martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:The only thing I said was the Knicks were not in an upward trajectory pre Melodramatic trade. That's true whether you like MDA or not. Your statement is false. End of story. n

loweyecue wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Not my fault you posted things that didn't correspond to reality. Pre trade they were not headed upward as you said. I do hate him but I always try to stay accurate.

loweyecue wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Wow. What a load of horse$hit. The team was not driving toward sucess pre trade. We were almost 10 game sover 0.500 then worked our way to 2 games over 0.500. I get you like him but how about putting things that are true rather than false in his defense?

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I don't think management did him any favors in acquiring Anthony and amnestying Billups. In fact it appears there was a disregard for what he needs to be successful. However, I also think that the Berger article that quoted Warkenstein is right when he says D'Antoni is a roster specific coach. I don't think he is the problem this year and I don't think he was put in the position where he can succeed. That being said I do think he had done enough in the past to warrant termination. This year is different. He is not part of the problem but I also don't think he is capable of solving it.

So when was he put in a position to succeed during his tenure as a Knick's coach?

I think pre-trade last year he had the team closest to what he needs to run his style. I think we differ in opinion about how much success he is actually capable of achieving without a totally stacked roster and an mvp running the point.

Right pre-trade last year he had a team that he was driving towards success. He had put the hard work in, taken the early losses worked his way back to .500 and WHAM. He was once again put in a position to fail. will get fired this year, its a sad reflection of just how sick our franchise is.

Does he get credit for getting a team with huge holes in defense to 10 games above 500? Of course not. Then all the key players are involved in trade talks their performance takes a hit and you zero in in that one losing streak and you decide in your infinite wisdom the team was not being driven towards success? You should talk about horse$hit. I get it you hate him but if take your head out of your ass long enough maybe you will be able to see what people are talking about.

Yeah, guess you live in your reality and I in mine. Hatred doesn't usually lend itself to accuracy. Your eyes only interpret what they see based on what your mind has already told them to expect. If you want to be fair try to keep an open mind instead of trying to be accurate. Anyone can spin data anyway they want, it's preconceived notions about how things should be that lead to poor decision making.

And no I don't like MDA as the coach here. Never did. But I do believe he deserves a fair chance he has never had one while he was here. We must agree to disagree. I also don't want us to blindly keep changing coaches because continuity is more important than abrupt change.

that's your opinion. I thought they were getting better as the year went on.

skeng wrote:Ah, The knick fix. I don't get the fire MDA logic that some of you guys are endlessly raving about. And replace him with??

Look at MIA last year. They sure as hell didn't look good early on - including a full training camp and preseason. And their big 3 doesnt consist of 3 guys that can't pass, dribble or shoot. Oh, and defend I suppose - with TC being the exception.

I support comradery and not firing the guy who's stuck with a ****ty management through some grim phuckin times, only to be canned after 1/4 of the messy season that is the 2011-12 season.

We need for guys to develop chemistry on and off the court. Not look over their shoulders, fearing the next roster mix up. But that's not business right?

CrushAlot wrote:

skeng wrote:Ah, The knick fix. I don't get the fire MDA logic that some of you guys are endlessly raving about. And replace him with??

Look at MIA last year. They sure as hell didn't look good early on - including a full training camp and preseason. And their big 3 doesnt consist of 3 guys that can't pass, dribble or shoot. Oh, and defend I suppose - with TC being the exception.

I support comradery and not firing the guy who's stuck with a ****ty management through some grim phuckin times, only to be canned after 1/4 of the messy season that is the 2011-12 season.

We need for guys to develop chemistry on and off the court. Not look over their shoulders, fearing the next roster mix up. But that's not business right?

I don't get the comparison to Miami. They struggled to 9-8 and then won 21 of 22. I think it will be a struggle for this team to get to a game above .500.

The Remix

Skeng - if, and it is a HUGE IF, our beloved Knicks go 10-5 in February, we are STILL a game under .500

The sprint season (after 20 games) is nearly a third over.

Grunwald has lots of work to do, cuz this version of the team isn't working. I'm pretty sure he realizes that now. My guess is that there are a lot of GM's around the league looking for anything to help them out. There will be deals that can be made and Grunwald has to be working the phones.

On your Carmelo trade thing. The Dolan's don't go through the all hype and trouble to admit they made a mistake by trading Anthony less than a year later. They simply don't. Not after raising ticket prices. That is bad business and would spark a consumer revolt for cash rebates across the board.

Tyson Chandler is a limited player. He will get double figure rebounds, which is great, but he is the most athletic player in the history of the NBA to NOT own a single low post move. Still, he camps near the lane. He can dunk, that's about it.

Amar'e Stoudemire, off the dribble, is a turnover machine. He will get double figures in scoring, but needs a caddie to put the ball on the tee. He can dunk, and sometimes make an outside shot. With Tyson Chandler camped near the lane, his specialty has become the offensive foul.

What quality player, who compensates for the deficiencies listed above, is taking "a huge pay cut" just to play in New York? C'mon Son!

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni isn't the main problem but he isn't part of the solution either. So bye bye D'Antoni.

How do you know he's not part of the solution when he doesn't have a PG to QB his offense? You could stick any of the top 15 PG's on this team right now and IMMEDIATELY the team would be better. It's not rocket science. Scoring wasn't this teams problem last year. We just need defense. So now that we have a better defense, now we don't have PG to run the offense. MDA's not the problem.

skeng wrote:

misterearl wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

skeng wrote:Ah, The knick fix. I don't get the fire MDA logic that some of you guys are endlessly raving about. And replace him with??

Look at MIA last year. They sure as hell didn't look good early on - including a full training camp and preseason. And their big 3 doesnt consist of 3 guys that can't pass, dribble or shoot. Oh, and defend I suppose - with TC being the exception.

I support comradery and not firing the guy who's stuck with a ****ty management through some grim phuckin times, only to be canned after 1/4 of the messy season that is the 2011-12 season.

We need for guys to develop chemistry on and off the court. Not look over their shoulders, fearing the next roster mix up. But that's not business right?

I don't get the comparison to Miami. They struggled to 9-8 and then won 21 of 22. I think it will be a struggle for this team to get to a game above .500.

The Remix

Skeng - if, and it is a HUGE IF, our beloved Knicks go 10-5 in February, we are STILL a game under .500

The sprint season (after 20 games) is nearly a third over.

I am really trying to stay positive, but it's getting harder and harder. I just don't see MDA being the main culprit. So we throw away the season for a top 5 pick. What if we end up outside of the top 5? I just don't know anymore really. And I'm equally torn between going for the 8th seed and getting whooped in the first round versus mailing it in.

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Also, I think it would be dificult for us to suck so badly that we get a top 5 pick. TC, STAT and Melo actually do have pride (although it could be easy to forget), so I can't imagine us not winning randomly every now and then. We're 2,5 games behind Milwaukee. Mil f-u-c-k-i-n waukee.

So if I hear you right, you're saying that we are now in the worst spot possible in basketball. Just good enough to get a possible playoff first or second round knockout but not bad enough to get a championship level pick in this years draft. If only someone had warned us of something like this happening when the Knicks started making trades to clear cap instead of making trades for picks. Oh well, maybe in 8 years we will learn.

I agree, the roster is not changing much in the next few years, so they must find a way. It is the 3rd time MDA has had his roster changed drastically. The first was the trade of Randolph and Crawford, then the Melo deal and then Chandler for Billups, while not involving many players the positions involved are critical.

I think the team needs to learn how to play together and MDA needs to learn what system works for it. I would like to see the PnR used more often with STAT and Melo. ALso, run some plays for Chandler, he is a big man and should be able to do something on the low post. But STAT and MELO should take 50% of the shots every game.

At this point, PG is the biggest problem. If you can honestly say that Chris Duhon would be better than any option you currently have, then there is trouble at the position. IF BD is healthy and can embrace the offense and be a facilitator rather than a scorer then I think it can work.

The talent is there for this group to be great. The question lies with the mind of the players and whether they can accept what maybe a lesser role for team victory. Outside of Chanlder and STAT, I don't know if the others can and I don't know if MDA can sell it to them like JAX has been able to sell it to the players he coached. At the level they play at, the problems are usually much more about chemistry and commitment to team rather than talent. Melo has been a winner, BD has led a team to success, Chandler is a champ and STAT has tasted success too. But they need to find a way to get on the same page, so they can taste it all together.

It will come.

DJMUSIC wrote:D'Antoni isn't the only problem however Coach Mike is one of the primary problems on Knicks &r NY Basketball.
Coach Mike system is old in today's NBA. Coach system was once successful in NBA & Europe. No longer the case.

I just made a thread were teams are openly stating that they've gone to an uptempo spread offense like SSOL. So how is his system passe'? Teams are just now coming around to what he's been preaching.

DJMUSIC wrote:D'Antoni systems has not adjusted much regardless of roster changes some were his own & some were NYK hierarchy pushed onto Mike regardless if fair or not.

There are plenty of old & new NBA coaches currently getting MORE OUT OF THEIR Nba roster and has same issues all coaches has. Without the perfect roster many NBA coaches have their own teams BETTER prepared to play a basketball game.

There's this myth that Mike has actually had perfect rosters over his career. Tell me which roster was perfect? IMO if he had a perfect roster where he not only had the scorers, but also the defensive Center he lacked in PHX, he would've won a title. This team has a substandard backcourt and I don't know of any team that can win if they don't have effective backcourt play. These guards have to do better. Both PG's and SG's.

DJMUSIC wrote:When Amare states "Guys need to start to read the board, game plan" What kind of garbage is that ?and whom is most responsible ? for Guys not knowing a GAME plan for specific team for a NBA game. Which 1 person is responsible for enforcing game plan?

Remember that game where they had come out of a timeout and just got instruction and TD totally didn't follow that instruction and we didn't get a good shot off. That's the kind of thing that you can't fix as a coach if the players don't listen. Players have to execute what you teach them, but you can't MAKE THEM DO IT! We need our leaders to stay on top of the team to keep them in line. That's the good thing about STAT and Tyson being vocal. Every coach needs a surrogate in the locker room. It seems that STAT and Tyson are the ones trying to lead the team as much as they can. It would be GREAT if we had a PG that was a floor leader too.

Still overall I support the coach cuz he's a VERY good NBA coach. We've never seen him at his best cuz we keep changing the team on him. IF you can't understand how that can effect a coach then I don't know what to tell you. It's a very logical thing to understand that a lack of roster continuity is bad for a coach.

I want you to go and look up all the players this coach has had since he came here. It's a staggering number of players. Coaches don't like that. Not to mention the lack of a PG. He'll eventually figure out something this team can do to improve this year.