHING changed in the 1st few weeks after MDA left. The offense was the same! The defense was the same, in fact Woody and MDA's D is the exact same scheme anyway. Even Melo was pretty much still stinking on offense and yet the team started winning immediately as soon as Melo started playing hard!!! He was clearly doggin it before that and that put a drag on the entire team. As soon as he picked up his energy and effort it impacted the entire team. So it wasn't some brilliant coaching move or change in system, cuz everything was the same.

Now if you want to present some hard evidence that there were major changes from day one after MDA left other than Melo leading the way in playing harder, then show it. You know that there isn't any!!!

It’s never a dull day when you cover the New York Knicks, but after practice yesterday, when Carmelo Anthony did his best to take the focus off of his team’s nascent winning ways, we officially reached a new level of incredulity.

Per Newsday’s Kimberly A. Martin, Anthony said “I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season, especially on the defensive end.”

Wow.

Did ‘Melo really utter those words aloud? In public? In front of the media?

Where has his energy been all season? Was it sapped by his point forward duties? Was it eclipsed by his nagging injuries? No, I think we must assume that Carmelo believes that the deposed Mike D’Antoni robbed Anthony of his energy. In fairness, the only difference over the last three games is the coach, right?

To quote Mitt Romney, I find this to be a extraordinary! Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a player who gets paid over $18 million dollars a year to play basketball, right? Heck, isn’t this the guy who had zero problem exerting all of his “energy” in manipulating his way out of Denver? Is this not the “superstar” who has repeatedly proclaimed himself to be the “leader” of the Knicks?

But it doesn’t stop there.

“When he got the job, I told him, ‘Hold me accountable,’ ” Anthony said of new interim coach Mike Woodson. “I don’t have a problem with criticism. If I can do something to help better this team, let me know. And he’s been doing that.”

Again, call me crazy, but it sure seems like Anthony believes that Woodson has done a better job than D’Antoni at holding him accountable (he certainly hasn’t helped the small forward recapture his shooting form). I’m sorry, but if you’re holding yourself out there as one of the best players in the world, how, exactly, is it that you need someone to hold you accountable? Shouldn’t you be holding yourself accountable?

Is this where we are when it comes to “professional” athletes? They get all the praise and accolades when they successfully “do this,” but when they stumble, it’s someone else’s fault?

How about we try a new approach, Carmelo? It’s called honesty. Keep in mind, honesty is different than transparency. When you make statements about your effort—or in this case, a shocking lack thereof—we see through your words. We see that your agenda lies somewhere between shots across MDA’s bow and laying the groundwork to excuse your future failures.

Instead, why not just come out and say “I just couldn’t play for that other guy. It was either him or me, and in the end, it was him. It’s nothing personal, we just needed a change to reach our potential here, and I respect him for stepping aside. He’s a good man, a good coach, and I respect him greatly. Sometimes things don’t work out, and in this case, I take full responsibility for that, not because I want to be portrayed as a villain, but because I am being honest. I definitely learned a lot through this experience, and I am going to use this to become a better, more complete player, and more importantly, a better leader and a better example to my teammates.”

The irony about ‘Melo holding court on issues like accountability is that he seems completely unable to apply the concept to himself, himself. Making such statements, just as the Knicks may be emerging from their recent funk, only serves to further the narrative—one that I’m increasingly becoming tied to, by the way—and to encourage even more questions and criticisms.

Maybe Anthony doesn’t understand the gravity of his statements. Perhaps he was just making the same observation that everyone else already has—that his effort, energy and willingness to do whatever it takes to win is and always has been entirely within his control. The sad thing is that most of his teammates already “do this”—also known as trying—every single night.

This isn’t about MDA-people v. Carmelo-people, either. This is about calling a player out for his admission that he hasn’t played with maximum effort in the past. We can live with failure ‘round here, but we cannot accept anything less than a player’s all. Save that stuff for when you play in some NBA outpost like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Ultimately, wins have a funny way of curing all, especially here in Gotham, but by opening Pandora’s Box, Carmelo just made his effort and/or energy fair game from now on. Going forward, I hope never to have to ask him about his effort, but deep down, I probably know better.

http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/2012/03/20/melo-keepin-it-real-real-transparent/

If that 2-8 run was the only or one of only a few losing streaks in D'Antoni's career in NY you might have a point. However, his entire tenure in NY was characterized by long losing streaks. The guy coached the Knicks for 288 games. I don't think you can comparmentalize and say that the Knicks were going to continue on an 8-1 type pace when there were 279 other games coached in NY and the majority of them would indicate that 2-8 was much closer to D'Antoni's results than 8-1. I am paraphrasing but I remember Melo saying that he liked that Woodson held him accountable and when asked if D'Antoni did he said, 'that wasn't him."

WTF? Did you not just admit that MDA's 1st year wasn't exactly something you held against him? You don't like how he handled year 2, fine, but then in year 3 the team did have a winning record despite all the change to the roster. Funny how finally MDA had a decent PG in Felton and all of a sudden the team was playing much better. This year was saw further proof that having a capable PG was always a huge factor in the W/L record. For the brief time that he had good PG's the team played well.

As for the idea that Woody held Melo accountable, what the heck does that really mean? STAT had his best career years playing for MDA and Tyson was playing GREAT as well under MDA. It's not like they needed to be yelled at to be good. Lin didn't seem to have a problem playing for MDA and when the team was winning every other role player was doing well under MDA. The only guy who stunk ALL the time he played for MDA was Melo and he admitted that he wasn't giving his all. MDA is not some bum and he has a better playoff record than Woody.

As i've said many times. The team immediately played better the very day that MDA resigned and before Woody even had a single practice. Woody couldn't even install anything new for weeks and yet the team was blowing teams out in every game. So what miracle did Woody perform as coach when he couldn't even make any real substantive changes? NO it wasn't him as much as it was that Melo, THE BEST PLAYER ON THE F'N TEAM finally gave a damn and it pushed the entire team to play better. Isn't that a more accurate explanation of what happened in the 1st couple of weeks when the Knicks sudden went nuts blowing teams out? If the only thing players could point to was "being held accountable" in those early wins then you really have nothing to stand on. He didn't change the offense. Didn't change the defense and all of a sudden the team was blowing teams out from day one with no real practice time!!! COME ON!!!

I was against the initial hire of Mike and never thought it would work out. In fact I was very outspoken about it and unlike investing in a star player it is much easier to change a coach. I didn't like how he handled things in year one but I don't think you could find anyone in basketball that could have handled year 2 worse than he did. So if saying someone wasn't as much of a disaster in their first year I agree with you. He should not have been brought back for year 3 in my opinion.

In regards to year 3, the Knicks were 2 games over .500 when they did the Melo trade. That is better but if you consider how much Stat wore down in the second half it is hard to be sure that they would continue their 2 games over .500 pace.

I think D'Antoni had lost the team when he resigned. I think whatever his message was it wasn't getting across. There has been a lot written about how teams respond initially to a coaching change and the Knicks certainly did this. However, the Knicks didn't just win a couple of games. They had the best record in the nba except for the Spurs during Woodson's tenure. Woodson and his team got to 18 wins in 18 fewer games then D'Antoni did when he was coaching the same team. The team didn't lose back to back games for the final 24 games. D'Antoni was not effective with this group. I have no issue with the argument that he needed a point guard at the start of the season but I do think Knicks management was giving him the year to see what he could do with their three 'stars'. It didn't work out for him and his record in NY had an awful lot of losses and drama pre-Melo.

I think you are going overboard with the 18-6 record. yes it was great but this team still dogged a few games like the cavs game and taht horribke pacer loss when we were up like 15. Those two wins would have probabky gotten us deeper in the playoffs. I like woodson but i think you are going overboard on da;ntoni he wasnt a bad coach he just had a guy in melo who didnt want to listen. Our biggest problem is if melo/amare are actually gonna try teh whole year and actually have a success in the playoffs for a change

I think 18-6 and making the playoffs is a great stat to point out when the other choice was 18-24 and giving Houston a lottery pick. I also think 18-6 without back to back losses when the previous guy was 10-23 minus the Linsanity run holds weight pretty well.

For the love of God i never said woodson didnt do a great job. In fact i said i wanted woodson to be the coach even when MDA was here. I dont hate MDA like you do but i felt woodson was a better defensive coach. However this team was expected to go deep in the playoffs and im sorry after 11 yyears of crap i am not happy with 1 playoff win and you shouldnt be either

Do you think the Knicks would have made the playoffs if D'Antoni was the coach? Do you think Lin, Shumpert, Davis, Jeffries, Tyson and Amare's situations in the playoffs might have impacted the deep run the team was supposed to make?

Bonn1997 wrote:That's a polite way of saying the organization is dysfunctional

Of course he would say that if he knew he wasn't getting the job. The guy is simply saving face. He is upset because realizes that big paid isn't coming no time soon. I would prefer an old school coach like Jerry Sloan coaching this team.