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5/25/2012  8:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/25/2012  8:39 AM
I don't want anything that has to do with the Kardashians. No way I am cheering for him.
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5/25/2012  8:46 AM
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AnubisADL wrote:For the minimum you take Odom. For the MLE you pass.

Better off giving the MLE to a guy like Antwan Jamison.

Another lost couple million. YOUTH! We need YOUTH! As Melo, Stat, Chandler go through the next year they need to be the vet leaders. If this is the 3 we go with, let them be the vets, like Pierce, Allen, Garnett, or Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. Surround them with young talent, then when the mix is right, throw in the veteran garnish, like Spurs did with Jackson and Diaw.

Who cares about youth? We need to talent more than anything. And it's not like Odom is geriatric or something, he's only 32.

Can you think past next season?

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5/25/2012  8:57 AM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
VCoug wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:For the minimum you take Odom. For the MLE you pass.

Better off giving the MLE to a guy like Antwan Jamison.

Another lost couple million. YOUTH! We need YOUTH! As Melo, Stat, Chandler go through the next year they need to be the vet leaders. If this is the 3 we go with, let them be the vets, like Pierce, Allen, Garnett, or Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. Surround them with young talent, then when the mix is right, throw in the veteran garnish, like Spurs did with Jackson and Diaw.

Who cares about youth? We need to talent more than anything. And it's not like Odom is geriatric or something, he's only 32.

Can you think past next season?

Yeah, I can. Odom is only 32, he has several years left of effective play.

Ian Mahinmi - 25 - 0.9 Mil
Lavoy Allen - 23 - 0.5 Mil
Earl Clark - 24 - 1.2 Mil (Player Option)
David Ebanks - 22 - 0.8 Mil
Danny Green - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Alonzo Gee - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Jodie Meeks - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Patty Mills - 23 - 0.3 Mil
**Ryan Hollins - 27 - 0.3 Mil

Who gives a **** about any of these players other than Gee, Green, and Meeks. These guys are barely rotational players and you want to potentially sacrifice Odom for them? And why did you even bring up the Celtics? That team that won the championship had only three players, Rondo, Powe, Perkins, in the rotation who were under 30.

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5/25/2012  10:14 AM
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Who gives a **** about any of these players other than Gee, Green, and Meeks.

Me. And I imagine a lot of NBA GM's. Lavoy Allen has been very impressive in Collins's rotation, and has played great D in the second round.
Ryan Hollins has stepped up big on both ends of the floor for Boston
Ebanks is a stretch, but he has had some good games and was considered to start for LA. Must be something there.

VCoug wrote:These guys are barely rotational players and you want to potentially sacrifice Odom for them?

Sacrafice? You're talking like Odom is something more than he is. He GAVE UP on his team last year. And he was on a team with great veterans and a good coach. He played like **** and made a fool of himself. I don't care if he would be our best rebounder, it's silly to subject him to scrutiny and bring in a player that other teams and fans are gonna clown. He needs to find a smaller market where he can rebuild his rep. No one rebuilds their rep in NY. No one.

And yes, I would choose any of those players over him, simple because they have more UPSIDE and they won't command 12000 interview requests a game, so they can focus on basketball.

VCoug wrote: And why did you even bring up the Celtics? That team that won the championship had only three players, Rondo, Powe, Perkins, in the rotation who were under 30.

And Tony Allen.
I brought them up as an example from now. They have a chance at the ECF and they are doing it by keeping their core in tact from that championship year and building around it. Still there: Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo. And the Knicks should do the same with Anthony, STAT, Chandler, Lin. Of course those guys are not as versatile, which is why we need other and better younger role players to contribute, let our money guys lead, and make us a better overall club.

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5/25/2012  12:30 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Odom's #1 asset be would bring to the knicks other than defense and rebounding and ability to score from anywhere on the court is his passing. Amare starts and goes to the bench early which keeps him healthy and fresh at the end of the year and odom and melo compliment each other perfectly.

Go after Kidd too, draft the PG from Cuse and let JR walk. Sign Belinelli or Courtney Lee

Passing Passing Passing.

Our offense looks stagnant at times because our team is full of pretty terrible passers. Melo is ok at times but other than him and Lin can you name a single Knick who is an above average passer at his position?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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5/25/2012  12:38 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:For the minimum you take Odom. For the MLE you pass.

Better off giving the MLE to a guy like Antwan Jamison.

Another lost couple million. YOUTH! We need YOUTH! As Melo, Stat, Chandler go through the next year they need to be the vet leaders. If this is the 3 we go with, let them be the vets, like Pierce, Allen, Garnett, or Duncan, Parker, Ginobli. Surround them with young talent, then when the mix is right, throw in the veteran garnish, like Spurs did with Jackson and Diaw.

Most young talent is restricted.

The MLE isnt going to get the Mayo's this off season.

Might and I mean might get Nick Young but I doubt it.

You would think so but that's just not true.
Unrestricted FA examples 25 or younger with 11-12 salary:
Ian Mahinmi - 25 - 0.9 Mil
Lavoy Allen - 23 - 0.5 Mil
Earl Clark - 24 - 1.2 Mil (Player Option)
David Ebanks - 22 - 0.8 Mil
Danny Green - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Alonzo Gee - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Jodie Meeks - 24 - 0.9 Mil
Patty Mills - 23 - 0.3 Mil

**Ryan Hollins - 27 - 0.3 Mil <--- Adding because I want this guy in a Knicks uniform

Dude..I like Ryan Hollins energy and all that but he couldn't carry Odom's jockstrap. If Odom is willing to take a paycut then Grunfeld takes him in a heartbeat.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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5/25/2012  12:48 PM
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Dude..I like Ryan Hollins energy and all that but he couldn't carry Odom's jockstrap.

HAHA... you got it with that one.
But:
1. Hollins is a great backup for Chandler. Very similar styles and energy. Allows for better structure of offensive and defensive sets.
2. He's eager, hungry. Odom already ate, then puked on the buffet.
3. Hollins doesn't bring all that BAGGAGE.
4. No one will look to Hollins (or someone like him) to be the savior, whereas that's what they will say about Odom.
5. Hollins can learn from Melo, STAT, Chandler and mold his game. Odom will play his same style and we will all hope it fits.

I agree about the passing. 100%. We definitely need that. But Odom won't solve that problem, this team playing together, practicing together, and bringing in another few guys will solve that. Also, Lin (hopefully a Knick) fixing the TO issue.

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5/25/2012  1:13 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
BoBo10 wrote:Didn't he win a few titles in LA?

He was fortunate enough to be in that situation and reap the benefits. Yup.

He won 6th man of the year.

The guy has talent just didn't have his head scewed on right after his cousin was murdered, he watched a kid die and got bounced from L.A.

For the right price I would take a gamble on him, especially if it's a situation where he wants to be here. The only thing that worries me is would he be able to handle the media scrutiny of NYC?

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5/25/2012  1:18 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Dude..I like Ryan Hollins energy and all that but he couldn't carry Odom's jockstrap.

HAHA... you got it with that one.
But:
1. Hollins is a great backup for Chandler. Very similar styles and energy. Allows for better structure of offensive and defensive sets.
2. He's eager, hungry. Odom already ate, then puked on the buffet.
3. Hollins doesn't bring all that BAGGAGE.
4. No one will look to Hollins (or someone like him) to be the savior, whereas that's what they will say about Odom.
5. Hollins can learn from Melo, STAT, Chandler and mold his game. Odom will play his same style and we will all hope it fits.

I agree about the passing. 100%. We definitely need that. But Odom won't solve that problem, this team playing together, practicing together, and bringing in another few guys will solve that. Also, Lin (hopefully a Knick) fixing the TO issue.

I would rather have a Back up C with a Offensive game. Give Jordan a chance. I think summer league will be huge for him.

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5/25/2012  1:19 PM
There is a lot of pressure to win in LA. More than Ny. The pressure in LA is on par with the pressure the yankees feel to win it all every year
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5/25/2012  1:24 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
BoBo10 wrote:Didn't he win a few titles in LA?

He was fortunate enough to be in that situation and reap the benefits. Yup.

He won 6th man of the year.

The guy has talent just didn't have his head scewed on right after his cousin was murdered, he watched a kid die and got bounced from L.A.

For the right price I would take a gamble on him, especially if it's a situation where he wants to be here. The only thing that worries me is would he be able to handle the media scrutiny of NYC?

Ok, maybe when you put it into a broader perspective I'm being too hard on him. The man's got talent. But he also has BAGGAGE, and if JR picks up his option, the cargo hold won't be able to handle it all.

Guns is right, LA might be even more pressure than NY, and there certainly was a lot of pressure in Dallas after winning a ring. All the more reason this guy needs to play it small, hook up with Milwaukee or Utah or Toronto, and just play basketball. But that probably won't happen. Maybe he'll replace Bosh in South Beach.

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5/25/2012  1:41 PM
He would probably be a better fit under MDA giving his abilty to play mutltiple positions, but @ 2 mill a deal similar to what JR got..Low risk IMO
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5/25/2012  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/25/2012  1:51 PM
Unless I'm understanding it wrong, it's either Lin or Odom. We can't have both because they each would require too much salary.
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5/25/2012  2:26 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Unless I'm understanding it wrong, it's either Lin or Odom. We can't have both because they each would require too much salary.

I guess that would be predicated on what salary Odom would demand? Knicks could certainly offer vet min, and I don't think many team would offer more. Similarly, there are only a few teams Odom would want to play on.

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5/25/2012  2:42 PM
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Unless I'm understanding it wrong, it's either Lin or Odom. We can't have both because they each would require too much salary.

I guess that would be predicated on what salary Odom would demand? Knicks could certainly offer vet min, and I don't think many team would offer more. Similarly, there are only a few teams Odom would want to play on.

And the early bird rights ruling.

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5/25/2012  3:23 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Unless I'm understanding it wrong, it's either Lin or Odom. We can't have both because they each would require too much salary.

I guess that would be predicated on what salary Odom would demand? Knicks could certainly offer vet min, and I don't think many team would offer more. Similarly, there are only a few teams Odom would want to play on.

And the early bird rights ruling.

absolutely.

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5/25/2012  7:08 PM
As long as Odom doesn't make any ridiculous contract demands he could be insurance in case a starter goes down which could happen considering this squad. I think Odom knows if he acts the same way in NY as he did in Dallas that the NY press will have him for dinner. Doubt he or his girl wants that.
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5/26/2012  2:11 PM
I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!
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5/26/2012  4:32 PM
STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

Really! It reminds me of all the gushing over Jackie Butler back in the day.

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5/26/2012  4:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/26/2012  4:46 PM
STATMELO wrote:I want Lamar Odom. Odom had a really tough year, this season with the whole car accident failed CP3 trade thing. He didn't want to be a Maverick and wasn't motivated. Odom will work out all Summer, and will come back in great shape. Khloe and Lamar is over I think it was canceled, Odom wants to focus on basketball. Just two years ago he was Sixth Man of the Year and put up 14,9 and 3 off the bench. The talent is still there. Odom has 2 rings, so he brings the championship pedigree. We get Odom, we don't have to go out and spend money on a backup PG, because of his ability as a Point Forward. He reminds me of Anthony Mason. I can't believe you guys rather give LaVoy Allen or Ryan Hollins, 3 million as opposed to Odom. LMAO Ryan Hollins sucks!

You make some good points. The only thing I would disagree with is the need for another PG. We need one badly either as a starter or backup, regardless of whether or not Lin comes back. I know Odom can move the ball around well, but him running the point shouldn't be a substitute for a PG. We also need better defenders at the point as well. Shump can't do it all.

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