Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:Elton Brand is a cap killer. Amare is a star player who had an off year coming off an injury but has still shown he can be the player we signed. He showed that in his last game. Is Amare's athleticism gone? Is Amare a 35 year old player? No. The guy was banged up. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Elton Brand.. those are cap killers. Guys like Shandon Anderson were cap killers.

Amare is not a cap killer. Please.

Elton Brand is a defensive force and has an expiring contract next season anyway. How do you define cap killer? Does it incorporate producing well-below your salary and being unmovable?

So a 20/12 career guy signs a massive contract, is always hurt, puts up pedestrian stats but you label him a defensive force and he only has one more year left but he's not a cap killer?

Meanwhile Amare who had one off season due to injuries, but has demonstrated clearly that he posseses the athleticism he had pre injury (something Brand does not have) is a cap killer.

Sorry dude... stick to your opinions, even if they are wrong.

Im happy we signed Amare, and still happy.

LOL @ defensive force.

Actually there are plenty of articles mentioning him as a DPOY candidate. I haven't watched many 76ers games and doubt you have either. I'm using the judgment of those who have consistently watched the games. Amare has played like a max contract player for only one of the last six months of basketball. It's not a good gamble but if one of his max contracts months coincides with the timing of playoffs, we've struck gold.

LOL Never saw one article putting Elton Brand in the Defensive Player of the Year race. You truly have a unique "gift" when he comes imparting opinions as facts. These are the consensus favorites:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/shaun_powell/04/24/defensive-player-of-the-year-pick/

Serge Ibaka

Lebron James

Tyson chandler

Dwight Howard

So, nope, don't think Elton Brand is even in the honorable mention section.

Google search "Elton Brand Defensive Player of the Year." Then come back and apologize.

I did. All I get is some real gm and ESPN insider mumbo jumbo from weeks ago? You got a link? Maybe you should apologize.

fishmike wrote:Amare vs. Phili this year...
17 points, 8 rebs, 58% shooting, Knicks 2-1 mostly in very low scoring games.

This is in his cap killing year (lets disregard last year's 25ppg where he missed 4 games all year).

Yea... Im good with more cap killers like that.

Fishmike,

Here is how I define cap killer:

If the knicks had their amnesty this year, what are the chances they would have used it this summer on Amare?

100 PCT!

Last year was his first year of a his 5 yr (MAX) contract and he only missed 4 games and you are satisfied with that? Oh but (when it comes to Amare), missing the playoffs is okay as long as he scores 25 per in the regular season?

Also, you talk about max effort / bringing it every night, does/did Amare do this for you on the defensive end? What is the excuse for that his defensive IQ? I don't buy that and respect his intellect far too much to give him that pass. Do you think Amare would have gotten away with such defense for Riley or PJax? Never!

I don't get the bias/un-bias.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:Elton Brand is a cap killer. Amare is a star player who had an off year coming off an injury but has still shown he can be the player we signed. He showed that in his last game. Is Amare's athleticism gone? Is Amare a 35 year old player? No. The guy was banged up. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Elton Brand.. those are cap killers. Guys like Shandon Anderson were cap killers.

Amare is not a cap killer. Please.

Elton Brand is a defensive force and has an expiring contract next season anyway. How do you define cap killer? Does it incorporate producing well-below your salary and being unmovable?

So a 20/12 career guy signs a massive contract, is always hurt, puts up pedestrian stats but you label him a defensive force and he only has one more year left but he's not a cap killer?

Meanwhile Amare who had one off season due to injuries, but has demonstrated clearly that he posseses the athleticism he had pre injury (something Brand does not have) is a cap killer.

Sorry dude... stick to your opinions, even if they are wrong.

Im happy we signed Amare, and still happy.

LOL @ defensive force.

Actually there are plenty of articles mentioning him as a DPOY candidate. I haven't watched many 76ers games and doubt you have either. I'm using the judgment of those who have consistently watched the games. Amare has played like a max contract player for only one of the last six months of basketball. It's not a good gamble but if one of his max contracts months coincides with the timing of playoffs, we've struck gold.

LOL Never saw one article putting Elton Brand in the Defensive Player of the Year race. You truly have a unique "gift" when he comes imparting opinions as facts. These are the consensus favorites:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/shaun_powell/04/24/defensive-player-of-the-year-pick/

Serge Ibaka

Lebron James

Tyson chandler

Dwight Howard

So, nope, don't think Elton Brand is even in the honorable mention section.

Google search "Elton Brand Defensive Player of the Year." Then come back and apologize.

I did. All I get is some real gm and ESPN insider mumbo jumbo from weeks ago? You got a link? Maybe you should apologize.

What do you think teams would be more willing to do in a trade right now: Acquire the remaining $18 mil of Brand's contract or $64 mil of Amare's?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:Elton Brand is a cap killer. Amare is a star player who had an off year coming off an injury but has still shown he can be the player we signed. He showed that in his last game. Is Amare's athleticism gone? Is Amare a 35 year old player? No. The guy was banged up. Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Elton Brand.. those are cap killers. Guys like Shandon Anderson were cap killers.

Amare is not a cap killer. Please.

Elton Brand is a defensive force and has an expiring contract next season anyway. How do you define cap killer? Does it incorporate producing well-below your salary and being unmovable?

So a 20/12 career guy signs a massive contract, is always hurt, puts up pedestrian stats but you label him a defensive force and he only has one more year left but he's not a cap killer?

Meanwhile Amare who had one off season due to injuries, but has demonstrated clearly that he posseses the athleticism he had pre injury (something Brand does not have) is a cap killer.

Sorry dude... stick to your opinions, even if they are wrong.

Im happy we signed Amare, and still happy.

LOL @ defensive force.

Actually there are plenty of articles mentioning him as a DPOY candidate. I haven't watched many 76ers games and doubt you have either. I'm using the judgment of those who have consistently watched the games. Amare has played like a max contract player for only one of the last six months of basketball. It's not a good gamble but if one of his max contracts months coincides with the timing of playoffs, we've struck gold.

LOL Never saw one article putting Elton Brand in the Defensive Player of the Year race. You truly have a unique "gift" when he comes imparting opinions as facts. These are the consensus favorites:

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/shaun_powell/04/24/defensive-player-of-the-year-pick/

Serge Ibaka

Lebron James

Tyson chandler

Dwight Howard

So, nope, don't think Elton Brand is even in the honorable mention section.

Google search "Elton Brand Defensive Player of the Year." Then come back and apologize.

I did. All I get is some real gm and ESPN insider mumbo jumbo from weeks ago? You got a link? Maybe you should apologize.

Sorry I used Yahoo not Google. When I type that exact search in Yahoo, I get far more than just the ESPN Insider article.

What do you think teams would be more willing to do in a trade right now: Acquire the remaining $18 mil of Brand's contract or $60 mil of Amare's?

Obviously Brand's, his is expiring and he's pretty much done (32 years old). Look, it sucks that Amare's contract is uninsured, but it appears Amare's game is not completely gone, see Atlanta (I know, small sample size).

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:Amare vs. Phili this year...
17 points, 8 rebs, 58% shooting, Knicks 2-1 mostly in very low scoring games.

This is in his cap killing year (lets disregard last year's 25ppg where he missed 4 games all year).

Yea... Im good with more cap killers like that.

Fishmike,

Here is how I define cap killer:

If the knicks had their amnesty this year, what are the chances they would have used it this summer on Amare?

100 PCT!

Last year was his first year of a his 5 yr (MAX) contract and he only missed 4 games and you are satisfied with that? Oh but (when it comes to Amare), missing the playoffs is okay as long as he scores 25 per in the regular season?

Also, you talk about max effort / bringing it every night, does/did Amare do this for you on the defensive end? What is the excuse for that his defensive IQ? I don't buy that and respect his intellect far too much to give him that pass. Do you think Amare would have gotten away with such defense for Riley or PJax? Never!

I don't get the bias/un-bias.

Well put. A useful way of overcoming one's fan bias might be to ask this question:
If we had $20 mil in cap space, Amare were a free agent this off-season, and Amare just had the season he had, would you offer him a 3 year, $60 mil contract? Of course not.

There would be zero chance of him getting a ONE YEAR/20 million.

This does not make him a bad player. And, to many on this board who were against the Melo trade (such as you Bonn?), how can you use the argument that Melo might not have come here if you guys did not want Melo? So to you folks, that would have been a plus.

The Knicks outbid themselves for Amare
The Knicks outbid themselves for Melo
And to many, the Knicks outbid themselves for Chandler - though it has looked golden to this point so who cares. But, what were Chandlers other offers?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:Amare vs. Phili this year...
17 points, 8 rebs, 58% shooting, Knicks 2-1 mostly in very low scoring games.

This is in his cap killing year (lets disregard last year's 25ppg where he missed 4 games all year).

Yea... Im good with more cap killers like that.

Fishmike,

Here is how I define cap killer:

If the knicks had their amnesty this year, what are the chances they would have used it this summer on Amare?

100 PCT!

Last year was his first year of a his 5 yr (MAX) contract and he only missed 4 games and you are satisfied with that? Oh but (when it comes to Amare), missing the playoffs is okay as long as he scores 25 per in the regular season?

Also, you talk about max effort / bringing it every night, does/did Amare do this for you on the defensive end? What is the excuse for that his defensive IQ? I don't buy that and respect his intellect far too much to give him that pass. Do you think Amare would have gotten away with such defense for Riley or PJax? Never!

I don't get the bias/un-bias.

Well put. A useful way of overcoming one's fan bias might be to ask this question:
If we had $20 mil in cap space, Amare were a free agent this off-season, and Amare just had the season he had, would you offer him a 3 year, $60 mil contract? Of course not.

There would be zero chance of him getting a ONE YEAR/20 million.

This does not make him a bad player. And, to many on this board who were against the Melo trade (such as you Bonn?), how can you use the argument that Melo might not have come here if you guys did not want Melo? So to you folks, that would have been a plus.

The Knicks outbid themselves for Amare
The Knicks outbid themselves for Melo
And to many, the Knicks outbid themselves for Chandler - though it has looked golden to this point so who cares. But, what were Chandlers other offers?

Chandler's only other offer as far as I'm aware of was a 4 year, $60 mil one that we could have easily beaten.

From Golden State - doesn't count :-)

jrodmc wrote:Amare has a decent showing if we go deep into the playoffs, and all this fades away.

We suck, we hate MDA, MDA is gone. Woody has us playing .750 ball, crazy D.

We suck, we hate Melo, Melo has a stretch that almost overcomes the lack of Linsanity.

We don't suck, we're going to the playoffs, we can't hate on the new coach, we need to hate, so lets hate the first starphucque on board who carried the team for most of a season, but now is not performing when not injured.

Is it too much to ask to just play-GM things that haven't happened and are dead issues already?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Amare has a decent showing if we go deep into the playoffs, and all this fades away.

We suck, we hate MDA, MDA is gone. Woody has us playing .750 ball, crazy D.

We suck, we hate Melo, Melo has a stretch that almost overcomes the lack of Linsanity.

We don't suck, we're going to the playoffs, we can't hate on the new coach, we need to hate, so lets hate the first starphucque on board who carried the team for most of a season, but now is not performing when not injured.

Is it too much to ask to just play-GM things that haven't happened and are dead issues already?

It doesn't make sense to say the GM is the only person in the franchise whose actions we aren't supposed to evaluate.

It does make sense to say we should un-sign the first max contract we were able to get with all that cap space we suffered through to get? I'd love to go back and read all your posts about how you hated Stat prior to the Melo signing, but the water's so far under the bridge it's evaporated into the clouds.

Why does one need to hate stat to think that it was a bad/dangerous/risky signing?

Who else offered him a deal?

Were all the other GM's stupid?

Stat is a good guy and very likable. That does not make it a good signing.

And to me, it's more about his health than about his play.

gunsnewing wrote:The great thing about this extension is it means isiah will not be brought back and placed in a position of power. Maybe continue to be in Dolans ear or as a scout

You mean at least "officially"!

Isiah looms in the shadows............

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Amare has a decent showing if we go deep into the playoffs, and all this fades away.

We suck, we hate MDA, MDA is gone. Woody has us playing .750 ball, crazy D.

We suck, we hate Melo, Melo has a stretch that almost overcomes the lack of Linsanity.

We don't suck, we're going to the playoffs, we can't hate on the new coach, we need to hate, so lets hate the first starphucque on board who carried the team for most of a season, but now is not performing when not injured.

Is it too much to ask to just play-GM things that haven't happened and are dead issues already?

It doesn't make sense to say the GM is the only person in the franchise whose actions we aren't supposed to evaluate.

It does make sense to say we should un-sign the first max contract we were able to get with all that cap space we suffered through to get? I'd love to go back and read all your posts about how you hated Stat prior to the Melo signing, but the water's so far under the bridge it's evaporated into the clouds.

Why does one need to hate stat to think that it was a bad/dangerous/risky signing?

Who else offered him a deal?

Were all the other GM's stupid?

Amar'e Extension Talks: There was a lot said yesterday about talks between Amar'e Stoudemire and the Phoenix Suns "resuming." Sources close to the situation say the concept is silly because Stoudemire's agent Happy Walters and Steve Kerr have become good friends and talk regularly about a wide range of topics.
While the Suns would like to get a contract extension done, Stoudemire is not likely signing anything until July.
Sources close to the situation classify the "resuming talks" as possible damage control as the Suns want it clear that they have tried everything possible to reach a deal with Stoudemire.
The Suns latest contract offer is a full dollar maximum extension worth an estimated $110 million. So there is little to talk about other than how the Suns plan to build a championship contender in the Western Conference.
Sources close to Stoudemire say that's the only thing he needs to understand; the financial part has been taken care of and Suns' owner Robert Sarver has ponied up the money. Now it's about painting a brighter future in order to get a deal done.

Stat is a good guy and very likable. That does not make it a good signing.

And to me, it's more about his health than about his play.

That last statement would be credible, had he not single-handedly made the Knicks relevant again. I'm sorry, somehow even just these four months of 2010 "stats" make comparing the Stat starphucque to a cap waste and making it sound like Stat is Antonio McDyeless part 2 is a bit of a stretch.

PTS TRB AST
21.3 7.7 3.0
24.6 8.8 2.3
29.8 9.7 2.5
25.7 8.3 3.2

I'm a loyalist. The man carried the team. We've paid relatively insane amounts for tremendously less, both in production and health-wise.

4 months is NOT 5 YEARS!! How was he this year? Max player good? It's only his second year.

What is your honest opinion of prediction in regards to how many games he plays/misses over the next three years? Most team predicted that it would be many.

Back issues, knee issues ... very dangerous. You don't think his production and GP's will rapidly decline?

Its not about the person, its about the contract.

Nalod wrote:Suns offer was guarantee for 3 years, then he'd qualify for years 4-5 based on minutes played in years 3-4.

Their concern was his health, not the money or his talent.

Knicks took the risk. We'll see how it pans out.

+1

3 years makes sense. If you get 2 then you are ok and you have a valuable expiring contract on your hands.

5 years and you get 2, well ... thats not so good.

Yes. Time will tell