Nalod wrote:The one constant thru the season has been Melo.

Without Novak, Lin and JR the season would be a disaster.

We got lucky.

7th seed!!!!

Whoo Hoo! Yeah, Its on, they scared now, Melo is top ten! Damn! Phuchen Ay right dare mutha Phucking right Melo is the Shyt!

Yeah! Whoo! Uh Huh! Oh, yeah! Whoo Hoo!!!! Yeah! "Melo"! The man! Yeah! Whoo! Bring on the Bulls! Bring on the HEat! Yeah! Whoo!

And, And, and, and, when Amare comes back! Whoo! Bring his stiff ass back off the bench! Yeah! Anchor that second line! Whoo! Jorts baby! Yeah! And, and, and and Whoo! Yeah! Jorts! Whoo! yeah! and, yeah Whoo! Lin coming back too! Phuch MDA! and and and, next year we get Nash! Whoo! Yeah, its gonna be great! Phuch Gallo! Whoo! Fat ass Felton!! Phuch MDA! Whoo! The Mayor? Of what? Whoo! Jorts! Yeah! Mozz? Who? Whoo! Yeah! Can't wait! Yeah! And and and.......whoo! Phuch phil jax! Don't need that old man ring thing around here! Whoo! Got Nash coming! Whoo! AMare gonna be great!

Whoo! Melo on Nurse Jackie! Top 10! Yup! Stars! La La selling Market America cosmetics pyramid scheme! Stars baby! Top 10!

LMFAO. And so damn true.

But that's life as a knick fan and it certainly is a sh1tty life.

I went to Camden Yards for the Yankee's O's game last week. there was 20,000 fans there and they were all Yankee fans. They completely gave up on their team and dream for the days of at leat .500. You see? We could be worse off

So let's say we have miracle happen to US! Yes US! And, we beat Miami in the first round. Will you follow up with:

"I hate being so excited about knocking of the Heat, a top seed in the first round! Why can't we have more? Why can't it be us who is the top seed and win those rings or who has PJAX, Kobe, Shaq ...?"

Or, will that satisfy you - for now?

fishmike wrote:let me say one last thing. I 100% believe we can win a title with Melo as the centerpiece. Im sorry, but if that isnt an endorsement I dont know what is.

It doesnt mean we WILL.

But the guy can score, and he can impose his will on the game. Now what makes a top 10 player great is this is a nightly goal. Not just come crunchtime, playoffs or when really needed. There is something to be gained by going full steam every night. You cant excuse a player for losing because the first round matchups are too tough, and also excuse an inconsistant effort during the regular season. Thats just how I see it.

Im excited about this team and the possibilities, but its all show and tell.

We all believed the same for Mike D'antoni when he first joined. Many of us, including myself gave him the chance because he was known as the ultimate players coach and had a way of communicating to his players because of his success in Phoenix. We all endorsed him.

But when things didn't go according to plan, the excuses started coming out. Mike D'antoni was excused here for several seasons, sometimes because the competition was too tough for him as well. He was also excused for his inconsistent effort in getting the team to play as a unit.

I don't get this at all. Everything you say about Carmelo can be said for D'antoni as well.

But the difference is that right now, the Melo stock is up, and the D'antoni stock has crashed.

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

its not. It really isnt. Sure, I defended MDA as I did EVERY coach before him. I defended Chaney, Wilkins, Larry, MDA... always saying the same thing: ITS THE PLAYERS.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

Fishmike - while I don't completely disagree with you, you can't just generalize and need to do apples to apples comparisons.

Kobe and Duncan ARE the level above but at the same time, look at their teams!! Nice to have Shaq (won of the most dominant players that I have ever seen) as a SECOND option and Pau, Bynum ........... And Duncan having Parker, Manu and David Robinson. Or, the big 3 in Miami or the big 4 in Boston. MJ, Pippen, Rodman ..........

Dan Marino never won an SB. Many have defended him fairly that he never had the teams that Montana had. It's still a ding that he will need to live with but was Marino not incredible?

Ewing had a monster team around him that was the toughest team I have ever seen. Smart PG's like Doc Rivers, D Harper and Mark Jackson. And, numerous enforcers. With all that, they had holes that inhibited their growth. A lack of a true scorer at the 2 or 3 ... And Ewing was far from the perfect team player that elevated everyones game. He was often criticized for refusing to pass to open players out of the double teams and that overall, he was a subpar passer.

Take Paul Pierce out and insert Melo and/or take Kobe out (for those years) and insert Melo. Is he Kobe? Of course not! But if he wins a championship with that team (which was as loaded as can be), is he then a top player? Maybe ... who knows.

Expectations: do you want him to score 70 points being that he is the only viable/consistent scorer on this team?

Last year in the playoffs, he was the only one to show up. And he showed up! They lost because he was the only person to show up but hey - WE LOST!! It's all on him. This is what Marino dealt with his whole career. And, it will always follow him - and does.

Nobody can argue that Melo is an all world talent. He is possibly the best pure scorer in the league. Can he win with the right team around him? Time will tell. But, you need to be fair in comparisons.

Name the Star that won without a viable PG/a (consistent) second scoring option (lets forget about a 3rd or 4th option)?

again.. "ITS ALL ON MELO"

Those are your words not mine.

Maybe Im wrong. Melo is a star and the best. He just didnt have the right mix. Or the right coach. Or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scoring options needed to be better. Those were excuses for Ewing not being able to win a TITLE. But through 10 years of roster shuffling and 3 coaches the dude's team advanced EVERY YEAR. End of discussion dude. Different caliber of player. Melo is a 2nd tier guy. Not a carry the team guy.

Expectations?

How about this. You tell me what I should expect. We traded the what? 4 starters and 2-3 first rounders for essentially one player? + his sidekick who had no legs left?

What should I expect? Do tell whats fair. Clearly Im being unfair

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:let me say one last thing. I 100% believe we can win a title with Melo as the centerpiece. Im sorry, but if that isnt an endorsement I dont know what is.

It doesnt mean we WILL.

But the guy can score, and he can impose his will on the game. Now what makes a top 10 player great is this is a nightly goal. Not just come crunchtime, playoffs or when really needed. There is something to be gained by going full steam every night. You cant excuse a player for losing because the first round matchups are too tough, and also excuse an inconsistant effort during the regular season. Thats just how I see it.

Im excited about this team and the possibilities, but its all show and tell.

We all believed the same for Mike D'antoni when he first joined. Many of us, including myself gave him the chance because he was known as the ultimate players coach and had a way of communicating to his players because of his success in Phoenix. We all endorsed him.

But when things didn't go according to plan, the excuses started coming out. Mike D'antoni was excused here for several seasons, sometimes because the competition was too tough for him as well. He was also excused for his inconsistent effort in getting the team to play as a unit.

I don't get this at all. Everything you say about Carmelo can be said for D'antoni as well.
But the difference is that right now, the Melo stock is up, and the D'antoni stock has crashed.

I would say MDA and Melo have accomplished about the same as far as being an NBA coach and NBA player.

Whos a better player? Better career? Iverson or Melo?

Nalod wrote:
Ok, so we traded Gallo, Mozzy, two no. 1's, felton and the mayor for Melo and Amnisty.

Not saying it was worth it or not, but we gave in trade the very support players that "Stars" need.

We did get Chandler, Smith, Novak and Lin by luck so the trade was balanced.

Its fair to say Melo has had good players around him. He is high volume shooter so we go back to the old arguement........

and the answer has to be wins vs losses.

Can he play at a high level with Lin and Amare?

Won't really have a good sample this year either.

Until then, its on him.

Am I wrong for holding Melo to the Ewing standard? Is he our franchise player? IS it his team? I just want to see winning basketball. Go win.

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

its not. It really isnt. Sure, I defended MDA as I did EVERY coach before him. I defended Chaney, Wilkins, Larry, MDA... always saying the same thing: ITS THE PLAYERS.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

Fishmike - while I don't completely disagree with you, you can't just generalize and need to do apples to apples comparisons.

Kobe and Duncan ARE the level above but at the same time, look at their teams!! Nice to have Shaq (won of the most dominant players that I have ever seen) as a SECOND option and Pau, Bynum ........... And Duncan having Parker, Manu and David Robinson. Or, the big 3 in Miami or the big 4 in Boston. MJ, Pippen, Rodman ..........

Dan Marino never won an SB. Many have defended him fairly that he never had the teams that Montana had. It's still a ding that he will need to live with but was Marino not incredible?

Ewing had a monster team around him that was the toughest team I have ever seen. Smart PG's like Doc Rivers, D Harper and Mark Jackson. And, numerous enforcers. With all that, they had holes that inhibited their growth. A lack of a true scorer at the 2 or 3 ... And Ewing was far from the perfect team player that elevated everyones game. He was often criticized for refusing to pass to open players out of the double teams and that overall, he was a subpar passer.

Take Paul Pierce out and insert Melo and/or take Kobe out (for those years) and insert Melo. Is he Kobe? Of course not! But if he wins a championship with that team (which was as loaded as can be), is he then a top player? Maybe ... who knows.

Expectations: do you want him to score 70 points being that he is the only viable/consistent scorer on this team?

Last year in the playoffs, he was the only one to show up. And he showed up! They lost because he was the only person to show up but hey - WE LOST!! It's all on him. This is what Marino dealt with his whole career. And, it will always follow him - and does.

Nobody can argue that Melo is an all world talent. He is possibly the best pure scorer in the league. Can he win with the right team around him? Time will tell. But, you need to be fair in comparisons.

Name the Star that won without a viable PG/a (consistent) second scoring option (lets forget about a 3rd or 4th option)?

I just did. Ewing. No play makers. Chris Childs was supposed to be the great aquisition. Who was the the 2nd scorer? Starks? Charles Smith? Eventually it was Houston and Spree.

again.. "ITS ALL ON MELO"

Those are your words not mine.

Maybe Im wrong. Melo is a star and the best. He just didnt have the right mix. Or the right coach. Or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scoring options needed to be better. Those were excuses for Ewing not being able to win a TITLE. But through 10 years of roster shuffling and 3 coaches the dude's team advanced EVERY YEAR. End of discussion dude. Different caliber of player. Melo is a 2nd tier guy. Not a carry the team guy.

Expectations?

How about this. You tell me what I should expect. We traded the what? 4 starters and 2-3 first rounders for essentially one player? + his sidekick who had no legs left?

What should I expect? Do tell whats fair. Clearly Im being unfair

Ewing? Ha! No championships? No MVP's? Outplayed by Rik phuckin Smits? 2nd tier.

1994 - the year and only year HIS team went to the finals. Starks averaged 19 pts per. PG's? How about Harper, Rivers and Anthony. Not ZERO PG's, 3!!! Oh, and Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley and H Davis who never missed a shot. Please don't honestly compare the two teams and be expected to be taken seriously. Melo went to the wcf's with a far less team than that. FAR FAR LESS.

Keep saying 4 starters but you know good and well that we got back Billups. You even know that Chandler was not being resigned. And the Moz. Yes the Moz, I do miss him dearly and his Win Shares. Once again this shows dis-ingenuity. First rounders? They can't keep the Bo Kimbles, Walter McCarty's and Dante Jones' that we draft. Still not saying that we certainly came out ahead yet. I will make that determination in 3 years. Propaganda is what it is.

Expectations? I expect to win games that we are expected to win. Anything better is above expectations.

It's suppose to be about winning. But when we do win or look forward to what can be done going forward with the level of play we have, it's all that can be done to "put the brakes on" or "clam down" the knicks fans.

Mike has sand in his vag just like after the Pacers lost, and the Hawks lost and like the Melo trade,and on and on and on. Yeah we get it, you're not happy or impressed and you get sand in your Vag often, fine. So that means you got to rain on anybody and every bodies parade??? You will never be impressed unless the knicks win a title, but you loved Ewing(rightfully so). But it is laughable that you can draw the line so often about what puts a boner in your pants.

FM: Melo ain't won nothing he's a low level player.
KF: well Ewing never won either
FM: Well Ewing was a mans, man and he got to the second round at lease every year.
KF: Well Melo has been leading his teams to 50 wins and the playoffs every year, why are you trying to down grade everything Melo has done by comparing him to players that haven't accomplished anything close.

It's a ****ty circle of reasoning IMO, "every player is nothing until I deem it something". What a front running way to view the world.

And Nalod you always worried about "hype", when it's good for the knicks. If it's "hype" for another team well your all over it right. Crazy talking about other teams future but you can't just bare to let a thread go by if there is too much "hype" about the knicks. Well correction, the knicks with Melo, the "hype" would be fine if we were pumping up Gallo while he sat out for 2-6 weeks though. That "Hype" would have been refreshing!!! And Nets hype, even though they pretty much spit the bit!!!

Funny thing is we win and none of this ever happened. We win big and it's all under the bridge right??? It's a lose lose to have to deal with this kind of rational because at the end of the day, they will never wrong.

Either the team wins and "that's what we wanted all along"
or
they don't and it's "see that's why I never brought in".

Zero Payoff. No point to it, please just let these duds get the sand out!!!

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

its not. It really isnt. Sure, I defended MDA as I did EVERY coach before him. I defended Chaney, Wilkins, Larry, MDA... always saying the same thing: ITS THE PLAYERS.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

Fishmike - while I don't completely disagree with you, you can't just generalize and need to do apples to apples comparisons.

Kobe and Duncan ARE the level above but at the same time, look at their teams!! Nice to have Shaq (won of the most dominant players that I have ever seen) as a SECOND option and Pau, Bynum ........... And Duncan having Parker, Manu and David Robinson. Or, the big 3 in Miami or the big 4 in Boston. MJ, Pippen, Rodman ..........

Dan Marino never won an SB. Many have defended him fairly that he never had the teams that Montana had. It's still a ding that he will need to live with but was Marino not incredible?

Ewing had a monster team around him that was the toughest team I have ever seen. Smart PG's like Doc Rivers, D Harper and Mark Jackson. And, numerous enforcers. With all that, they had holes that inhibited their growth. A lack of a true scorer at the 2 or 3 ... And Ewing was far from the perfect team player that elevated everyones game. He was often criticized for refusing to pass to open players out of the double teams and that overall, he was a subpar passer.

Take Paul Pierce out and insert Melo and/or take Kobe out (for those years) and insert Melo. Is he Kobe? Of course not! But if he wins a championship with that team (which was as loaded as can be), is he then a top player? Maybe ... who knows.

Expectations: do you want him to score 70 points being that he is the only viable/consistent scorer on this team?

Last year in the playoffs, he was the only one to show up. And he showed up! They lost because he was the only person to show up but hey - WE LOST!! It's all on him. This is what Marino dealt with his whole career. And, it will always follow him - and does.

Nobody can argue that Melo is an all world talent. He is possibly the best pure scorer in the league. Can he win with the right team around him? Time will tell. But, you need to be fair in comparisons.

Name the Star that won without a viable PG/a (consistent) second scoring option (lets forget about a 3rd or 4th option)?

I just did. Ewing. No play makers. Chris Childs was supposed to be the great aquisition. Who was the the 2nd scorer? Starks? Charles Smith? Eventually it was Houston and Spree.

again.. "ITS ALL ON MELO"

Those are your words not mine.

Maybe Im wrong. Melo is a star and the best. He just didnt have the right mix. Or the right coach. Or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th scoring options needed to be better. Those were excuses for Ewing not being able to win a TITLE. But through 10 years of roster shuffling and 3 coaches the dude's team advanced EVERY YEAR. End of discussion dude. Different caliber of player. Melo is a 2nd tier guy. Not a carry the team guy.

Expectations?

How about this. You tell me what I should expect. We traded the what? 4 starters and 2-3 first rounders for essentially one player? + his sidekick who had no legs left?

What should I expect? Do tell whats fair. Clearly Im being unfair

Ewing? Ha! No championships? No MVP's? Outplayed by Rik phuckin Smits? 2nd tier.

1994 - the year and only year HIS team went to the finals. Starks averaged 19 pts per. PG's? How about Harper, Rivers and Anthony. Not ZERO PG's, 3!!! Oh, and Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley and H Davis who never missed a shot. Please don't honestly compare the two teams and be expected to be taken seriously. Melo went to the wcf's with a far less team than that. FAR FAR LESS.

Keep saying 4 starters but you know good and well that we got back Billups. You even know that Chandler was not being resigned. And the Moz. Yes the Moz, I do miss him dearly and his Win Shares. Once again this shows dis-ingenuity. First rounders? They can't keep the Bo Kimbles, Walter McCarty's and Dante Jones' that we draft. Still not saying that we certainly came out ahead yet. I will make that determination in 3 years. Propaganda is what it is.

Expectations? I expect to win games that we are expected to win. Anything better is above expectations.

Propaganda?

Walter McCarty's? Dante Jones? how about Shumpert? David Lee? Wilson Chandler? Those are good players right? we traded those mid first round picks. All part of the Melo package. Who's being disingenious now?

Billups was a big part of the trade? Great... we traded young for old. How's Billups been since the trade? 35 year old PGs are pretty reliable right? Please.

bigshot.. whats your point. Make your statement.

My statement is this: Melo isnt a 10 ten player in this league till he proves it in the playoffs this year. When we start next year after another first round exit in which Melo had wonderfull stats he will still NOT be a top 10 player. If Melo has a big series and sends the Bulls (Rose) or Heat (Bron/Wade) packing I will 10000% agree he's cemented himself in that tier. He's never done it. Not once.

Go ahead... make your statement. I dont even know what your arguement is anymore. Im all ears.

Nalod wrote:

Anji wrote:Man this place is always like this after we lose. It sucks being around here after a lost when all some guys cares about is harping about the past. Harping being the endless talking and back tracking. For Melo, It's either "he is doing what he is suppose to do" or "he isn't performing up to par, we traded half the team for him", everything is a negative.

It's suppose to be about winning. But when we do win or look forward to what can be done going forward with the level of play we have, it's all that can be done to "put the brakes on" or "clam down" the knicks fans.

Mike has sand in his vag just like after the Pacers lost, and the Hawks lost and like the Melo trade,and on and on and on. Yeah we get it, you're not happy or impressed and you get sand in your Vag often, fine. So that means you got to rain on anybody and every bodies parade??? You will never be impressed unless the knicks win a title, but you loved Ewing(rightfully so). But it is laughable that you can draw the line so often about what puts a boner in your pants.

FM: Melo ain't won nothing he's a low level player.
KF: well Ewing never won either
FM: Well Ewing was a mans, man and he got to the second round at lease every year.
KF: Well Melo has been leading his teams to 50 wins and the playoffs every year, why are you trying to down grade everything Melo has done by comparing him to players that haven't accomplished anything close.

It's a ****ty circle of reasoning IMO, "every player is nothing until I deem it something". What a front running way to view the world.

And Nalod you always worried about "hype", when it's good for the knicks. If it's "hype" for another team well your all over it right. Crazy talking about other teams future but you can't just bare to let a thread go by if there is too much "hype" about the knicks. Well correction, the knicks with Melo, the "hype" would be fine if we were pumping up Gallo while he sat out for 2-6 weeks though. That "Hype" would have been refreshing!!! And Nets hype, even though they pretty much spit the bit!!!Funny thing is we win and none of this ever happened. We win big and it's all under the bridge right??? It's a lose lose to have to deal with this kind of rational because at the end of the day, they will never wrong.

Either the team wins and "that's what we wanted all along"
or
they don't and it's "see that's why I never brought in".

Zero Payoff. No point to it, please just let these duds get the sand out!!!

Not my thread.

Lets go thru the top 11:

Kobe
Lebron
Wade
cp3
Durant
Bynum
Rose
Love
Dirk
Dwight

So like Fishmike alluded to, maybe we can take the dicks out each others ass in celbration of Melos run here the last few weeks and ask yourslf is he really above Manu/Parker, Westbrook, Griffith, Gay, Aldridge, Amare, Bosh or Deron? Manu and Parker have rings.

Im not saying he is better or worse, just in this catagory.

Its good company BTW

According to Fishmikes logic, Love has no business being on that list...And what has Aldridge doen to merit being above Melo? Griffin hasn't been to the playoffs either, so none of the 3 belong above Melo.