Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Nalod wrote:
Its a players league. Usually the coach goes.Payton was a better player than Allen at that stage.
Wrong. Allen was 27 entering his prime, Payton was 35 on the decline. Allen upped his scoring average in Seattle after this trade for 4 consecutive seasons from 22 pts/gm to 26 pts/gm before he got traded to Boston. Payton's season scoring average post trade went from 20 pts/gm with Milwaukee to 14 pts/gm with the Lakers to 11 pts/gm with Boston to 7 pts/gm with Miami.
You look at the teams records after the trade?
Not that it matters right?
Why they make that trade? Did they dump Allens salary? Cuz Payton was gone soon enough.
Thoese are the decisons teams make. Milwaukee went with Mike Redd and needed Rays contract off the books.
Not saying it was a good idea. BUt you gotta know what makes GM's do the things they do.
Karl was gone the next season anyway.
Exactly. He was fired the following season after the Payton trade, because they didn't make the playoffs even with 1 season left on his contract, and became a studio analyst. Not such a rosy picture for him...
Conflict in Milwaukee Team president Wally Walker accused him of not being trustworthy and leaking information to the media. Walker traded Shawn Kemp without Karl's knowledge. His owner criticized him for not winning titles. He departed after the 1997-98 season for Milwaukee.
He lasted five years, won 205 games, 14 in the playoffs and feuded with such players as Allen, Robinson and Mason. The public bickering led in his part to his firing with one year and $7 million left on his contract.
"You have people coming out making statements," said Detroit forward Darvin Ham, who played for Karl in Milwaukee. "You should never go to the media with things. You should be a man if you've got a problem with someone, with a coach. You should be able to air (things) out.
"In Milwaukee, guys started going to the papers, voicing their displeasure. (Karl), in turn, did the same thing. You're asking for catastrophe whenever you do that. But I think he's learned."
In a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel poll after his firing, more than 80 percent of the fans backed the move.
"It was a decision I made with the direction we were going," Bucks general manager Larry Harris said. "He's one of the best X's and O's guys in the business. He's great late in games, playoff games. His credentials are only matched by a few. I knew it would only be a matter of time before he came back."
Said Karl: "I was disappointed the last year and a half how things fell apart so quickly. I made mistakes with some players, but we are in a changing game. Players change. They're getting younger. Their mentalities are different and coaches are going to have to adjust."
The most notable player Karl clashed with as an NBA coach was Allen, the Sonics' star guard. Karl also has had feuds with Kemp, Kendall Gill, Sarunas Marciulionis and Ricky Pierce.
Karl also received heavy criticism from NBA players on his USA 2002 World Championship team that didn't medal.
