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Better NBA basketball player: Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade?
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JohnStarksFan
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Be impartial.
I can't believe I'm reading that anyone thinks Melo is better.
I'm looking at this as purely a basketball enthusiast, NOT a Knicks fan.
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
They are equal
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Bonn1997
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6/13/2012  8:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2012  8:06 AM
CashMoney wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

Brother that's 5% difference. Wade gets 100 looks, 48 go in. Anthony gets 100 looks, 43 go in.
Wade's career ppg: 25.2
Melo's career ppg: 24.7

Playoffs:
Wade: 25.9 ppg
Anthony: 24.9 ppg

100% better scorer?


In all seriousness Melo and Wade are very similar players if you look at their careet numbers per 36 minutes

Melo>Wade - points per game, 3PT%, FT%, Rebounds per game

Wade>Melo - FG%, blocks per game, turnovers, assists per game, steals.

Melo is 27, Wade is 30 and their careers are still going.

Career wise I give a slight edge to Wade but if I had to choose today, I take Melo and it's not me being a homer.


The difference in their 2 point percentages (51 vs. 45 last year) is large enough to override any other differences in scoring efficiency because the vast majority of players' scoring comes from 2 point shots. Whether you look at TS% or point per shot, Wade has the edge. It doesn't matter if one or two of the constituents (like FT%) is better for one player if the overall product is worse (scoring efficiency). It's like better sprinkles on worse ice cream.

Career wise, head to head, per 36 minutes, they both average 24 PPG. Wade does indeed have a higher TS% but Melo hits better from the line even though they get to the line at almost an identical clip.

The "but" is not a "but." It doesn't contradict the first part of the sentence since TS% already incorporates free-throw shooting (as does points per shot).
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6/13/2012  8:11 AM
I will say, Melo did have a very off year. He struggled with that hand/wrist injury and couldn't hit a single jumper for a good number of games. It was probably the worst year of his career. Plus MDA tried to make him a point forward. It didnt help that Amare and him both had their worst years in the same season. Blame it on their work ethic or the lockout/shortened season or whatever. The Melo in previous seasons is at least in the same league as Wade. The Melo we saw for the majority of this season was nowhere near Wade's level. Either way, I'm taking Wade every time.
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6/13/2012  11:05 AM
Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.
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6/13/2012  11:10 AM
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27
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6/13/2012  11:32 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27

It might cause a debate as of now, but i stated "career wise." There is really no comparison.

Here are the top SG of all time:

Micheal Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
AI
DWade
Iceman

You can juggle after Jordan.
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6/13/2012  11:36 AM
So then whats the sense in comparing the two when you are talking about past achievements which again were hugely aided by the presence of shaq. The other individual achievements of wade in his prime came on lottery teams
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6/13/2012  11:53 AM
gunsnewing wrote:So then whats the sense in comparing the two when you are talking about past achievements which again were hugely aided by the presence of shaq. The other individual achievements of wade in his prime came on lottery teams

Maybe you should ask the OP again. Some replies referred to career wise and I replied accordingly. Stop being so hostile. "Career wise" is exactly what it meant! If you feel, career wise, Melo is on the same level as Wade, you are entitled to it! Stop making other arguments just to make yourself look ignorant to the facts.
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6/13/2012  12:01 PM
The topic is not referring to their overall careers. I take it as who would you rather have on your team now. So I am sticking melo and dont feel like recreating the same poll just to see the numbers sway in melos favor when it is pretty obvious to me that melo is a better option right niw than wade on the knicks
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6/13/2012  12:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:So then whats the sense in comparing the two when you are talking about past achievements which again were hugely aided by the presence of shaq. The other individual achievements of wade in his prime came on lottery teams

because the only facts we have are past and present. The rest is just imagination.
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6/13/2012  7:25 PM
Kobe vs Melo is a much better/closer comparison when it comes to stats.
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6/13/2012  7:38 PM
muhaha wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27

It might cause a debate as of now, but i stated "career wise." There is really no comparison.

Here are the top SG of all time:

Micheal Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
AI
DWade
Iceman

You can juggle after Jordan.

What about Clyde Drexler?

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6/13/2012  10:32 PM
CashMoney wrote:
muhaha wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27

It might cause a debate as of now, but i stated "career wise." There is really no comparison.

Here are the top SG of all time:

Micheal Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
AI
DWade
Iceman

You can juggle after Jordan.

What about Clyde Drexler?

Oscar Robertson?
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6/13/2012  10:35 PM
CashMoney wrote:
muhaha wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27

It might cause a debate as of now, but i stated "career wise." There is really no comparison.

Here are the top SG of all time:

Micheal Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West
AI
DWade
Iceman

You can juggle after Jordan.

What about Clyde Drexler?

Joe Dumars
Mitch Richmond
Andrew Toney
Earl Monroe
Reggie Miller

Wade is good but he is a force fed superstar.
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6/13/2012  11:38 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:I just want to say, if anyone who knows Carmelo reads this, by some crazy chance, I am sorry for bashing him, but it's to prove Wade has been better. I do think Melo has all the tools in the toolbox. He just takes out the same wrench for every job, and it doesn't always work. Meanwhile Wade uses every tool he's got, and added to his arsenal along the way. Let that be some inspiration.
no question wade has been better. I still take melo right now

Any guesses as to which over-the-hill player averaged 21 PPG on 51% shooting in a lop-sided five game series victory over Melo's Knicks? That was almost 10% higher than Melo shot in the series. It wasn't a much younger version of this player - it was just a few weeks ago. The Heat have a great foundation but they need a deeper team so they don't have to play Wade 40 mpg in the playoffs. If they want more rings, Ray Allen and KG should join Miami.
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6/13/2012  11:44 PM
Wade. It really isn't even close right now. creates his own just as well or better than Melo. Awesome perimeter defender. Better ball distributor. Melo scores and rebounds. Granted it's easier to get good shots on the Heat but no contest.
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6/13/2012  11:51 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:Wade. It really isn't even close right now. creates his own just as well or better than Melo. Awesome perimeter defender. Better ball distributor. Melo scores and rebounds. Granted it's easier to get good shots on the Heat but no contest.

I've already addressed Melo's scoring inefficiency but his rebounding as a Knick has been unimpressive. It dropped off a bit last year relative to his Denver days. Then this year, if I remember correctly, he averaged about 5.5 rebs a game as an SF (a little above average but nothing great) and 7.0 as a PF (a little below average).
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6/13/2012  11:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2012  11:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:I just want to say, if anyone who knows Carmelo reads this, by some crazy chance, I am sorry for bashing him, but it's to prove Wade has been better. I do think Melo has all the tools in the toolbox. He just takes out the same wrench for every job, and it doesn't always work. Meanwhile Wade uses every tool he's got, and added to his arsenal along the way. Let that be some inspiration.
no question wade has been better. I still take melo right now

Any guesses as to which over-the-hill player averaged 21 PPG on 51% shooting in a lop-sided five game series victory over Melo's Knicks? That was almost 10% higher than Melo shot in the series. It wasn't a much younger version of this player - it was just a few weeks ago. The Heat have a great foundation but they need a deeper team so they don't have to play Wade 40 mpg in the playoffs. If they want more rings, Ray Allen and KG should join Miami.

Garnett AND Allen? You forgot Nash and let's throw in Kidd while we are at it.
As per the comparison, Melo is more clutch in the end game while Wade is slightly more dangerous with the ball throughout the game. Which one is better right now? It all depends on which role is needed more on the team. Wade makes a great sidekick while Melo can take over the end of the game simular to LeBron, Durant and how Pierce used to do it when he was a bit younger.

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6/13/2012  11:59 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:I just want to say, if anyone who knows Carmelo reads this, by some crazy chance, I am sorry for bashing him, but it's to prove Wade has been better. I do think Melo has all the tools in the toolbox. He just takes out the same wrench for every job, and it doesn't always work. Meanwhile Wade uses every tool he's got, and added to his arsenal along the way. Let that be some inspiration.
no question wade has been better. I still take melo right now

Any guesses as to which over-the-hill player averaged 21 PPG on 51% shooting in a lop-sided five game series victory over Melo's Knicks? That was almost 10% higher than Melo shot in the series. It wasn't a much younger version of this player - it was just a few weeks ago. The Heat have a great foundation but they need a deeper team so they don't have to play Wade 40 mpg in the playoffs. If they want more rings, Ray Allen and KG should join Miami.

Garnett AND Allen? You forgot Nash and let's throw in Kidd while we are at it.


Miami has the MLE and a team that would be worth joining. I don't see why it would be unreasonable to think a vet might sign for around $3 mil a year. KG would be taking a pay cut but no team's going to give Ray the full MLE. Maybe KG signs for the full MLE and Kidd for the vet min. The point is that Miami is in great shape still.
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6/14/2012  12:31 AM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.


Melo's fg career is closer to 46 percent btw and he can show up every night unlike Wade who has been up and down all season, it's amazing the Wade is considered a winner because he won in 2006 and was gifted by the league with all the bogus calls all of a sudden he was Michael Jordan and you couldn't even breathe on him. Wade is no leader and has a poor attitude watch how he wines on the court and in the post game press conferences . I wonder how much of a winner and leader he would be without Lebron at this point in his career. I will never forget this Wade quote in 2010 after winning one game vs Boston "A great player can win one game by himself" . Yea that's a guy I want on my team. I'll take Melo over Wade any day he will stay at a high level because he does not rely on athleticism and Wade seems to be breaking down and now reminds me of Garnett as he got older with his bad attitude because he's not the same player on a night to night basis as he once was.
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6/14/2012  8:42 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
muhaha wrote:Career wise, there is no comparison.

One is easily the top 5 SG of all time. Another wont even make the top 20 of all time in SF.

One is a two way player who was named 3 times all defense second team. Another is an average defender who was never named throughout his caree. Defensive ability is what separates a GOAT from just a good scorer.

If this thread is made at a non-Knicks fan forum, the result will be one sided.


Not so sure about that. Wade is getting killed outside of this forum. Its pretty obvious he is declining at 30 while Melo is still only 27

DUDE, he's 28!
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