Bippity10 wrote:

Anji wrote:Like I said, I don't like the coach so I tend to believe in other reasons than his ablitiy to coach are the reason for the defensive.

I was going to post a thread about who took over MDA's body because the team defensively are doing great things like not switching on every single screen or pick, extending atleast to 25-30 feet out pretty much all game and traping like crazy. We've had the personal to do that pretty much since christmas when JJ2 came back. So am to believe that Lin is the reason for this, that players had their meet of the minds and decided to change??? Or maybe Woodson has had enough time to get to MDA or maybe Mike'D is seeing the light???

Who knows, but I tend to believe it is coming from some where that isn't Mike'D.

D'Antoni and Woodson are not competing against each other or forcing another t see the light. They are working together to maximize the the abilities of the team. We are not Carmelo Anthony. We are not Mike D'antoni. What Lin has shown us is that we are a team. With the improve defense, along with our offense we are seeing that we are a coaching staff. What we need now is t become a great organization so that we can start winning championships instead of pointing fingers, laying blame and pitting coach against coach, coach against player and coach against front office.

And in the process maybe we can lose some "fans" who can't get themsleves to do anything else.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Lets see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs. Lin's presence alone shouldn't dictate whether or not D'Antoni stays. It should also be determined by how he matches up against other coaches, especially in the playoffs. Ive seen him outcoached too many times since coming here.

Nothing wrong with taking a wait and see attitude, especially with a shortened season.

Actually, it does. The team, if you listen to them, are all behind MDA. This is a real bonafide team that loves each other. You don't break this team apart. Right now, we only need a backup PG. I would not even get rid of Bibby since I am afraid that you might wreck the chemistry the have developed. You gotta ride this wave and see where it takes us. This is more than once in a lifetime thing that is occurring. This has never happened before.

I mean, I am watching SportsCenter right now and they were doing the Peyton Manning piece and at the end they had Antonio Pierce and the other NFL anaylist chiming in on Linsanity. NBA TV was interviewing LeDouche and Wade and asked them about Jeremy Lin. Wow...just WOW.

To me that would be like making an important decision on a sugar high. If D'antoni gets outcoached in the playoffs and the Knicks make an early exit, all the good feelings in the world won't matter. I agree we should ride this wave this season and see where it takes us, if we end up smashed against the rocks because the coaching wasn't up to par then I don't really see the point of extending D'Antoni.

I'm open to D'Antoni's contract being extended, just want to give him an entire season to prove he can take this team to the next level and we won't really know that until the playoffs come around.

didn't you just propose the same type of sugar high decision-making by focusing on a couple set of playoff games?

What other metric would you use to evaluate his performance? I'm evaluating D'Antoni not just on this year's playoffs but last year's where D'Antoni was outcoached, and almost 4 seasons as head coach in NY.

metrics? Situation, growth, what team wants, long term benefits.

All 4 seasons he was out coached? What were your expectations and did he meet, under- or over- perform?

Last year's playoffs? What was the expectation? By all accounts MDA out coached Rivers. Did it equate to wins? No. Should the Knicks have gotten blown out all 4 games, IMHO, yes.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Lets see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs. Lin's presence alone shouldn't dictate whether or not D'Antoni stays. It should also be determined by how he matches up against other coaches, especially in the playoffs. Ive seen him outcoached too many times since coming here.

Nothing wrong with taking a wait and see attitude, especially with a shortened season.

Actually, it does. The team, if you listen to them, are all behind MDA. This is a real bonafide team that loves each other. You don't break this team apart. Right now, we only need a backup PG. I would not even get rid of Bibby since I am afraid that you might wreck the chemistry the have developed. You gotta ride this wave and see where it takes us. This is more than once in a lifetime thing that is occurring. This has never happened before.

I mean, I am watching SportsCenter right now and they were doing the Peyton Manning piece and at the end they had Antonio Pierce and the other NFL anaylist chiming in on Linsanity. NBA TV was interviewing LeDouche and Wade and asked them about Jeremy Lin. Wow...just WOW.

To me that would be like making an important decision on a sugar high. If D'antoni gets outcoached in the playoffs and the Knicks make an early exit, all the good feelings in the world won't matter. I agree we should ride this wave this season and see where it takes us, if we end up smashed against the rocks because the coaching wasn't up to par then I don't really see the point of extending D'Antoni.

I'm open to D'Antoni's contract being extended, just want to give him an entire season to prove he can take this team to the next level and we won't really know that until the playoffs come around.

didn't you just propose the same type of sugar high decision-making by focusing on a couple set of playoff games?

What other metric would you use to evaluate his performance? I'm evaluating D'Antoni not just on this year's playoffs but last year's where D'Antoni was outcoached, and almost 4 seasons as head coach in NY.

metrics? Situation, growth, what team wants, long term benefits.

All 4 seasons he was out coached? What were your expectations and did he meet, under- or over- perform?

Last year's playoffs? What was the expectation? By all accounts MDA out coached Rivers. Did it equate to wins? No. Should the Knicks have gotten blown out all 4 games, IMHO, yes.

I didn't see it this way. Are there any links to any of these accounts of D'Antoni outcoaching Rivers?

why would you need links? Melo + 7 srubs nearly beat KG, RayRay, Pierce, Rondo in one game. Refs took another when Billups went down.

Let me ask you: why didn't Boston blow out Knicks in every game? Cause that would have been my expectation.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think you ride this out and see what happens. There have been a lot of f'ups on D'Antoni's watch. The Knicks have looked great for 6 games but D'Antoni has been here for four years. I am hoping that the streak continues and they get back to .500.

We had two rebuilding years where the team was looking to clear cap. Last year we had a winning record, despite another huge turnover. Think about this. There was a huge turnover to start the year after they cleared cap to make room for STAT and then another big shift when they made the deal for Melo. We have new players this year too. Lin, Tyson, Shump, Jorts, Novak, Bibby, Jordan & Davis are all new. This team needs continuity and for a change that could happen if we keep everyone together for a while.

I think we disagree about how the first two years were handled. I also think we disagree about him being a roster specific coach as Warkentien calls him. I also would not undervalue the impact managements decision to bring in Woodson, Chandler, Shumpert and re-sign Jeffries when looking at the improvement in defense. D'Antoni left his last job and turned down another because he was being asked to emphasize defense more. Has the defense improved absolutely. Has D'Antoni had an epiphany in regards to defense? I don't think so. I do think management set this team up to be able to be a good defensive team regardless of whether D'Antoni was successful in his final year or if the franchise went in a different direction. I think the jury is out in regards to an extension and I personally think the Knicks would be wise to wait and make a decision at the end of the season.

MDA made the final decision to take Shump!!!

MDA is the guy that has been big in bringing Jared back!!! Jared is his guy.

MDA was the guy that liked Lin and wanted to get him along with Glen. It wasn't a case of Glen just making a decision on a player without asking Mike. Glen simple gave Mike what he needed and wanted in a PG that he had liked and had interest in before the draft.

MDA has never be a coach that didn't care about D. This is a lie that has been told cuz it just suited the bias of people that don't like Mike and his style. His teams were never bad defensively until he got here. Only biased fans actually believe that MDA won't play defensive players. He clearly hasn't played Jared for his offense and he picked Shump who was known as a DEFENSIVE player.
MDA isn't Thibs, but he does care about both ends of the court.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think you ride this out and see what happens. There have been a lot of f'ups on D'Antoni's watch. The Knicks have looked great for 6 games but D'Antoni has been here for four years. I am hoping that the streak continues and they get back to .500.

We had two rebuilding years where the team was looking to clear cap. Last year we had a winning record, despite another huge turnover. Think about this. There was a huge turnover to start the year after they cleared cap to make room for STAT and then another big shift when they made the deal for Melo. We have new players this year too. Lin, Tyson, Shump, Jorts, Novak, Bibby, Jordan & Davis are all new. This team needs continuity and for a change that could happen if we keep everyone together for a while.

I think we disagree about how the first two years were handled. I also think we disagree about him being a roster specific coach as Warkentien calls him. I also would not undervalue the impact managements decision to bring in Woodson, Chandler, Shumpert and re-sign Jeffries when looking at the improvement in defense. D'Antoni left his last job and turned down another because he was being asked to emphasize defense more. Has the defense improved absolutely. Has D'Antoni had an epiphany in regards to defense? I don't think so. I do think management set this team up to be able to be a good defensive team regardless of whether D'Antoni was successful in his final year or if the franchise went in a different direction. I think the jury is out in regards to an extension and I personally think the Knicks would be wise to wait and make a decision at the end of the season.

If you hire a coach like MDA, you should care to give him players that fit his style of play. They were going to rebuild the team so why not try to build one based on a system that works? Otherwise why not just hire Mark Jackson? The Knicks wanted what MDA brings to the table.

MDA made the final decision to take Shump!!!

MDA is the guy that has been big in bringing Jared back!!! Jared is his guy.

MDA was the guy that liked Lin and wanted to get him along with Glen. It wasn't a case of Glen just making a decision on a player without asking Mike. Glen simple gave Mike what he needed and wanted in a PG that he had liked and had interest in before the draft.

MDA has never be a coach that didn't care about D. This is a lie that has been told cuz it just suited the bias of people that don't like Mike and his style. His teams were never bad defensively until he got here. Only biased fans actually believe that MDA won't play defensive players. He clearly hasn't played Jared for his offense and he picked Shump who was known as a DEFENSIVE player.
MDA isn't Thibs, but he does care about both ends of the court.

Apparently four years ago he didn't want his employers to tell him he had to.