Anji wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Anji wrote:"It took defenses 10 games to slow Lin down. People have been trying to slow down Melo for 8 years"

How you build your offense, great quote!!!!!!!

Lin didnt slow down i mean i remmeber him owning the sixers and pacers not too long ago. man its funny how melo fans bash lin even though they are on teh same team. i mean here's a thought why not cheer for both of them and for a good future?

1) I don't care about what you remember, teams started to key in on Lin and after the Heat game he never scored 20 points again and had 4 double digit assists(with 9 twice) in 12 games before MIA. And had 3 double assists games in 15 after MIA (no 9 assist games).

2) Me pointing out who the offense should feature isn't bashing on Lin or not cheering for him. Or am I wrong to point out that one guy has been playing at the top of the league for 8 years and others play steadily dropped after 10 games???

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

Anji wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

LOL, that's funny. I wonder if anybody thinks Noah is the MVP of the Bulls because he gets the rebounds or do the rules change per Melo???

Nah, 43 points, with 2 3 pters at the end of 4th and OT...that's nothing, any Joe off the street can do that.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Anji wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

Anji wrote:"It took defenses 10 games to slow Lin down. People have been trying to slow down Melo for 8 years"

How you build your offense, great quote!!!!!!!

Lin didnt slow down i mean i remmeber him owning the sixers and pacers not too long ago. man its funny how melo fans bash lin even though they are on teh same team. i mean here's a thought why not cheer for both of them and for a good future?

1) I don't care about what you remember, teams started to key in on Lin and after the Heat game he never scored 20 points again and had 4 double digit assists(with 9 twice) in 12 games before MIA. And had 3 double assists games in 15 after MIA (no 9 assist games).

2) Me pointing out who the offense should feature isn't bashing on Lin or not cheering for him. Or am I wrong to point out that one guy has been playing at the top of the league for 8 years and others play steadily dropped after 10 games???

I wasn't bashing Melo i was just syaing lin was great for us and he has a ton of potential why bash teh guy when he and melo could lead this team teh next few years make sense?

The statement or quote I posted was very simple, why feature a good offensive player when you have a great on the team already.

Feature does not mean hate or bash or not cheer for Lin.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.

DATE	     MIN	FGM-FGA	   FG%	 3PM-3PA   3P%	FTM-FTA	  FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
January	     35.6	8.3-21.1   .393	 1.4-4.4   .311	5.4-6.8	  .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
February     31.5	6.1-15.4   .398	 0.6-2.3   .278	3.6-4.4	  .829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
March	     32.1	6.7-16.2   .415	 0.9-3.3   .268	5.1-6.5	  .782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3	13.0-26.0  .500	 2.3-5.0   .467	5.3-7.0	  .762	8.3	2.7	0.7	1.0	3.3	2.7	33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

Woodson improved the defense but it looks like it's going to take some time for you to come along....I'll leave this with you...Melo is playing better, Amare was playing better, JR is playing better, Chandler is playing better, Shump is playing better, but it's not the coach..OK...MDA's emphasis was on offense, This coach will bench you if you play no defense, big difference...Your argument is flawed putting this all on Melo....Take your time...Ur missing a heck of a ride tho...

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.

DATE	     MIN	FGM-FGA	   FG%	 3PM-3PA   3P%	FTM-FTA	  FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
January	     35.6	8.3-21.1   .393	 1.4-4.4   .311	5.4-6.8	  .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
February     31.5	6.1-15.4   .398	 0.6-2.3   .278	3.6-4.4	  .829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
March	     32.1	6.7-16.2   .415	 0.9-3.3   .268	5.1-6.5	  .782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3	13.0-26.0  .500	 2.3-5.0   .467	5.3-7.0	  .762	8.3	2.7	0.7	1.0	3.3	2.7	33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

Woodson improved the defense but it looks like it's going to take some time for you to come along....I'll leave this with you...Melo is playing better, Amare was playing better, JR is playing better, Chandler is playing better, Shump is playing better, but it's not the coach..OK...MDA's emphasis was on offense, This coach will bench you if you play no defense, big difference...Your argument is flawed putting this all on Melo....Take your time...Ur missing a heck of a ride tho...

I'm not missing anything. It's only you guys that seem to think that i'm somehow linked to MDA over the team. That's you guys spin on this and it has no base in reality. I simply hate all this revisionist history where players are only now playing well or only now defending. I have tons of stats on my side that verify what i'm saying. Shump is growing as a player as you'd expect with more and more experience. Chandler was thriving under MDA just as well. Jared, Lin Novak etc. all did well under MDA too. Only in your perception have the players on this team only played well under Woody.

The thing that many of you aren't acknowledging is the single biggest change has been Melo himself. Unprompted by any coaching session or change in philosophy on day one of MDA's resignation Melo changed his effort level tremendously. Yes Woody has done a good job, but he's also getting the full cooperation of the teams best player. I guarantee you that if Melo had not changed his effort level as he himself stated, that Woody would not be enjoying so much success. If Melo had been dogging it like he was, Woody would not be winning like this and it had nothing to do with anything Woody has done, that change came before Woody so much as blew a whistle in practice or made a single change to the teams offense or Defense.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.

DATE	     MIN	FGM-FGA	   FG%	 3PM-3PA   3P%	FTM-FTA	  FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
January	     35.6	8.3-21.1   .393	 1.4-4.4   .311	5.4-6.8	  .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
February     31.5	6.1-15.4   .398	 0.6-2.3   .278	3.6-4.4	  .829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
March	     32.1	6.7-16.2   .415	 0.9-3.3   .268	5.1-6.5	  .782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3	13.0-26.0  .500	 2.3-5.0   .467	5.3-7.0	  .762	8.3	2.7	0.7	1.0	3.3	2.7	33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

Woodson improved the defense but it looks like it's going to take some time for you to come along....I'll leave this with you...Melo is playing better, Amare was playing better, JR is playing better, Chandler is playing better, Shump is playing better, but it's not the coach..OK...MDA's emphasis was on offense, This coach will bench you if you play no defense, big difference...Your argument is flawed putting this all on Melo....Take your time...Ur missing a heck of a ride tho...

I'm not missing anything. It's only you guys that seem to think that i'm somehow linked to MDA over the team. That's you guys spin on this and it has no base in reality. I simply hate all this revisionist history where players are only now playing well or only now defending. I have tons of stats on my side that verify what i'm saying. Shump is growing as a player as you'd expect with more and more experience. Chandler was thriving under MDA just as well. Jared, Lin Novak etc. all did well under MDA too. Only in your perception have the players on this team only played well under Woody.

The thing that many of you aren't acknowledging is the single biggest change has been Melo himself. Unprompted by any coaching session or change in philosophy on day one of MDA's resignation Melo changed his effort level tremendously. Yes Woody has done a good job, but he's also getting the full cooperation of the teams best player. I guarantee you that if Melo had not changed his effort level as he himself stated, that Woody would not be enjoying so much success. If Melo had been dogging it like he was, Woody would not be winning like this and it had nothing to do with anything Woody has done, that change came before Woody so much as blew a whistle in practice or made a single change to the teams offense or Defense.

It's not rocket science, STAT too...MDA mistake was not running the offense thru his stars...It was an idiotic move...U won't get all out effort whether it's intentional or not...U can't take the ball out of Melo hands and Amare hands and tell them balls to the wall...Doesn't work that way..Thats why Joe Johnson left PHX, he knew he could be bigger and better than what MDA's limited role have to offer...MDA wants his PG to be the star..Melo and STAT are much better players than Lin, They won't buy in after being absolute studs in this league, it's not rocket science....

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.

DATE	     MIN	FGM-FGA	   FG%	 3PM-3PA   3P%	FTM-FTA	  FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
January	     35.6	8.3-21.1   .393	 1.4-4.4   .311	5.4-6.8	  .789	6.7	4.6	0.4	1.3	2.4	3.4	23.3
February     31.5	6.1-15.4   .398	 0.6-2.3   .278	3.6-4.4	  .829	4.0	3.4	0.5	0.8	2.4	2.1	16.5
March	     32.1	6.7-16.2   .415	 0.9-3.3   .268	5.1-6.5	  .782	6.3	3.0	0.5	1.3	3.0	2.3	19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3	13.0-26.0  .500	 2.3-5.0   .467	5.3-7.0	  .762	8.3	2.7	0.7	1.0	3.3	2.7	33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

Woodson improved the defense but it looks like it's going to take some time for you to come along....I'll leave this with you...Melo is playing better, Amare was playing better, JR is playing better, Chandler is playing better, Shump is playing better, but it's not the coach..OK...MDA's emphasis was on offense, This coach will bench you if you play no defense, big difference...Your argument is flawed putting this all on Melo....Take your time...Ur missing a heck of a ride tho...

I'm not missing anything. It's only you guys that seem to think that i'm somehow linked to MDA over the team. That's you guys spin on this and it has no base in reality. I simply hate all this revisionist history where players are only now playing well or only now defending. I have tons of stats on my side that verify what i'm saying. Shump is growing as a player as you'd expect with more and more experience. Chandler was thriving under MDA just as well. Jared, Lin Novak etc. all did well under MDA too. Only in your perception have the players on this team only played well under Woody.

The thing that many of you aren't acknowledging is the single biggest change has been Melo himself. Unprompted by any coaching session or change in philosophy on day one of MDA's resignation Melo changed his effort level tremendously. Yes Woody has done a good job, but he's also getting the full cooperation of the teams best player. I guarantee you that if Melo had not changed his effort level as he himself stated, that Woody would not be enjoying so much success. If Melo had been dogging it like he was, Woody would not be winning like this and it had nothing to do with anything Woody has done, that change came before Woody so much as blew a whistle in practice or made a single change to the teams offense or Defense.

It's not rocket science, STAT too...MDA mistake was not running the offense thru his stars...It was an idiotic move...U won't get all out effort whether it's intentional or not...U can't take the ball out of Melo hands and Amare hands and tell them balls to the wall...Doesn't work that way..Thats why Joe Johnson left PHX, he knew he could be bigger and better than what MDA's limited role have to offer...MDA wants his PG to be the star..Melo and STAT are much better players than Lin, They won't buy in after being absolute studs in this league, it's not rocket science....

STAT never had a higher usage rate than under MDA so what are you talking about? Melo's shot attempts were at their highest ever under MDA last year and this year he dropped 1.9 from last year, which is understandable considering his awful shooting %'s this year. Don't let this recent upsurge fool you into thinking Melo was being stifled.

How many shots was Amare getting per game after Linsanity???

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

without Tyson in the game there would be no need to drain no threes. We would have been blown out by 20+.

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ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

without Tyson in the game there would be no need to drain no threes. We would have been blown out by 20+.

Okay, so after Tyson volleyball taps it out, how do you tie the game in regulation? After Tyson taps it out, how do you win the game in OT? Still waiting for the answer to this.

Silverfuel wrote:

loweyecue wrote:R

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

without Tyson in the game there would be no need to drain no threes. We would have been blown out by 20+.

Without Melo, Tyson's impact night in and out would be useless. Tyson Chandler is a role player, Melo is a franchise player.