ramtour420 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Shumpert should be coming off the bench as a backup to Fields and thats where his energy and tenaciousness will show itself.

Agree. Save his knees.

mrKnickShot wrote:Lin? ... to this point is a confured up super hero by desperate NY fans that are starving.

Super hero? Not stated or implied by anyone. The idea is to allow him 15 meaningful minutes normally donated to Toney Douglas.

mrKnickShot wrote:Baron Davis?

Valentines Day. Definitely. Maybe.

What has Lin shown to warrant such coverage on UK? I garuntee if you created a thread titled "Jeremy Lin" and said anything you will have an exorbitant number of hits. And, I don't believe that this is due to the Asian voting block ala Yao-all star votes.

I do however get quite upset with MDA when he refuses to give a chance to a player especially when there is obviously no better/viable option. Corey Brewer, Derrick Brown ...

It was funny when J-Jesus Lin came into the Laker game in garbage time and looked dreadful, the "Free Jeremy Lin" threads died down a bit. That was until he got an assist in the next episode of garbage time and the threads were back.

Play him PLEASE! lets see what he can/can't do - then we can decide if he is who they think he is.

" What has Lin shown"- potential to fill a role that's not only much needed and missing, but a role that is likely the most important for our coach/system, and could very well be the main reason why the team has regressed.

Well I guess anyone who has yet to play has "potential" so I agree lets play him. But let's not crown him just yet.

mrKnickShot wrote:Well I guess anyone who has yet to play has "potential" so I agree lets play him. But let's not crown him just yet.

Go crazy people.

MrKnickShot - so far, the only references to bestowing a "crown" or "super hero status" for Lin are all yours. Fans are SUPPOSED to get excited about potential. Especially, when the alternatives are blind (Douglas), crippled (Shumpert) or crazy (Walker).

What's a brotha gotta do to get 15 minutes of quality time around here?

nixluva wrote:I prefer they take their time with Lin and allow him to develop at his own pace. There's no reason to rush it with him. He's got a lot to learn and just cuz he's killing the bench players he's facing doesn't mean he's fully ready for a go at the better players in the league. He's barely had any practices with the starters so I think we need to be patient and let the staff dictate when they think he's ready.

+1 As long as Knicks management has made up its mind that they are keeping Lin and have him in their future plans, no need to rush and throw him in there, which can cause a loss of confidence. But if they are not sure, play the kid and let him show whether he has the game and potential. Still, I think Lin has taken his lumps (from having seen his bad stints last year) that he is resilient enough to be tossed in there and not lose his confidence even if things don't go smoothly. This is how lots of young PGs learn these days, as with player turnover from year to year, there is way less mentoring than before.

misterearl wrote:

nixluva wrote:I prefer they take their time with Lin and allow him to develop at his own pace. There's no reason to rush it with him. He's got a lot to learn and just cuz he's killing the bench players he's facing doesn't mean he's fully ready for a go at the better players in the league. He's barely had any practices with the starters so I think we need to be patient and let the staff dictate when they think he's ready.

What's a brotha gotta do to get 15 quality minutes around here?

nixluva - you keep talking patience but you never define what patience is in anything other than vague terms. "His own pace"? What da hell does that mean?

A yoot either has the capacity to learn via his mistakes, or he does not. If Lin shows a hint of potential to adjust on the fly, he plays. If he does not, he sits. It ain't that deep. Among our other guard contestants, Lin has flashed an ability to maintain his dribble, get to the rack and make the pass. We dig that about him.

It is a strange season. No player has had the benefit of practice or pre season time. Which is EXACTLY why intelligent players, who can think quickly, and adapt, are valuable. Our Knicks are DESPERATE for respectable guard play and Baron Davis ain't walking through that door. If D'Antoni had the luxury of experience at guard, he would not be forced to start Shump at the point.

nix, you make a reference to playing Lin, "When he's ready"?

D'Antoni: "Lin, you ready?"

Lin: "You damn skippy"

The last guy i'm gonna question when it comes to PG's is D'Antoni. He's got to be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to working with his guards. If they've got any ability, they eventually show it with improved play all the way around. Your style would be to throw the kid in there and see what happens, but I don't thin MDA really works that way. It took a solid month or more for Duhon, Felton and CB to get a level of comfort with this offense.

Lin hasn't had any of the usual time to get comfortable with the system. Right now he's very aggressive, but does he know how and when to pull back and change pace? Does he understand the nuances of the sets? Does he have any timing with STAT in the PnR? I don't think he does. There haven't been that many practices for them to have worked on all of that.

I don't know exactly how MDA feels about Lin. From what we've seen I would guess that he probably likes the kid, but how much has Lin really absorbed so far with so few actual practices? Maybe he's a game away from getting a more substantial role in the rotation. Who knows. I'm just being patient to see how he develops.

nixluva wrote:

misterearl wrote:

nixluva wrote:I prefer they take their time with Lin and allow him to develop at his own pace. There's no reason to rush it with him. He's got a lot to learn and just cuz he's killing the bench players he's facing doesn't mean he's fully ready for a go at the better players in the league. He's barely had any practices with the starters so I think we need to be patient and let the staff dictate when they think he's ready.

What's a brotha gotta do to get 15 quality minutes around here?

nixluva - you keep talking patience but you never define what patience is in anything other than vague terms. "His own pace"? What da hell does that mean?

A yoot either has the capacity to learn via his mistakes, or he does not. If Lin shows a hint of potential to adjust on the fly, he plays. If he does not, he sits. It ain't that deep. Among our other guard contestants, Lin has flashed an ability to maintain his dribble, get to the rack and make the pass. We dig that about him.

It is a strange season. No player has had the benefit of practice or pre season time. Which is EXACTLY why intelligent players, who can think quickly, and adapt, are valuable. Our Knicks are DESPERATE for respectable guard play and Baron Davis ain't walking through that door. If D'Antoni had the luxury of experience at guard, he would not be forced to start Shump at the point.

nix, you make a reference to playing Lin, "When he's ready"?

D'Antoni: "Lin, you ready?"

Lin: "You damn skippy"

The last guy i'm gonna question when it comes to PG's is D'Antoni. He's got to be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to working with his guards. If they've got any ability, they eventually show it with improved play all the way around. Your style would be to throw the kid in there and see what happens, but I don't thin MDA really works that way. It took a solid month or more for Duhon, Felton and CB to get a level of comfort with this offense.

Lin hasn't had any of the usual time to get comfortable with the system. Right now he's very aggressive, but does he know how and when to pull back and change pace? Does he understand the nuances of the sets? Does he have any timing with STAT in the PnR? I don't think he does. There haven't been that many practices for them to have worked on all of that.

I don't know exactly how MDA feels about Lin. From what we've seen I would guess that he probably likes the kid, but how much has Lin really absorbed so far with so few actual practices? Maybe he's a game away from getting a more substantial role in the rotation. Who knows. I'm just being patient to see how he develops.

Yes - TD really learned the system and is finally comfortable. Who are we to question MDA when it comes to PG's? I am sure that Lin-Genius knows/knew the "sets" 100 times better than TD after 1 game watching from the bench.

The only thing Toney Douglas knows about a 3.1 is probably that it would be a bad score on a breathalyzer test.

To say Lin would understand things better and faster than Toney Douglas is most likely a very safe bet.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Let's not get carried away. Economics isn't quite engineering.

Economy has everything to do with what ails the Knicks. There IS a problem when:

- we turn the ball over (17 times per game) nearly as much as we assist (avg 19 per) on a basket

- our leading shot taker, by far, (354 to Amare's 289) is a maker at only a 40 per cent rate

- our worst three point shooter (Douglas at a dismal 25 pct) attempts MORE three's than anyone else

jrodmc wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Lin graduated from Harvard with a 3.1. Most of the posters on here aren't qualified to work parking at Harvard, this one included.

The only thing Toney Douglas knows about a 3.1 is probably that it would be a bad score on a breathalyzer test.

To say Lin would understand things better and faster than Toney Douglas is most likely a very safe bet.

Let's not get carried away. Economics isn't quite engineering.

Let's get carried away. Fla State isn't even in the same solar system as Harvard.
We're comparing intellects, and the ability to absorb and understand.

Precisely. If JLin can walk off the street - with no orientation period - and drop 4 assists in 6 minutes, imagine what he can do once he unpacks and gets settled in Andy Rautins old condo down the hall from Landry Fields.

"Time for the Lin and Landry Show Bishes!"

gunsnewing wrote:Alan Hahn: Knicksnow.com
I used to believe he would be back by late January but I underestimated the factor that he hasn't played full-court basketball in 10 months. So he needs his own training camp to get ready. So now I'm aiming for the all-star break, as a very conservative window. It could be sooner. But people have to understand that if he came back and wasn't at full strength and then played poorly, it would only produce more negativity. He knows how important he can be to this team and therefore it's important he is 100 percent ready to go when he hits the court.

STAT, Melo, TD and Fields also needed more time to get their act together too. It's just one of those years. I don't think the playoffs are out of reach as long as they can stay close and have a strong finish. They've got to win some games tho. All those easy games they squandered come back to haunt you.

IF they get Baron healthy and a guy like JR this team can be lethal.

"The Knicks big men need to be better rebounders"

"They also need quicker interior passing towards the hoop"

"It is not enough to score, the leaders need to do the dirty work..."

and the Answer Man's personal favorite:

"Talent is one thing, building a TEAM is another thing ENTIRELY.... I'm not sure if the Amar'e/ Carmelo combination can work on BOTH ends of the court, you need players who can cover up for each others deficiencies..."

The last point is his best. It is a low down crying shame that Jeffries is a such limited player. A player with his 6'11 frame could make a perfect compliment, on offense, if his game were polished more than a ninth grader. As it stands, when he JJ is inserted the Knicks are running 4 on 5, which is NO way to run on offense.

Defensively, the Knicks miss Harrellsons rebounding and penchant for the inside dirty work.

The good news is the passing shows signs of improvement.

The bad news is the tangible results (w/l record) of that improvement may be too late for this season.

Allanfan20 wrote:The funny thing is JVG insisted that the Knicks should trade the farm for Melo. I was totally shocked by that.

Wrong. Dolan insisted that.

Not so funny.