mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Fishmike - normally when I see elbows being thrown, which is every game, it's more of a body twist with bent elbow. What artist did was not that. His was more of a martial arts like stab. Hard to describe but much more violent imo.

He will probably get 5 games and I would not be shocked if it was more. He is lucky he didn't catch a more vulnerable part of the skull, like the side. He really could have killed him if it was to the temple.

oh I agree... your 100% right. But guys here are putting Artest's elbows up there with baby killers and Nazi skinheads. It was a shady move yea, but the drama seems overboard to me, thats all.

I watched it for the 10th time.

Why after a guy throws down a big dunk and is pumping his fists is Harden sticking his face in Ron's grill?

Im not defending Artest. It was dirty, shady, all that... but lifetime bans? The Knicks of the 90s did the same stuff, all the time. But when your hitting the Bulls its ok. Man remember how Phil Jax used to whine about it?

Please.. its sports. Its heat of the moment also. Not like he waited for Harden, then came after him with a 2x4, then choked him and had to be separated. Oh wait.. thats Spree and we love him.

The worse thing about that elbow was it connected.

At least you are consistent in sticking to/with the guys you like no matter what they do wrong

What Artest did was wrong and he deserves the punishment and he really hurt his team and himself. I would imagine when his contract is up he's done in the NBA. I could also see him pulling a Marbury and winning titles, owning a team and playing till he's 50 in China and becoming a national hero or something ridiculous.

IrishKnickFan wrote:i understand heat of the moment things happen but this isnt exactly the first time for Artest. Its a shame because the guy has talent if he would have just kept his head on straight he could have been an even better player

Harden started altercation by walking straight into Artest on PURPOSE. Artest cleared him and ended up hitting him in the head.

Harden learned his lesson now. You don't mess with the Rottweiler aka Ron Artest.

LOL at Ibaka. Dude was waiting for that ref before he approached Artest further. These NBA guys want to be fake tough guys.

Allanfan20 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:He only got the 7 games because of his past.

Harden started altercation by walking straight into Artest on PURPOSE. Artest cleared him and ended up hitting him in the head.

Harden learned his lesson now. You don't mess with the Rottweiler aka Ron Artest.

LOL at Ibaka. Dude was waiting for that ref before he approached Artest further. These NBA guys want to be fake tough guys.

So you get close to someone and you should get a concussion? Look, Harden was silly for getting in Artests grill, ESPECIALLY a guy like Artest. I agree with that. However, the guy deserves his punishment

I agree with fishmike though. People are going a little overboard. It was a bad, stupid, bushleague carelsss and f'ed up move.... but it could be a hell of a lot worse. That hit Bynum did against the Mavs was a crap ton worse, and he has a reputation too... yet we forget about him because of the season he's having.

Who forgot about Bynum? That was sick too!

Maybe the NBA should put in a 5 foot rule that if you enter a players (5 foot) space post a score you should get a technical

Bonn1997 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:He only got the 7 games because of his past.

Harden started altercation by walking straight into Artest on PURPOSE. Artest cleared him and ended up hitting him in the head.

Harden learned his lesson now. You don't mess with the Rottweiler aka Ron Artest.

LOL at Ibaka. Dude was waiting for that ref before he approached Artest further. These NBA guys want to be fake tough guys.

So you get close to someone and you should get a concussion? Look, Harden was silly for getting in Artests grill, ESPECIALLY a guy like Artest. I agree with that. However, the guy deserves his punishment

I agree with fishmike though. People are going a little overboard. It was a bad, stupid, bushleague carelsss and f'ed up move.... but it could be a hell of a lot worse. That hit Bynum did against the Mavs was a crap ton worse, and he has a reputation too... yet we forget about him because of the season he's having.

You can't ignore a player's history when evaluating the punishment though. If he otherwise had a low-key career, a 7 game suspension would be reasonable. His history suggests that at any moment, he could become physically dangerous again on the court.

I give Shaq credit for (yesterday) saying the the NBA did him a huge favor and that the punishment was very weak.

mrKnickShot wrote:MWP suspended 12 times and as Hubie Brown said, "showed no remorse and even encountered another player. He got off very easy."

yeah. i don't think a lifetime ban was warranted, but he should have been suspended at least 10-12 games. this dude is bad for the league's image in a lot of ways - he's a true clown sometimes and a violent maniac at other times.

and i do like ron. i think he's a good dude, but he has a terrible temper.

you can see it on his face after almost every incident - he looks shocked and guilty, almost like a kid who knows he has done something wrong. i might be projecting there a little, but look at his face after the elbow to harden and the clothesline on amar'e - to me that looks like a guilty kid who knows he did something wrong. ron is a good guy, but he's got a problem and it is dangerous for other players in the league.

His face never showed expression of anger or intent.

Thats what makes what he did so damn scary!