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nixluva
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3/8/2012  9:29 PM
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nixluva wrote:To be fair I think it's gonna take more time for all of them to work this out and find some kind of balance. I actually believe that this team is gonna figure it out. They have way too much talent and upside not to eventually figure out what to do. The 1st thing will be to get the Defense back. They've lost the chemistry on D and they must get that back. We need to get Tyson and Jared healthy. With 28 games to go there is ample time to get it going and be peaking by the playoffs. 2 full months is more than enough time.

don't you find it the least bit concerning that the team has shown no improvement since the post all-star break "mini-camp" they supposedly ran?

Yes, I was shocked, but also I think Tyson not being himself has hurt a lot. He used to be a big part of what we do and a security blanket for Lin. Now that Tyson can't catch the ball they've gone away from him and it's been an ISO fest, which i'm sure wasn't the plan when they had the camp. We also have to remember that it's been 3 games against 3 tough teams. One game was an OT game. The other 2 we didn't have either Jared or Tyson for part or most of those games.

Gotta figure that MDA was trying to instill ball sharing SSOL type principles. If you notice Melo has looked to pass much less than before. There's less of a usage of Lin and more of a stand around and watch style than we had when we were winning, but I can't imagine that this is what MDA wants. We all know MDA wants ball and player movement. We've stopped running PnR!!! When is that ever the plan for MDA?

If we had a healthy Tyson and Jared I think we beat the Mavs. I think our D was playing at a high level and will return once we get those guys back healthy. This is sad to see but we really have had some awful timing with Tyson and Jared hurting right now. They're clearly the backbone of the D.
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3/8/2012  9:32 PM
I am not enamored with D'Antoni or Carmelo. I do think that the coach leaves before the star player. I also think that during the 4 years D'Antoni has been in NY he should be judged on more than his record for the 54 games Felton was in NY and the 9 games Lin played the point without Melo in the line up. That being said, if getting rid of Melo brought back Linsanity I would sign up in a second. I also think Dolan is a very stubborn man and he was a big part of the Melo trade. I don't think he is the type to admit he was wrong and I get the impression that instead he will stubbornly attempt to persist to prove he is right no matter how bad things get.
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3/8/2012  10:00 PM
Well we have to focus on maximizing what this team can do as constructed. I doubt that there will be any deal where we solve our problems by moving someone. The coach is locked in for the remainder of the season as well. IMO we simply must get back to solid defensive BB. That's what had us winning more than anything. Sure Linsanity was great, but it was the suffocating D this team played at times that was key. We had a more defensive rotation and now we've gone away from that, as was expected once we reintroduced STAT and Melo.

On the offensive side, they've got to find a balance between the TEAM and how Melo wants to play. Sad that we should even be talking about that, but he's not going anywhere. We need Melo to be effective and involved. At the same time the TEAM needs to play SSOL and share the ball the way they had been. We need an aggressive Lin and not Lin as the guy who brings the ball up and just hands it to Melo.
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3/8/2012  10:34 PM
Anji wrote:*Looks at schedule*


Glad this is the last time we play anything close Celtics, Mavs and Spurs on the road.

All the Vaginal bleeding about Dolan, Nuggets and Melo is real killing my eyes.

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3/8/2012  10:36 PM
nixluva wrote:Well we have to focus on maximizing what this team can do as constructed. I doubt that there will be any deal where we solve our problems by moving someone. The coach is locked in for the remainder of the season as well. IMO we simply must get back to solid defensive BB. That's what had us winning more than anything. Sure Linsanity was great, but it was the suffocating D this team played at times that was key. We had a more defensive rotation and now we've gone away from that, as was expected once we reintroduced STAT and Melo.

On the offensive side, they've got to find a balance between the TEAM and how Melo wants to play. Sad that we should even be talking about that, but he's not going anywhere. We need Melo to be effective and involved. At the same time the TEAM needs to play SSOL and share the ball the way they had been. We need an aggressive Lin and not Lin as the guy who brings the ball up and just hands it to Melo.

Well said
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3/8/2012  10:37 PM
nixluva wrote:Well we have to focus on maximizing what this team can do as constructed. I doubt that there will be any deal where we solve our problems by moving someone. The coach is locked in for the remainder of the season as well. IMO we simply must get back to solid defensive BB. That's what had us winning more than anything. Sure Linsanity was great, but it was the suffocating D this team played at times that was key. We had a more defensive rotation and now we've gone away from that, as was expected once we reintroduced STAT and Melo.

On the offensive side, they've got to find a balance between the TEAM and how Melo wants to play. Sad that we should even be talking about that, but he's not going anywhere. We need Melo to be effective and involved. At the same time the TEAM needs to play SSOL and share the ball the way they had been. We need an aggressive Lin and not Lin as the guy who brings the ball up and just hands it to Melo.

SSOL haven't seen it yet this year.
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3/8/2012  11:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2012  11:32 PM
"Higher seed" is like "faster sperm", right? I suppose it's human nature to want to spin a narrative, but is it the right one? Evil Melo returns, and Linsanity ends, so... It must be Starmelo's fault. or "Nice kid, but dumb as a rock..." so dumb he undermines linsanity.

Hey, I enjoyed Linsanity. I hope it comes back, but... Hell, even Larry Brown had a six game winning streak the year he was here... When he was playing guys based on what town the team was in.

My fervent hope is that Nalod is right and that we can continue to see Knicks dysfunction because, although I was happy for the Knicks when they were linsane, it didn't leave much for me to do. Let's face it - a successful franchinse doesn't provide a lot of material for BasketballJones. BasketballJones needs a dysfunctional franchise. So, that small part of me that is still a basketball fan can go for some linsanity, but that part of me that lives for snark will be very happy indeed. Can we bring back Cap'n Zeke already?

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3/8/2012  11:41 PM
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..

Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!

I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.

On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.

Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...

Your pissing in the wind Bro. All of your points are valid, but it doesn't make a difference because most on this board had their minds made up about Melo as soon as the boards favorite son, Gallo was traded for him.

Melo can easily win over the fans. Just give us reasons to!

This season is not about anything Knuggs. I love this team on paper.

I think since Baron has been playing the team is not in synch. This should not be.

Its complex, and its not all on MElo. He is the face of the team. I guess thats not fair, but its what he wanted.
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3/9/2012  12:12 AM
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nixluva wrote:Well we have to focus on maximizing what this team can do as constructed. I doubt that there will be any deal where we solve our problems by moving someone. The coach is locked in for the remainder of the season as well. IMO we simply must get back to solid defensive BB. That's what had us winning more than anything. Sure Linsanity was great, but it was the suffocating D this team played at times that was key. We had a more defensive rotation and now we've gone away from that, as was expected once we reintroduced STAT and Melo.

On the offensive side, they've got to find a balance between the TEAM and how Melo wants to play. Sad that we should even be talking about that, but he's not going anywhere. We need Melo to be effective and involved. At the same time the TEAM needs to play SSOL and share the ball the way they had been. We need an aggressive Lin and not Lin as the guy who brings the ball up and just hands it to Melo.

SSOL haven't seen it yet this year.

Knicks were actually running SSOL when Linsanity was going. Everything ticked up in terms of the way the team was sharing the ball. They didn't always shoot well, but the team was moving and moving the ball.
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3/9/2012  12:55 AM
Nalod wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..

Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!

I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.

On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.

Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...

Your pissing in the wind Bro. All of your points are valid, but it doesn't make a difference because most on this board had their minds made up about Melo as soon as the boards favorite son, Gallo was traded for him.

Melo can easily win over the fans. Just give us reasons to!

This season is not about anything Knuggs. I love this team on paper.

I think since Baron has been playing the team is not in synch. This should not be.

Its complex, and its not all on MElo. He is the face of the team. I guess thats not fair, but its what he wanted.

He can't bring Gallo back..
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3/9/2012  4:58 AM
airchibundo507 wrote:Trading Amare is addition by subtraction. He is the worst defender receiving significant minutes in basketball. Our defense during Linsanity was so much better than now? Is that really because Billy Bob Walker is a better defender than Melo? Could he hold Richard Jefferson to a worse performance than the 0-5 FG Jefferson shot last night against Melo?

Melo is a good man defender. His help defense could use some work, but he is far from the problem on defense. Amare might be the best pnr finisher in the league (coming into this season), but he is also most definitely the worst pnr big on defense I have ever seen in my life. The Spurs commentators were laughing at him, dissecting his putrid pnr defense in replays. Any pnr competent team will expose Amare on a nightly basis.

Lin
JR
Melo
Harrelson
Chandler

Defense, rebounding, outside shooting, spacing... that line-up works.

I believe Spurs TV analyst Sean Elliott said of Amare: "No. 1 for the Knicks may as well be a mannequin."

Amare was horrendous on defense all night, and the Spurs announcers were all over him.
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3/9/2012  5:19 AM
The Knicks won't say it out loud but u just know the coaches are talking about how awful Amare has been on D!!! The Spurs were replacing and diagramming the lack of D by Amare!!! It's hard enough to slow Parker down but if you get no help at all it's impossible.

I'm hoping and praying for good health for Tyson and Jared!!! We must have those guys to have a chance to win.
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3/9/2012  8:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2012  8:02 AM
holfresh wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Uptown wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..

Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!

I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.

On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.

Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...

Your pissing in the wind Bro. All of your points are valid, but it doesn't make a difference because most on this board had their minds made up about Melo as soon as the boards favorite son, Gallo was traded for him.

Melo can easily win over the fans. Just give us reasons to!

This season is not about anything Knuggs. I love this team on paper.

I think since Baron has been playing the team is not in synch. This should not be.

Its complex, and its not all on MElo. He is the face of the team. I guess thats not fair, but its what he wanted.

He can't bring Gallo back..

He doesn't have to, we just want Melo to play like superstarts do, which by the way, apart from a few games, here and there, he has done it this ENTIRE SEASON.
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