Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I love how threads like this meander all over the map from MDA to Stat to Woody.

Melotradehaters and the anti-starphucque club humming along with an upper level Mushnick douchebag like Beck who has to spout negativisms so his cohorts in the scum media don't call him a homer.

Calling for sweeps and a looking longingly at how Denver has "improved" since the trade.

How you like your Melohate now? Gee, I even think he swung the ball around to Bibby and company late in the 4th quarter.

Imagine what would have happened last year if he had someone else to pass to instead of Fishlips?

Maybe he won't "evolve" or "mature" until he leads the team in assists? Then if that happens, dogpiles like Beck can write about all his defensive deficiencies...

We won a playoff game and that changes everytthing?

Who keeps bringing up Denver BTW? You!

I always wish our former players the best of luck in their future endeavors so long as it does not conflict with ours.

MeloHate is born from the false prophet syndrome starphuchers love to embrace.

I just had hoped that he'd have a smaller role on a greater team that we could contend with this year. If that was the vision MDA had and Starmelo rejected then he is a "me first" player and thats not cool in my book.

It might be in yours. His stats speak for themselves as does the records for the teams he has played on. I'd say he has had good talent around him for years but is not a type of player who enhances or "makes others better".

He wanted to play here and play for MDA but rejected the role of being lessor star on a team. To me that created a ceiling MDA could not succeed under.

MDA failed and without a contract for next year or the cred to keep Melo off his roster or trade him there was no choice for MDA to leave or get fired. Is Melo the reason MDA failed? He all but admits not playing up for him. MDA for a host of reasons in the previous 2.5 years did not have success in NY and if your "star" player is not on board then its reasonable to make a change. Woodson has had results so even in the short sample it was a good move to make.

Melo is not evil, nor is there any racial bias in disliking him. There is little "Mushnick" type stereotype in not bowing to this false prophet.

If StarMelo Ball is to your liking then please don't let anyone sway you to believe otherwise.

+100000000000000000

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I love how threads like this meander all over the map from MDA to Stat to Woody.

Melotradehaters and the anti-starphucque club humming along with an upper level Mushnick douchebag like Beck who has to spout negativisms so his cohorts in the scum media don't call him a homer.

Calling for sweeps and a looking longingly at how Denver has "improved" since the trade.

How you like your Melohate now? Gee, I even think he swung the ball around to Bibby and company late in the 4th quarter.

Imagine what would have happened last year if he had someone else to pass to instead of Fishlips?

Maybe he won't "evolve" or "mature" until he leads the team in assists? Then if that happens, dogpiles like Beck can write about all his defensive deficiencies...

We won a playoff game and that changes everytthing?

Nalod wrote:Who keeps bringing up Denver BTW? You!

nixluva wrote:You can't discount the record and it shows that he's got some of the worst statistics when it comes to winning in the playoffs.

Hmmmmm...Nalod, I've always admired your reading comprehension, but I think you're off your game son. I may be be viewed as alot of things, but nixluva is NOT one of them.

Nalod wrote:MeloHate is born from the false prophet syndrome starphuchers love to embrace.

Nalod wrote:
I just had hoped that he'd have a smaller role on a greater team that we could contend with this year. If that was the vision MDA had and Starmelo rejected then he is a "me first" player and thats not cool in my book.

It might be in yours. His stats speak for themselves as does the records for the teams he has played on. I'd say he has had good talent around him for years but is not a type of player who enhances or "makes others better".

Wait! Who's talking about Denver? We talkin bout Denver? YOU talkin bout Denver??

Nalod wrote:
Melo is not evil, nor is there any racial bias in disliking him. There is little "Mushnick" type stereotype in not bowing to this false prophet.

Nalod wrote:If StarMelo Ball is to your liking then please don't let anyone sway you to believe otherwise.

Knicks ball is to my liking, good bad or ugly. Thanks.
And please, be careful, don't get hurt.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:StarMelo? First it was Diva, then Melobury, and now StarMelo? I remember a poster named Seatsblue/Trueblue would always make up these childish, annoying nicknames that would become very redundant and annoying. I see the juvenile tradition continues.....

As opposed to the hardcore Melo trade supporters, who never use annoying nicknames or rhetoric!

I use KNICK names for Melo - "KOBE"!

Almost identical stats - and they are both selfish bad shot taking ***holes

would be nice if Melo had Shaq/Gasol/Bynum/PJax - can't have everything.

Not even close

Extremely close. In stats, hate, blowing up plays, selfishness, extreme talent, coach wanted them gone

Heres a nice article:

http://www.thenbageek.com/articles/mike-brown-kobe-and-lessons-from-the-movies

Criticism sound familiar?

Agree, the criticisms sound very familiar,
Their NBA career's achievements and team success is what separate them miles apart from each other. And this is not even mentioning Kobe ALL NBA DEFENSE.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:StarMelo? First it was Diva, then Melobury, and now StarMelo? I remember a poster named Seatsblue/Trueblue would always make up these childish, annoying nicknames that would become very redundant and annoying. I see the juvenile tradition continues.....

As opposed to the hardcore Melo trade supporters, who never use annoying nicknames or rhetoric!

I use KNICK names for Melo - "KOBE"!

Almost identical stats - and they are both selfish bad shot taking ***holes

would be nice if Melo had Shaq/Gasol/Bynum/PJax - can't have everything.

Not even close

Extremely close. In stats, hate, blowing up plays, selfishness, extreme talent, coach wanted them gone

Heres a nice article:

http://www.thenbageek.com/articles/mike-brown-kobe-and-lessons-from-the-movies

Criticism sound familiar?

Their stats overall are not similar but some of the criticisms that apply to Melo do justifiably apply to Kobe too.

Pts per:

Kobe - 25.3
Melo - 24.7

FG%!!!:

Melo - 45.6
Kobe - 45.3

FGA:

Melo - 19.3
Kobe - 19.6

FGM:

Kobe - 8.9
Melo - 8.8

FT attempts:

Melo - 7.8
Kobe - 7.6

Rebounds:

Melo - 6.3
Kobe - 5.2

Assists:

Kobe - 4.7
Melo - 3.1

3 pt %:

Kobe - 33.7 - but he still takes 1.3 a game!
Melo - 32.2 - only takes 0.8 per

TS%:

Kobe - 55.4
Melo - 54.4

Looks pretty similar to me!

What ever the difference is might not be a tangable skill.

Bottom line is when Kobe shakes your hand it hurts with all them rings on it!

jrodmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I love how threads like this meander all over the map from MDA to Stat to Woody.

Melotradehaters and the anti-starphucque club humming along with an upper level Mushnick douchebag like Beck who has to spout negativisms so his cohorts in the scum media don't call him a homer.

Calling for sweeps and a looking longingly at how Denver has "improved" since the trade.

How you like your Melohate now? Gee, I even think he swung the ball around to Bibby and company late in the 4th quarter.

Imagine what would have happened last year if he had someone else to pass to instead of Fishlips?

Maybe he won't "evolve" or "mature" until he leads the team in assists? Then if that happens, dogpiles like Beck can write about all his defensive deficiencies...

Your post really does seem to miss the point being made about Melo. You can't discount the record and it shows that he's got some of the worst statistics when it comes to winning in the playoffs. I don't hate Melo, but I do fault him when he does things that hurt his team. I do fault him for not having the maturity to realize that team ball is not anti-Melo. He can do both. He's got a ton of talent and still hasn't maxed out on it yet. No one is asking too much of him since he's the one that wants to be considered a superstar like Lebron. There are just a few things he needs to do to actually get closer to that level and they're about dedication to his craft. Getting in great shape. Learning how to play team ball on a higher level and in the process making his team better. He's done it in stretches here and there, but needs to be more consistent. Those are just the facts about Melo.

Melo's playoff record???? In Denver??? Playing with the most deranged collection of misfit toys ever assembled and Chauncey Billups? Or are you counting last season, where he played 1 on 5 with the Celts with a supporting cast that probably matched talent level with your last pickup game? Please.
I'm sorry, but "a superstar like Lebron"? The superstar who dumped his Cleveland team in the middle of the playoffs? Who's been written up even in this mismatched series as disappearing and not playing at a consistent superstar level? That's what Melo is supposed to be aiming for?
Only in NYC could a starphucque lead the team in scoring and have more dimes in the game than anyone else on the team and still be labeled as second rate.

You don't hate Melo. Congratulations, I applaud you. I'm sure they're are some fans in Miami who don't hate Lebron either.

All that crap you wrote still doesn't address the way Melo has played in the playoffs. It still doesn't address how he played most of the year. Melo hasn't lifted this team up into a higher playoff seed, which you'd expect to happen. Yes there have been some issues with the roster, but not enough to explain Melo's limited effect on the teams winning %. Melo has GREAT talent, but he's also got a lot to learn about how to help his team win. He's got a lot to learn about dedicating himself to being in the best shape and improving on his weaknesses. Just because you've got talent doesn't mean you just live off of it. You still have to work hard and continue to refine your skills. I think you're too impressed with Melo's scoring outbursts!!! There's more to winning than being able to take a ton of shots and put up big numbers.

nixluva wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I love how threads like this meander all over the map from MDA to Stat to Woody.

Melotradehaters and the anti-starphucque club humming along with an upper level Mushnick douchebag like Beck who has to spout negativisms so his cohorts in the scum media don't call him a homer.

Calling for sweeps and a looking longingly at how Denver has "improved" since the trade.

How you like your Melohate now? Gee, I even think he swung the ball around to Bibby and company late in the 4th quarter.

Imagine what would have happened last year if he had someone else to pass to instead of Fishlips?

Maybe he won't "evolve" or "mature" until he leads the team in assists? Then if that happens, dogpiles like Beck can write about all his defensive deficiencies...

Your post really does seem to miss the point being made about Melo. You can't discount the record and it shows that he's got some of the worst statistics when it comes to winning in the playoffs. I don't hate Melo, but I do fault him when he does things that hurt his team. I do fault him for not having the maturity to realize that team ball is not anti-Melo. He can do both. He's got a ton of talent and still hasn't maxed out on it yet. No one is asking too much of him since he's the one that wants to be considered a superstar like Lebron. There are just a few things he needs to do to actually get closer to that level and they're about dedication to his craft. Getting in great shape. Learning how to play team ball on a higher level and in the process making his team better. He's done it in stretches here and there, but needs to be more consistent. Those are just the facts about Melo.

Melo's playoff record???? In Denver??? Playing with the most deranged collection of misfit toys ever assembled and Chauncey Billups? Or are you counting last season, where he played 1 on 5 with the Celts with a supporting cast that probably matched talent level with your last pickup game? Please.
I'm sorry, but "a superstar like Lebron"? The superstar who dumped his Cleveland team in the middle of the playoffs? Who's been written up even in this mismatched series as disappearing and not playing at a consistent superstar level? That's what Melo is supposed to be aiming for?
Only in NYC could a starphucque lead the team in scoring and have more dimes in the game than anyone else on the team and still be labeled as second rate.

You don't hate Melo. Congratulations, I applaud you. I'm sure they're are some fans in Miami who don't hate Lebron either.

All that crap you wrote still doesn't address the way Melo has played in the playoffs. It still doesn't address how he played most of the year. Melo hasn't lifted this team up into a higher playoff seed, which you'd expect to happen. Yes there have been some issues with the roster, but not enough to explain Melo's limited effect on the teams winning %. Melo has GREAT talent, but he's also got a lot to learn about how to help his team win. He's got a lot to learn about dedicating himself to being in the best shape and improving on his weaknesses. Just because you've got talent doesn't mean you just live off of it. You still have to work hard and continue to refine your skills. I think you're too impressed with Melo's scoring outbursts!!! There's more to winning than being able to take a ton of shots and put up big numbers.

Yes, all that crap I wrote and you don't have one effing point to make against any of it other than Melo's got huge talent and he's not performing on average/injured teams to your standards. Plus Melo hasn't learned all you know about playing the game at the pro level, since you've been doing that for so long. There's playing on teams where you have to make JR Smith, Chris Andersen, and Nene better. Where you have to win a series against a starphucqued Celtic team + Rondo by yourself. Where you have to make someone like Fishlips better.

And it's funny, seems Kobe's managed to garner some winning by taking tons of shots and putting up big numbers. And what exactly does Nowitzki do, I forget...

Can't make it easy on the vultures to deflect from the truth

nixluva wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I love how threads like this meander all over the map from MDA to Stat to Woody.

Melotradehaters and the anti-starphucque club humming along with an upper level Mushnick douchebag like Beck who has to spout negativisms so his cohorts in the scum media don't call him a homer.

Calling for sweeps and a looking longingly at how Denver has "improved" since the trade.

How you like your Melohate now? Gee, I even think he swung the ball around to Bibby and company late in the 4th quarter.

Imagine what would have happened last year if he had someone else to pass to instead of Fishlips?

Maybe he won't "evolve" or "mature" until he leads the team in assists? Then if that happens, dogpiles like Beck can write about all his defensive deficiencies...

Your post really does seem to miss the point being made about Melo. You can't discount the record and it shows that he's got some of the worst statistics when it comes to winning in the playoffs. I don't hate Melo, but I do fault him when he does things that hurt his team. I do fault him for not having the maturity to realize that team ball is not anti-Melo. He can do both. He's got a ton of talent and still hasn't maxed out on it yet. No one is asking too much of him since he's the one that wants to be considered a superstar like Lebron. There are just a few things he needs to do to actually get closer to that level and they're about dedication to his craft. Getting in great shape. Learning how to play team ball on a higher level and in the process making his team better. He's done it in stretches here and there, but needs to be more consistent. Those are just the facts about Melo.

Melo's playoff record???? In Denver??? Playing with the most deranged collection of misfit toys ever assembled and Chauncey Billups? Or are you counting last season, where he played 1 on 5 with the Celts with a supporting cast that probably matched talent level with your last pickup game? Please.
I'm sorry, but "a superstar like Lebron"? The superstar who dumped his Cleveland team in the middle of the playoffs? Who's been written up even in this mismatched series as disappearing and not playing at a consistent superstar level? That's what Melo is supposed to be aiming for?
Only in NYC could a starphucque lead the team in scoring and have more dimes in the game than anyone else on the team and still be labeled as second rate.

You don't hate Melo. Congratulations, I applaud you. I'm sure they're are some fans in Miami who don't hate Lebron either.

All that crap you wrote still doesn't address the way Melo has played in the playoffs. It still doesn't address how he played most of the year. Melo hasn't lifted this team up into a higher playoff seed, which you'd expect to happen. Yes there have been some issues with the roster, but not enough to explain Melo's limited effect on the teams winning %. Melo has GREAT talent, but he's also got a lot to learn about how to help his team win. He's got a lot to learn about dedicating himself to being in the best shape and improving on his weaknesses. Just because you've got talent doesn't mean you just live off of it. You still have to work hard and continue to refine your skills. I think you're too impressed with Melo's scoring outbursts!!! There's more to winning than being able to take a ton of shots and put up big numbers.

Melo lifted this team into the playoffs passed Milwaukee and Philly when both were ahead of us after MDA quit. Melo had a big effect on the Nugg winning % as soon as joined that team. They missed playoffs several years in a row before they drafted him. He took them to the playoffs every year since and they won over 50 several times.

No, he didn't advance much but that was because his Nuggs were usually 7th or 8th seeds losing to the Lakers and Spurs but of course, you guys ignore that because it doesn't fit your agenda. Melo is what he is. He's a natural born scorer in the molds of Bernard King. Can he make players around him better? Absolutely, how do you think Bibby got open for the 3? Why was Stat wide open onthe pick and roll with Melo. Melo draws attention which in turn opens up shots for his teammates. So yes, he does make his players better in that sense. He's not going to break his man down off the dribble, draw defenders and dish off for a dunk ala Lebron because thats not his game. Stop trying to make him out to be what is not.

If you guys actually watched Bernard King play, he did the same things. He effected the game mainly by scoring and drawing attention and kicking it out to open teammates. I wonder what this board would look like back in '85 when King was wearing the orange and blue?

He helped us get in the playoffs after he helped us suck for a good part of the season. He was player of the month in April.

Monster stretch.

The real issue is are we that much better with him.

Denver is the same as are we.

There is no agenda, its just 100 game sample. WE are 50-50.

Melo is singularly a better talent than anyone in the trade by far.

The trade if Melo-Chandler for Moz-Felton-Gallo-Wilson-Gallo is a no brainer.

The draft picks bother me, but thats abstract for now.

Its a no brainer trade but has not really changed the results. No doubt the season was far more intereting!

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dirk an MVP dude.

Dirk got a ring.

Dirk got to finals twice.

You forgot?

Dirk take lots of shots.

Dirk put up big numbers.

Kobe also MVP

Kobe also got rings.

Kobe been to finals more times than Dirk even.

You forgot?

Point is, nobody's worrying about Dirk getting triple doubles or making threads about his defensive prowess or how he suddenly made JKidd and Caron Butler and Tyson Chandler better or how he makes hot dogs taste better and Texas a great place to live and Cuban less annoying.

He. Takes. Lots. Of. Shots. He. Puts. Up. Big. Numbers. He. Has. Succeeded. Doing. So.

End of point.

We talking about Melo! not kobe, not Dirk, but MELO! C'mon man! MELO?