Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:" I looked up win shares and didn't see anywhere that 3 point buckets are treated like home runs in baseball."

This poster never said that. I said that baseball has a value system that you can assign weights more easily to for an equation like W/S to convey exactly what plays and players are and can contribute to "winning" you games. Because 4bases/homerun being the top and an out being the bottom.

Steve Novack was being dubbed the best of our three forwards, while coming in last in any stat that didn't involved 3point shooting. One aspect of his game completely distorted his W/S, as if he was achieving the a play that held the highest weight of the equation. There is no Home Run in basketball, and that was my point.

Actually, it's the exact opposite. David Berri discusses the matter in his book "Stumbling on Wins." Basketball stats are much less team-dependent and much more stable over time, including when players change teams, than baseball stats are. You can explain much more variance in wins (that is, obtain a much more valid formula) using a regression equation with the right weighting in basketball than in baseball.

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:" I looked up win shares and didn't see anywhere that 3 point buckets are treated like home runs in baseball."

This poster never said that. I said that baseball has a value system that you can assign weights more easily to for an equation like W/S to convey exactly what plays and players are and can contribute to "winning" you games. Because 4bases/homerun being the top and an out being the bottom.

Steve Novack was being dubbed the best of our three forwards, while coming in last in any stat that didn't involved 3point shooting. One aspect of his game completely distorted his W/S, as if he was achieving the a play that held the highest weight of the equation. There is no Home Run in basketball, and that was my point.

Actually, it's the exact opposite. David Berri discusses the matter in his book "Stumbling on Wins." Basketball stats are much less team-dependent and much more stable over time, including when players change teams, than baseball stats are. You can explain much more variance in wins (that is, obtain a much more valid formula) using a regression equation with the right weighting in basketball than in baseball.

Well it was in a book, so I guess im at ease...........

loweyecue wrote:

Anji wrote:The fact that Novack was last of the three players in any stat that his 3pt shooting didn't influence.

Not fact at all. Novak was ahead of the others by a mile and a half on plus minus as well.
Also the defensive rating was only 2 PTA per 100 possessions different. That leaves assists and Offensive Rebs and TOs. Novak's role does not include being a distributor so assists and TOs are not useful parameters for comparison. Melo is the better rebounder Novak the better shooter. Tou have not disproved anything.

He was last in any stat that didn't involve Three point shooting, doesn't matter if it is his game or not, or if it was only by tenths of a point. How does that not prove that anything, his 3 point shooting clearly warps his W/s.

The fact that Novack is last of Amare and Melo in anything that doesn't involve 3point shooting and can be claimed to the best is my problem. Taking the stat that he has distorted as a counter point does nothing for me when it's obviously I'm pointing his three point shooting warps his value.

holfresh wrote:How was Melo's shooting location for that game?..Good eh????

That kind of post invites guys from ''the other side'' to post back next time Melo has a bad game.

Time to grow up?

raven wrote:

holfresh wrote:How was Melo's shooting location for that game?..Good eh????

That kind of post invites guys from ''the other side'' to post back next time Melo has a bad game.

Time to grow up?

Time to grow up..wow....haven't heard that in quite some time...

By the way, this is a message board where there is different free floating ideas and opinions...Makes it more interesting won't you say???

holfresh wrote:

raven wrote:

holfresh wrote:How was Melo's shooting location for that game?..Good eh????

That kind of post invites guys from ''the other side'' to post back next time Melo has a bad game.

Time to grow up?

Time to grow up..wow....haven't heard that in quite some time...

By the way, this is a message board where there is different free floating ideas and opinions...Makes it more interesting won't you say???

Define ''interesting''.

I just said that since the last month or so has been pretty bad from a discussion standpoint, nothing apart the ''us against them'' kind of topic.

Melo has a good game, supporters show up and brag about it. Melo has a bad game? The other do the same, while the supporters duck it out, waiting for the next good game to post something.

Is that what you find interesting?

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:At the rim: 61.5%
3 to 9 feet: 20.8% (not a typo)
10 to 15 feet: 39.8%
16 to 23 feet: 31.0%
3 pointers: 29.1% (or an effective FG% of 44.1)

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Carmelo%20Anthony

Bonn, just wanted to say that Melo has fewer than 50 attempts in some of these categories. aka the same amount of clutch shots he has attempted... so you are terribly inconsistent as a basketball scientist. license revoked!