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Syniko
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3/29/2012  2:45 PM
If this Trayvon is really just a troublemaker, should we continue to encourage this sort of behaviors by every other kids? Should we cry foul and racism when a non-black shoots a black? what about when a non-black gets shot by a black person, I never see any outcry for it. All I'm saying is you have to have it both ways, not one way. By making it a race issue, we will never rid society of racism. Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, Al Sharpton and the Black Panther aren't doing anything to progress racial harmony by acting like rabid hounds. The men who stands at the podium and shot the loudest are doing it because not out of humilities, but because these tragedies helps line their pockets. It empowers them. They are empowered through the suffering of their fellow man.

I have never heard a single thing that comes out of Jesse Jackson's mouth that makes any bit of sense. That man is intoxicated with prolonging civil unrest in our nation. He, along with Rush Limbaugh loves to kick the Hornets nest.

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3/30/2012  12:11 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Shame on Spike!

He tweeted what he thought was Zimmermans address and was wrong. The elderly couple who lives there has been under threat.

If someone fire bombed the elderly couple blood would be on Spikes hands! Might not be his intent but that would have been the net effect.

I hope we get the truth over time.

Spike Lee == "HUGE RACIST"!!

Take that back. The man is wrong tweeting/linking the address of innocent folks, but he's definitely not a racist. Go watch his films, especially Do The Right Thing and come back apologize to Mr. Lee. I hope we get the truth soon too. The death needs to be justified.

Get busy living or get busy dying. ---- Andy Dufresne
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3/30/2012  12:23 PM
Syniko wrote:If this Trayvon is really just a troublemaker, should we continue to encourage this sort of behaviors by every other kids?


Sigh...I dont even know where to begin because your ignorance is truly astounding. But just for kicks lets take your premise & analyze it, lets say that Trayvon is a 17yo "troublemaker" (i'm just going to assume that that's a synonym for "black" in your twisted world view) & let's assume that he's had a beer or two as an underage minor or even further assume that he's gone as far as having a puff on a joint. Does any of this invalidate the fact that he has a legal right to be walking the streets to go visit a family member in a free America??? Does his posting pics to Facebook, Twitter or any other social media platform deny him freedom of movement??? Does he not have the legal right in Florida to "Stand His Ground" & fight back when a man who is not a police officer stalks & then chases him??? I don't understand why the yahoos on the right are launching this persistent assault on this young man's character as if anything in his past means a goddamn thing when he was murdered in broad daylight by a man with no legal authority to be questioning him about a goddamn thing other than "hey buddy do you have the time?" or "Do you know where the closest 7-11 is?"

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3/30/2012  4:42 PM
This situation is sad indeed a young life taken, another lost and a nation is tossed
back and forth spinning into a quagmire of polarized dissension, taking sides on the justice
of injustice and dusting off the volumes of collision that sit on the shelves of history...
who always repeats himself.

Too often people are tried in the court of public opinion. This has always been true.

In our digital/disinformation age, of social media, it is especially so today.
Information travels to fast, and everyone has an opinion, and an outlet to freely disseminate their ideas- at fiber optic speeds for some.

Opinions based on history, ethnicity, nationality, race, religion, socio-economics, and our point of view gut reactions are easily swayed and manipulated by the media and rumor mill. Many times once we hear what we want to hear to confirm what we identify with, we'll run with it, tell others and stir the pot, often based on the subjective variables that make up our personal points of view. I just have to issue this warning: IF you allow yourself to be disinformed, the media makes ***es of the masses.

I've been researching this case because i'm digging for reliable sources of information, as is my nature, that is, if they exist.I had to listen to 6 versions of the 911 CAll from Zimmerman before I found one where you can clearly hear him say "F%$&ing C%$&s," under his breath. That comment, may be enough to make this a hate crime considering the tragic outcome. We shall see. I think the audio clearly makes a case that Zimmerman spewed some racial venom. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Time will tell. On the flip side, to be fair, there is a "witness" who says he saw Trayvon pummeling Zimmerman, who reportedly suffered a broken nose and gash to back of his head during the altercation, and it was Zimmerman crying for help. There is also audio (2nd link) on Wikipedia of a 911 call, where you can hear someone (either of them) calling for help, then you hear the shot. All the evidence and more will come out when and IF this case ever goes to trial.

Racial slur audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNI5CA5jijw

Wiki link w/audio links to 911 calls: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin (listen to 3rd audio link)


Here is an interesting example of how the media discusses what pictures to use and how images influence the story:

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/168391/the-iconic-photos-of-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-why-you-may-not-see-the-others/

You know the old cliche, a picture is worth a thousand words, that being said, George Zimmermans picture is of a convict and his words are a derogatory slur.

So what is the TRUTH? I always try to be objective. My reaction to "racist white guy murders unarmed hoodie wearing black youth" was appall, and I wore my hoodie in solidarity for justice. Justice in a world where I've been privy to a legal system that has historically been imperfect and manipulated by the powerful. Justice should be for ALL regardless of race and socio-economic means. The system isn't always right, but it isn't always wrong either. If you have a good lawyer, your chances are better.

That being said, I hope there is justice here, instead of "Just Us" (the disenfranchised, poor and minorities) dead and in prison.

To be crystal CLEAR. I don't support Zimmermans actions. Trayvon Martins death is a tragedy that has had a negative affect on his family, Zimmerman, and his family, the nation, and ME.

The ensuing facts of Trayvon Martin’s death remain uncertain. Trayvon Martin is dead (RIP). George Zimmerman is alive (but not well), veiled by the Florida "stand your ground" law which has somehow entitled him to use deadly force in "self-defense," against an unarmed youth. Zimmerman is runnig, and hiding-Protected by the Florida law, but I wouldn't call him free. IMO, if he wasn't hiding, he'd probably be dead too, as "the chickens would come home to roost."

I'm NOT advocating vigilantism. It's interesting though, that if you take a look at the word "Vigilante," it's etomology is rooted in the spanish word "Watchful" or latin "to be watchful." By definition, you can make the argument that Zimmerman was a strapped vigilante on the night of the incident. What is really curious is the image in the Thesaurus section of the link below:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vigilante

Did you see it?

Let face it, the public outcry is that strong, on both sides, that a history of wrongs would obscure what is right. There IS a bounty on that Zimmermans head. At the very least, he should be in police custody or in a cell awaiting trial. That he is not, is a main issue of concern for most people. Sadly, I'm not that surprised. Afterall, this is the "dirty" south. If they were able to steal a presidential election...well, i digress.


We live in a polarized, xenophobic "black" and "white" world.

When you're multiethnic, you're sometimes ostracized by these default categories (B&W). Left to oftentimes receive prejudice and vitriol from both groups and in my case, choosing neither, yet coexisting, accepting and relating to both and all the voiceless "others". You see, my world is NOT black or white. I live in a Technicolor world, exposed to the views and hues that I readily receive and learn from, without ever losing touch of my own identity or sight of who I am.

Multiculturalism, is what makes America beautiful.

RIP, Trayvon Martin! You've passed on to, I hope, a much better place, to be with the MOST High God.


ish is STILL f$%&ed up down here YO !

I have a new name for my beloved Brickerbockers, the "Apple turnovers"
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4/4/2012  5:34 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news-regrets-editing-trayvon-shooting-call-220720073.html

This story just shows what kind of sick country we live in:

(Reuters) - NBC News apologized on Tuesday for the way it edited a broadcast of a conversation between George Zimmerman and a police dispatcher before teenager Trayvon Martin was killed by Zimmerman.

Last week Fox News did a report in which it presented "before" and "after" versions of the call. NBC had broadcast the edited exchange on its flagship "Today" morning show.

NBC News launched an investigation after the Fox report.

"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers."

The February 26 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin by Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch captain who said he acted in self-defense, has drawn international attention. The incident occurred in Sanford, Florida.

The Fox News report can be viewed on the website of the News Corp unit.

The "Today" show's segment ran as:

"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

The full conversation ran as:

"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy - is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black."

NBC News is owned by NBC Universal, a unit of Comcast Corp.

(Reporting By Yinka Adegoke; Editing by Richard Chang)

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4/4/2012  8:28 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news-regrets-editing-trayvon-shooting-call-220720073.html

This story just shows what kind of sick country we live in:

(Reuters) - NBC News apologized on Tuesday for the way it edited a broadcast of a conversation between George Zimmerman and a police dispatcher before teenager Trayvon Martin was killed by Zimmerman.

Last week Fox News did a report in which it presented "before" and "after" versions of the call. NBC had broadcast the edited exchange on its flagship "Today" morning show.

NBC News launched an investigation after the Fox report.

"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret," NBC News representative Lauren Kapp said in a statement on Tuesday, in response to a query by Reuters. "We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers."

The February 26 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin by Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch captain who said he acted in self-defense, has drawn international attention. The incident occurred in Sanford, Florida.

The Fox News report can be viewed on the website of the News Corp unit.

The "Today" show's segment ran as:

"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

The full conversation ran as:

"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy - is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black."

NBC News is owned by NBC Universal, a unit of Comcast Corp.

(Reporting By Yinka Adegoke; Editing by Richard Chang)

Priceless. At least the commercials sold better. Hopefully more people signed up for cable.

Another dead person.

Next.

Nalod
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4/4/2012  9:40 AM
Now Fox is the watchdog for truthful reporting?
mrKnickShot
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4/4/2012  2:29 PM
Nalod wrote:Now Fox is the watchdog for truthful reporting?

Yeah. Sometimes the messenger is also a dick but it was still a good find/story.

Syniko
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4/4/2012  3:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2012  3:51 PM
ActionJackson wrote:
Syniko wrote:If this Trayvon is really just a troublemaker, should we continue to encourage this sort of behaviors by every other kids?


Sigh...I dont even know where to begin because your ignorance is truly astounding. But just for kicks lets take your premise & analyze it, lets say that Trayvon is a 17yo "troublemaker" (i'm just going to assume that that's a synonym for "black" in your twisted world view) & let's assume that he's had a beer or two as an underage minor or even further assume that he's gone as far as having a puff on a joint. Does any of this invalidate the fact that he has a legal right to be walking the streets to go visit a family member in a free America??? Does his posting pics to Facebook, Twitter or any other social media platform deny him freedom of movement??? Does he not have the legal right in Florida to "Stand His Ground" & fight back when a man who is not a police officer stalks & then chases him??? I don't understand why the yahoos on the right are launching this persistent assault on this young man's character as if anything in his past means a goddamn thing when he was murdered in broad daylight by a man with no legal authority to be questioning him about a goddamn thing other than "hey buddy do you have the time?" or "Do you know where the closest 7-11 is?"


Umm, I didn't say anything about black, I said something about "TROUBLEMAKER" there is a difference between a troublemaker and the color of someone's skin but of course, you're taking the race angle and pulling the race card. This is exactly why will never overcome racism when certain groups of people cannot have a conversation without bringing up race.

And you're already accusing me of being ignorant when I am one one of the biggest supporter of multiculturalism in America, and the world abroad.

So stop it. Stop typing, stop trying to argue. You pulled the race card on me, I'm done with you. I don't get into debates with people who immediately pulls out the race card.

Can't we all just agree on it that Zimmerman shot a kid because Zimmerman thinks he's robocop???? if Zimmerman shot an Asian kid, I don't think blacks would rise up and demand Zimmerman's arrest. By making this a race issue, that is in turn, reverse racism.

Plenty of hate crime out there that goes without noticed. It doesn't make Trayvon's case any more or less tragic.

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4/4/2012  4:47 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Gymkata wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:For once Lebron was about somebody more than himself, so we applaud that.

Such a strange and unfortunate case. Hate crime, or over zealous reaction from a neighborhood guy trying to move up the ranks of Law enforcement? Who knows.

The guy, George Zimmerman, is a Latino (Peruvian) guy too. He's also half white on his Military father's side, which could lead to a whole other discussion.

from what I read, this isn't a hate crime. It's some 28 year old idiot who is a wannabe cop. Apparently he phoned stuff into the station regularly. So his fantasy of being a cop likely kept escalating. Maybe his prejudices played into the incident but I don't think he's a card-carrying member of the KKK

The guy's actually Hispanic.

I read up on some the Stand Your Ground Law. Sounds like, at least, he should get nailed with a manslaughter charge.

I do find it interesting that the agressor's family rushed to the media to say that "he's hispanic" as a defense against racism. Whites aren't the only racists

As for the manslaughter charges, I would be interested to hear more

Racism spans all colors, creeds, age groups etc. you are right, it is not exclusively a white issue, it is a human issue.

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