mrKnickShot wrote:
Just answer the question:

1. Does TD have the green light to shoot 3's? If yes, at the pace that he is shooting them? I believe he has the green light whereas Rondo has the red light
2. Why has TD not been sent to learn his system in the D-League for a few games if he is having such a hard time grasping it (as Berman states)? He can't grasp it and we have him performing the phuck and chuck? You will say that he is getting PT here so why go to the D-League. Lin needed PT. Perhaps but he ain't figuring it out here. Maybe we should D-League him to get his confidence back ... who knows - just don't shoot!

He believes that the system requires the PG to pop from anywhere if he is opened, and, that might work if he had a good PG but not TD. So, can he bend a little and change it up a bit so TD passes up the damn 3? At least sometimes? I understand that it's hard to tell Melo what to do due to his status but TD? That's all I ask for - just a little less rigidity. A little more flexibility.

If Coughlin can soften up a bit MDA can too.

Players have the green light to shoot GOOD shots that come within the flow of the offense. His system is designed to work with very little fuss once you get it down it's almost instinctive, which is why it can be so effective. Just so you know. TD shot 37% from 3 last year and 39% the year before. A coach is going to show patience with a player that has shown he can shoot.

You don't send a vet to the D league!!! IT's not that TD doesn't know the plays, he lacks the talent to execute them. He's not confident in his dribble and doesn't like to operate in traffic. He doesn't have good court vision and isn't accurate with his passes. His main thing is Defense and Scoring.

MDA can tell any of his players what to do. He expresses what he wants them to do all the time. The problems we've had is that some guys simply can't execute. Funny tho how good things look when we have players that can execute. To bad we lost players that proved they could execute. Still it's not over. We'll see what happens the rest of the year.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:
Just answer the question:

1. Does TD have the green light to shoot 3's? If yes, at the pace that he is shooting them? I believe he has the green light whereas Rondo has the red light
2. Why has TD not been sent to learn his system in the D-League for a few games if he is having such a hard time grasping it (as Berman states)? He can't grasp it and we have him performing the phuck and chuck? You will say that he is getting PT here so why go to the D-League. Lin needed PT. Perhaps but he ain't figuring it out here. Maybe we should D-League him to get his confidence back ... who knows - just don't shoot!

He believes that the system requires the PG to pop from anywhere if he is opened, and, that might work if he had a good PG but not TD. So, can he bend a little and change it up a bit so TD passes up the damn 3? At least sometimes? I understand that it's hard to tell Melo what to do due to his status but TD? That's all I ask for - just a little less rigidity. A little more flexibility.

If Coughlin can soften up a bit MDA can too.

Players have the green light to shoot GOOD shots that come within the flow of the offense. His system is designed to work with very little fuss once you get it down it's almost instinctive, which is why it can be so effective. Just so you know. TD shot 37% from 3 last year and 39% the year before. A coach is going to show patience with a player that has shown he can shoot.

You don't send a vet to the D league!!! IT's not that TD doesn't know the plays, he lacks the talent to execute them. He's not confident in his dribble and doesn't like to operate in traffic. He doesn't have good court vision and isn't accurate with his passes. His main thing is Defense and Scoring.

MDA can tell any of his players what to do. He expresses what he wants them to do all the time. The problems we've had is that some guys simply can't execute. Funny tho how good things look when we have players that can execute. To bad we lost players that proved they could execute. Still it's not over. We'll see what happens the rest of the year.

Good points but we are not talking about TD of old. He was a much better player when he was not saddled with the primary PG job. This years TD needs to not shoot and MDA is his Enabler. Because of his "System", he won't adjust and have TD pass up an open 3. That is just wrong - and MDA not willing to adjust can and will hurt him as a coach.

No premium coach - don't care who would allow TD to fire away (if he's open). A 20ish pct 3 pt shooter has the green light? huh? No coach! None. Unless he is trying to prove a point ala Larry Brown - which is just DIRTY (if true).

RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I read the article - does not address the Boston second half decision. Also, it states:

Rookie Iman Shumpert, the current starter, Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby have failed to master D’Antoni’s system. The Knicks view Shumpert as a shooting guard or small forward. Douglas has been a train wreck, and Bibby, who has not played in four straight games, appears shot.

Why did TD not go to the D-League to study MDA's system? Was he better equipt to run the offense? TD leads the knicks in 3 pt attempts at about 25 pct. Did MDA need to allow to keep chucking? NO EXCUSE!! And don't say that he cannot control the players - he controls TD. He just believes that no matter what, if you are open you shoot. From anywhere. I don't agree with that philosophy - If your guy is pissing on the toilet seat you tell him to stop! Rondo can't shoot - is he jacking up 3's? NO!!! He needs to be able to adjust the damn system.

We are splitting hairs cause we both want ultimate success out of this kid but I am just frustrated with some of his stubborn moves.

Don't be silly. You're making silly arguments because this is the same system that produced the most efficient scoring in the league!!! Not just crazy run and gun, but the MOST EFFICIENT OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE! So you want to say that the fault lies with MDA rather than players not running it properly?

Also as for Lin, the article explains that Lin was disappointed in being sent to the D league initially but now realizes it was for the best.

Lin was disappointed the Knicks sent him to the D-League for two games last month. But Lin posted a triple-double at the new D-League affiliate in Erie that runs D’Antoni’s offense. The Knicks brought him back to face Davis in scrimmages on non-practice days, and a funny thing happened — Lin outplayed Davis.

“It was rough for me,’’ Lin said of the D-League demotion. “Looking back, it was exactly what I needed. Inside it gave me confidence just because it was first time I played in Coach D’Antoni’s system. Just to get a feel for it.’’

I'm not just blindly backing up the coach. The man is making smart decisions and NY fans seem incapable of giving him credit for being a good coach. Dude won as a coach in Europe and is a legend. Come here and proves to have a very efficient style of BB. Now here we didn't have a PG that could run the system, but when we did, with Felton things worked at a high level. #2 in scoring and #5 in efficiency!!! MDA gives Lin the best chance to succeed by trying got find a way for him to get reps in this offense despite the lack of practice days and it proves to be a good thing in the words of Lin himself!!! We have a good coach, but people need to stop hating on him.

in all fairness, the reason why Lin is playing is because he finally decided "what the hell, it can't get any worse can it"?
he didn't have the vision that some of us here saw and were patiently waiting for that opportunity.
that opportunity was there, he felt he didn't have ANYONE that could execute it, so he repeats his same lineups, and prays a couple of times, with the SAME RESULT.
I don't understand how you can back him up, you make it seem like its part of his plan, for Lin to come along this way.
Please STOP, he had no faith in Lin, maybe he sees something i don't and I see things that he doesn't, but please don't give Dantoni another excuse...

That's wild talk!

D'Antoni brought the young fella' along methodically.

Check out the Berman article.

To say that we had better vision than the guy who works with these players every day, that's just wild. It's in the wilderness; there are trees falling all around you right now, moss is growing on rocks.

Jerome Jordan is a clear upgrade at Center than JJ, especially when Amare and JJ are together vs legit big men.
Balkman is also an upgrade at times over JJ, with his physical abilities, playing the PF and SF over JJ and Walker at times.
Yes, I know he isn't a shooting threat but he isn't worst than JJ, and I am not saying he should play every night.
But he should be getting minutes every now and then instead of JJ, same with Novak over Walker, especially now that Lin has earned his time.
The defense will eventually pack the paint tight, to stop Lin from penetrating, while we will need our players to be able to hit that wide open shot when that happens....

nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!

haha, if I remember correctly, the general opinion was that being a Harvard graduate, he only needed 2 hours to learn the system. I think most 'educated' Knicks fans missed the MDA sarcasm in his quote back then....you all are suckers

RonRon wrote:i wright pages after pages, thread after threat, on what Lin could do and why we need to give him a shot, only to get rejected by many, including you....
apparently, many people think they know bball here more than me and the few others that actually recognized what we needed and what are players are capable and not capable off...
many people don't know bball here, but eventually grew sick of watching TD and Bibby fail, not sure if they had faith in Lin but were willing to give a shot instead of watching
TD and Bibby before Dantoni. Dantoni is stubborn and fails to recognize his flaws, which really could have hurt the confidence and development of Lin and our current "3rd string"
players. He isn't the only one that should be getting PT, while I think he is far greater than anyone else.

Jerome Jordan is a clear upgrade at Center than JJ, especially when Amare and JJ are together vs legit big men.
Balkman is also an upgrade at times over JJ, with his physical abilities, playing the PF and SF over JJ and Walker at times.
Yes, I know he isn't a shooting threat but he isn't worst than JJ, and I am not saying he should play every night.
But he should be getting minutes every now and then instead of JJ, same with Novak over Walker, especially now that Lin has earned his time.
The defense will eventually pack the paint tight, to stop Lin from penetrating, while we will need our players to be able to hit that wide open shot when that happens....

bro alot of your posts are incoherent nonsense drivel that don't make **** for sense. move on.

RonRon wrote:i wright pages after pages, thread after threat, on what Lin could do and why we need to give him a shot, only to get rejected by many, including you.....

C'mon RonRon, you DON'T "wright" you "write"

Cut the chest thumping and please make ONE point at a time. You cite Balkman as an upgrade over Jeffries and then reverse spin with "I am not saying he should play every night." What are you saying?

mrKnickShot wrote:The Answer Man is Rong again

Who hooked Wilson Chandler as The Mayor, and ran his campaign?

Who tried to warn you and led the thread, "Waiting on Baron Davis is NOT a solution"?

Who asked, "what's a brotha (Lin) gotta do to get 15 quality minutes?"

Who called Giants 24 Patriots 17?

Stay in school. Answer Man ain't no fool.

Some other coach may prefer throwing guys in the deep end of the pool. In fact MDA has done that in the past where we get a players and he just puts them in there, but he's clearly changed his mind on that based on results. Moz wasn't fully ready. He was very slow with Shawne, but when he did put him in, he was fully ready. It's not a science. It's a feel a coach has. Jordan will play more when MDA feels he's ready to have him in the mix. He felt good about Shump and Jorts. There were many of us that said Jorts would have trouble making the roster!!!

nixluva wrote:MDA is doing the right thing. He's managing his players how he sees fit. It's a very tricky thing dealing with real people rather than fantasy league crap. You have to at some point concede that maybe a man that has been a head coach for 20 years has some idea about what he's doing. We may not always understand what goes into his decisions, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's often not a question of wrong or right, just preference.

Some other coach may prefer throwing guys in the deep end of the pool. In fact MDA has done that in the past where we get a players and he just puts them in there, but he's clearly changed his mind on that based on results. Moz wasn't fully ready. He was very slow with Shawne, but when he did put him in, he was fully ready. It's not a science. It's a feel a coach has. Jordan will play more when MDA feels he's ready to have him in the mix. He felt good about Shump and Jorts. There were many of us that said Jorts would have trouble making the roster!!!

This is just a random out-of-office auto-response. I saw about 80 duplicates - word for word from you in other threads