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Will Anthony make an effort to play within the fluid, unselfish ball movement that Lin has brought again to the offense.
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2/13/2012  11:15 AM
I believe Melo will agree to play within MDA's system when he comes back. When he returns, a bit out of shape, Melo will not want to antagonize the Garden's fans by being a ball stopper. Its not just the fans, but MDA and all of the key ingredients of the Knick's win streak, are sold on unselfish passing being the right way to play. After watching the last 5 games, I would think that Melo too understands that when they are well set up, players like Novak and Shumpert can be counted to score in pressure situations in the fourth quarter.

When Carmelo is back in great shape, he may be tempted to start taking over games again. (When you watched Kobe play in the second half of the recent Knicks/Lakers game, he clearly loved the challenge of being very well guarded and sinking the difficult shot anyway, over and over.) Is Melo willing to settle for a less heroic role with the Knicks, than what he has enjoyed through the rest of his NBA career? Does he have such a strong need to be "the man" that he is not able to give up scoring 25 points a game, night after night? I think he will be tempted to return to the role he had in Denver.

But, ultimately, it seems like the trump card is Jeremy Lin. If Lin refuses to put the ball in Melo's hands when he becomes a "ball stopper, how can Melo score 25 points without the ball? Ultimately, because of the 5 game winning streak, the forces behind unselfish passing far out weigh Melo's need to be a prolific scorer again. Melo may not have any choice other than to stop focusing on his "scoring average" and start focusing on how deep his team will be able to get in the Playoffs. In the end, he will like the results he gets with his new playing philosophy.

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2/13/2012  11:20 AM
That's the thing. How many Knicks game did you actually find enjoyable before Lin played. Maybe Boston and the Kings?

I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

Bringing light to the fact that we have sucked all season and lost to terrible teams is important. Because with a team of undrafted players and castoffs minus Tyson Chandler the Knicks are 5-0 because they moved the ball. Everyone has improved. Fields and Jefferies who everyone wanted to kill earlier in the season have looked tremendous. Novak who couldn't get off the bench is spacing the floor and hitting big shots. Tyson is running harder and playing with more fire. All because Melo isn't stopping the ball. It's a beautiful thing when you run the pick and roll read the defense and attack or hit the open man.

I am not saying Melo can't do it, but if you have the best front line in the NBA and are one of the worst teams in the NBA and you're not smart enough to figure out that you need to pass earlier and stop holding the ball you're selfish.

Lin is humble and hungry. Passion is what motivates people. Melo's antics throwing the hands up, demanding the ball was getting very tired. I only hope that the joy you see in his face on the bench allows him to remember why he plays this game, what it's like to win in this city and how special this team can be with Amare and Chandler running the pick and roll, Melo catching the ball in motion, open in the corner, cutting to the basket.

If he buys in, we get davis healthy to supplement lin and this team plays with the same passion we will be tough to beat.

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2/13/2012  11:21 AM
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2/13/2012  11:30 AM
MS wrote:I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

I think everything sees the first half of the sentence - "everyone is off their rythm" - but perhaps it was because of a different problem: need for a PG who could run the team.

It wasn't only Melo who was doing ISO ball, Amare had his fair share. And when you have TD running the clock out to 5 seconds, what else is there to do but shoot as soon as you get it?

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2/13/2012  11:36 AM
martin wrote:
MS wrote:I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

I think everything sees the first half of the sentence - "everyone is off their rythm" - but perhaps it was because of a different problem: need for a PG who could run the team.

It wasn't only Melo who was doing ISO ball, Amare had his fair share. And when you have TD running the clock out to 5 seconds, what else is there to do but shoot as soon as you get it?


But these same players (Fields, Amare) looked worse when Billups was the PG and Melo was playing.
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2/13/2012  11:37 AM
MS wrote:That's the thing. How many Knicks game did you actually find enjoyable before Lin played. Maybe Boston and the Kings?

I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

Bringing light to the fact that we have sucked all season and lost to terrible teams is important. Because with a team of undrafted players and castoffs minus Tyson Chandler the Knicks are 5-0 because they moved the ball. Everyone has improved. Fields and Jefferies who everyone wanted to kill earlier in the season have looked tremendous. Novak who couldn't get off the bench is spacing the floor and hitting big shots. Tyson is running harder and playing with more fire. All because Melo isn't stopping the ball. It's a beautiful thing when you run the pick and roll read the defense and attack or hit the open man.

I am not saying Melo can't do it, but if you have the best front line in the NBA and are one of the worst teams in the NBA and you're not smart enough to figure out that you need to pass earlier and stop holding the ball you're selfish.

Lin is humble and hungry. Passion is what motivates people. Melo's antics throwing the hands up, demanding the ball was getting very tired. I only hope that the joy you see in his face on the bench allows him to remember why he plays this game, what it's like to win in this city and how special this team can be with Amare and Chandler running the pick and roll, Melo catching the ball in motion, open in the corner, cutting to the basket.

If he buys in, we get davis healthy to supplement lin and this team plays with the same passion we will be tough to beat.


You have an excellent combination of astuteness and bluntness.
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2/13/2012  11:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
MS wrote:I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

I think everything sees the first half of the sentence - "everyone is off their rythm" - but perhaps it was because of a different problem: need for a PG who could run the team.

It wasn't only Melo who was doing ISO ball, Amare had his fair share. And when you have TD running the clock out to 5 seconds, what else is there to do but shoot as soon as you get it?


But these same players (Fields, Amare) looked worse when Billups was the PG and Melo was playing.

IMHO Billups never ran as a pass-first PG. Dude is a scoring PG who can't break his man down. Lacked foot speed. Can run an offense but not as a PnR PG. Looks for his own shot too much.

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2/13/2012  11:45 AM
It's the Santanio Holmes effect. Once one guy makes it about the player instead of the team other players begin to follow. It becomes a "get mine" mentality.

If you're Amare and you take one shot against the Nuggets in almost three quarters or if you're Fields who is moving and cutting and doesn't get the ball or chandler hustling down and you're looked off. Players try to over compensate and begin to do to much instead of playing within themselves.

Offense is a simple thing when everyone buys in and the guys understand their skills. Novak is shooting, Chandler is rebounding and cutting hard, Jefferies is defending, Fields is moving without the ball, Shumpert isn't forcing. Does it help having Lin out there? Tremendously, but you can tell when players make comments about ball movement on this team and when melo was traded guys begin to have fun and winning follows.

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2/13/2012  11:45 AM
martin wrote:
MS wrote:I'm very exciting about this team right now and I think everyone has a reason to be hopeful. But let's not ignore the facts. Landry Fields suffered immensely with Melo, Stoudamire the same, everyone is off their rythm because Melo is only concerned with his game and his shots. He said I maybe shooting too much? Are you ****ing kidding me? If your 10-30 and injured and you're triple teamed and shooting the ball you're shooting too much.

I think everything sees the first half of the sentence - "everyone is off their rythm" - but perhaps it was because of a different problem: need for a PG who could run the team.

It wasn't only Melo who was doing ISO ball, Amare had his fair share. And when you have TD running the clock out to 5 seconds, what else is there to do but shoot as soon as you get it?


LOL, i think you are shining a light on the fact that if you are in the front court........ even the best one in the league, that doesn't make a point guard. Never mind a pass first one.

So breaking news, Carmelo Anthony is not a point guard. It's been confirmed FINALLY!!!!!

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2/13/2012  12:00 PM
Why don't we actually give Melo a chance to play with Lin before we start burying him- he hasn't even played a single full game with him and already the media is awash with claims he can't. Melo has played with Andre Miller and Billups, and both Melo and those PG's played great with each other and won many games.
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2/13/2012  12:05 PM
Did not like the Melo trade. Loved Gallo and I thought we gave up too much. Fast forward to now. I think Melo is going to do really well in this system with Lin. I see Melo getting a lot easy scoring opportunities the way Walker, Novak and Landry are getting. I see the Knicks running a high PnR with either Amare or Tyson and Melo either receiving an open 3 or getting a backdoor pass to the rim when the other team collapses to stop the PnR. I also see MDA implementing PnP (Pick and Pop) situation with Melo at the elbows.

I see both Amare and Melo averaging 20 pts a game. Tyson around 10 pts a game and Jeremy around 20 pts a game. Lin's assists numbers will be around 9.

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2/13/2012  3:47 PM
"Give him the ball, get out the way. Space out [on the floor]." Melo on Lin
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2/13/2012  3:47 PM
Carmelo says he finds talk about him fitting with Lin 'funny' Says, 'Jeremy will have the ball in his hands.'
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2/13/2012  3:48 PM
Melo on Lin: 'I know there’s questions about 'Can I fit in?' and stuff like that, but this is like a dream come true to me.'
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2/13/2012  4:27 PM
Thanks, that's really interesting information.
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2/13/2012  4:35 PM
They Said It

Anthony, who dominated the ball earlier this season as the Knicks desperately searched for a point guard and averages a team-leading 22.3 points, insisted Lin’s emergence can only help him because it will remove the need for him to work the ball up the floor.

“To say, ‘How is it going to work out? Can I fit in?’ It’s easy,” Anthony said. “Give him the ball and space out.”

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2/13/2012  4:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2012  5:04 PM
Sorry, being lazy and not digging through the thread to see if it's already been mentioned...

Didn't realize Melo was the one to pull for Lin in the NJ game.

Lin was eventually sent back to the NBA's hinterlands -- the D-League -- for the fourth time in his career. But he wouldn't stay long. The Knicks brought him back after he logged a triple-double in his first game. Then, on Feb. 4, at halftime of a home game against New Jersey, injured Knicks star Carmelo Anthony suggested to coach Mike D'Antoni that he play Lin more in the second half.

Many would say that is a sign of divine intervention on its own, the team's mega-star going to bat for the guy at the far end of the bench. If that wasn't enough of a revelation, Lin responded by finishing with 25 points and seven assists. He scored 12 points in the fourth quarter to lift the Knicks to victory.

http://www.mercurynews.com/jeremy-lin/ci_19954877

The whole article is a good read nonetheless. At this point, all the concern over Melo fitting in with Lin has moved beyond frustrating to just plain funny.

EDIT: Should have at least checked out the first page...

CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. last night said that his sources told him the reason Lin got increased minutes was because Melo was lobbying hard to get him on the court so that they could play together. This was before Melo's injury.

Sorry Crush.

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2/13/2012  5:13 PM
To me it's all just talk cuz the fans and media don't matter. The only thing that matters is the players and coaches on this team that will be practicing and preparing together out of our sight. I get the sense that this team is very close and that they like each other. I haven't seen any evidence of any of these players being on the outside or hated by the others.
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2/13/2012  7:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2012  7:54 PM
Melo's been saying the right things ever since he got here. It hasn't translated into anything positive on the court though. I don't see any indication that he now understands he needs to stop taking low percentage shots. If he'd said something about that, I'd be more optimistic.
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2/13/2012  7:53 PM
nixluva wrote:To me it's all just talk cuz the fans and media don't matter. The only thing that matters is the players and coaches on this team that will be practicing and preparing together out of our sight. I get the sense that this team is very close and that they like each other. I haven't seen any evidence of any of these players being on the outside or hated by the others.

The only thing that matters is the Ws and Ls.
Will Anthony make an effort to play within the fluid, unselfish ball movement that Lin has brought again to the offense.

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