Nalod wrote:What is it about Deron that makes him DeronBury?

He is very similar to Marbury in many ways. I would still much rather have Melo. Melo is at least a star scorer and closer. I'm not sure what makes Williams a star in any area of the game besides putting up some points and assists.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is it about Deron that makes him DeronBury?

Chuck first, Chuck 2nd, pad assist stats after chucking to make it seem like a "true point guard". Throwing a highly respected coach of over 20 years under the bus doesn't help either.

MDA does not have 20 years, but Deron almost sounds like Melo in your words.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is it about Deron that makes him DeronBury?

Chuck first, Chuck 2nd, pad assist stats after chucking to make it seem like a "true point guard". Throwing a highly respected coach of over 20 years under the bus doesn't help either.

MDA does not have 20 years, but Deron almost sounds like Melo in your words.

Yea can't really put MDA in Sloan's class. Not in the same league. MDA=Euroleague championship coach=Bush league. Sloan one of the all time great coaches, 20+ years in NBA, 2 NBA Finals appearances, Naismith Hall of Fame. Bad comparison by you.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

Get into his head. Melo isnt the problem.

I remember reading the same crap about Kobe. He shoots too much etc. Doesnt share the ball. Then they got Gasol and they were rolling.

That's what I don't get about the Hatters. What about those years after Shaq left Kobe, 2004-2009? How many titles did Kobe win without a decent roster? Hatters gonna hat...

ChuckBuck wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

Get into his head. Melo isnt the problem.

I remember reading the same crap about Kobe. He shoots too much etc. Doesnt share the ball. Then they got Gasol and they were rolling.

That's what I don't get about the Hatters. What about those years after Shaq left Kobe, 2004-2009? How many titles did Kobe win without a decent roster? Hatters gonna hat...

Here we go with the comparison again, wasn’t Kobe a NBA Champion, NBA scoring champ, NBA All defensive team way before the Lakers acquired Paul Gasol? What exactly has Melo done to deserve such a high comparison?

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

Get into his head. Melo isnt the problem.

I remember reading the same crap about Kobe. He shoots too much etc. Doesnt share the ball. Then they got Gasol and they were rolling.

That's what I don't get about the Hatters. What about those years after Shaq left Kobe, 2004-2009? How many titles did Kobe win without a decent roster? Hatters gonna hat...

Here we go with the comparison again, wasn’t Kobe a NBA Champion, NBA scoring champ, NBA All defensive team way before the Lakers acquired Paul Gasol? What exactly has Melo done to deserve such a high comparison?

Kobe was a NBA Champion 2000-2002 with the best player in the league at the time 3 Time Finals MVP Shaquille O'Neal(30 pts/gm). Great role players like Glenn Rice, Robert Horry, Horace Grant, Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw. And of course Phil Jackson and Tex Winters.

You pair Melo with all time great Shaquille in his prime and that supporting cast and coaching staff, he'd probably have multiple rings too.

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

Get into his head. Melo isnt the problem.

I remember reading the same crap about Kobe. He shoots too much etc. Doesnt share the ball. Then they got Gasol and they were rolling.

That's what I don't get about the Hatters. What about those years after Shaq left Kobe, 2004-2009? How many titles did Kobe win without a decent roster? Hatters gonna hat...

Here we go with the comparison again, wasn’t Kobe a NBA Champion, NBA scoring champ, NBA All defensive team way before the Lakers acquired Paul Gasol? What exactly has Melo done to deserve such a high comparison?

Kobe was a NBA Champion 2000-2002 with the best player in the league at the time 3 Time Finals MVP Shaquille O'Neal(30 pts/gm). Great role players like Glenn Rice, Robert Horry, Horace Grant, Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw. And of course Phil Jackson and Tex Winters.

You pair Melo with all time great Shaquille in his prime and that supporting cast and coaching staff, he'd probably have multiple rings too.

OK, let’s assume that Melo doesn’t have a ring because he hasn’t play with another dominant big man, than where is the scoring titles, the MVPs or the defensive player award?
While an All Star, what exactly has Melo achieved in the NBA that merit such a high comparison to Kobe Bryant?

NBA
Rank Player PPG
1. Michael Jordan* 30.12
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 30.07
3. LeBron James 27.64
4. Elgin Baylor* 27.36
5. Jerry West* 27.03
6. Allen Iverson 26.66
7. Bob Pettit* 26.36
8. George Gervin* 26.18
9. Oscar Robertson* 25.68
10. Kobe Bryant 25.40
11. Dwyane Wade 25.15
12. Karl Malone* 25.02
13. Dominique Wilkins* 24.83
14. Carmelo Anthony 24.65
15. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.61
16. Larry Bird* 24.29
17. Adrian Dantley* 24.27
18. Pete Maravich* 24.24
19. Shaquille O'Neal 23.69
20. Rick Barry* 23.17

Not bad company considering he's never led the league in scoring, scored 81 in one game, or been an MVP yet.

And let's get that Glenn Robinson/Vince Carter bull**** out of here, I don't see them on this list. 'Nique seems like a fair comparison.

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is not the problem.

But at the same time he is not the solution.

Judging by the support he gets its obvious he attracts fans and they defend him.

Fans like Melo and Meloball.

Dolan does not care about silly things like court spacing, who is coaching, and what a teams ceiling is.

He wants to sell tickets.

We have a fun team to watch but one with a low ceiling for the foreseeable future.

Meloball=Starphuck

MeloBury!

The problem with Melo-haters is what is the alternate solution? Sit and wait for another star for who knows how long? Build a team like Philly or Denver, who will never be a contender? There aren't any real alternatives, but it is easy to complain I know. Stars don't grow on trees. Melo is the closest thing we've had since Ewing. The problem wasn't getting Melo, the problem was that the plans probably should have changed when we got Melo. We need to build the best team possible with Melo as the focal point. Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert is a great start. Let's continue to build!

Star don't go on trees but if we were patient we could have had Dwight and Deron/Cp3.

Lots of moons and stars needed to collide and we would have had to pass on Amare.

Its water under the bridge.

Im a Knick fan once again a bit frustrated.

Melo is getting hate because the starphuch was sold to fans and he was greated with savior like acceptance.

I'd like to see Phil Jax get into this kids head and pull his Jedi mind tricks on him.

Get into his head. Melo isnt the problem.

I remember reading the same crap about Kobe. He shoots too much etc. Doesnt share the ball. Then they got Gasol and they were rolling.

That's what I don't get about the Hatters. What about those years after Shaq left Kobe, 2004-2009? How many titles did Kobe win without a decent roster? Hatters gonna hat...

Here we go with the comparison again, wasn’t Kobe a NBA Champion, NBA scoring champ, NBA All defensive team way before the Lakers acquired Paul Gasol? What exactly has Melo done to deserve such a high comparison?

Kobe was a NBA Champion 2000-2002 with the best player in the league at the time 3 Time Finals MVP Shaquille O'Neal(30 pts/gm). Great role players like Glenn Rice, Robert Horry, Horace Grant, Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw. And of course Phil Jackson and Tex Winters.

You pair Melo with all time great Shaquille in his prime and that supporting cast and coaching staff, he'd probably have multiple rings too.

OK, let’s assume that Melo doesn’t have a ring because he hasn’t play with another dominant big man, than where is the scoring titles, the MVPs or the defensive player award?
While an All Star, what exactly has Melo achieved in the NBA that merit such a high comparison to Kobe Bryant?

NBA
Rank Player PPG
1. Michael Jordan* 30.12
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 30.07
3. LeBron James 27.64
4. Elgin Baylor* 27.36
5. Jerry West* 27.03
6. Allen Iverson 26.667. Bob Pettit* 26.36
8. George Gervin* 26.18
9. Oscar Robertson* 25.68
10. Kobe Bryant 25.40
11. Dwyane Wade 25.15
12. Karl Malone* 25.02
13. Dominique Wilkins* 24.83
14. Carmelo Anthony 24.65
15. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.6116. Larry Bird* 24.2917. Adrian Dantley* 24.27
18. Pete Maravich* 24.24
19. Shaquille O'Neal 23.6920. Rick Barry* 23.17

Not bad company considering he's never led the league in scoring, scored 81 in one game, or been an MVP yet.

And let's get that Glenn Robinson/Vince Carter bull**** out of here, I don't see them on this list. 'Nique seems like a fair comparison.

21. George Mikan* 23.13
22. Dirk Nowitzki 22.88
23. Paul Arizin* 22.81
24. Bernard King 22.49
25. Charles Barkley* 22.14
26. David Thompson* 22.13
27. Bob McAdoo* 22.05
28. Paul Pierce 22.04
29. Julius Erving* 21.97
30. Hakeem Olajuwon* 21.7731. Amare Stoudemire 21.57
32. Alex English* 21.47
33. Vince Carter 21.44
34. David Robinson* 21.06
35. Mitch Richmond 21.00
36. Patrick Ewing* 20.98
37. Elvin Hayes* 20.96
38. Billy Cunningham* 20.83
39. John Havlicek* 20.78
40. John Drew 20.69
41. Glenn Robinson 20.6942. Chris Webber 20.68
43. Gilbert Arenas 20.6644. Moses Malone* 20.62
45. Clyde Drexler* 20.44
46. Dan Issel* 20.42
47. Dave Bing* 20.34
48. Tim Duncan 20.3049. World B. Free 20.27
50. Lou Hudson 2 0.16

Really is this all you got? I guess Melo and Iverson are/were as good as Shaq, Bird, Hakeem and Kareem after all since they are listed ahead. LOL.
Also, since Gilbert Arenas and Glen Robison are ahead of Tim Duncan and Isiah Thomason in this list, I should assume they were as good or better as well. Hahahah, this is good man.

JamesKPolk wrote:Carmelo Anthony is not Kobe Bryant - both mentally and on skill level.

Great analysis man, backed up by bullet points and stats, and loads of references.

ChuckBuck wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Carmelo Anthony is not Kobe Bryant - both mentally and on skill level.

Great analysis man, backed up by bullet points and stats, and loads of references.

Doesnt matter if he is Kobe. We aren't getting Kobe Bryant.

Melo is at WORSE the 3rd best SF in the NBA. We aren't getting Lebron or Durant either so Melo stays.