nyk4ever wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is how do you determine that a guy is better than everyone else when he's played a grand total of what25 minutes. All in garbage time of blowouts in which no one on the court really cared about the outcome. How do you translate those 4 minutes a night to actual in game situations? I guess this is what I'm missing.

The other thing I'm confused about is that if he is clearly better then the other two, why would the coach on the verge of being fired sit him on the bench? He'd rather get fired then play the Asian kid?????

None of any of this makes any sense. Let the guy play 20 minutes a night and produce for a few weeks before we annoint him anything.

made a similar post earlier in this thread.. couldn't agree more bip.

d'antoni knows full well that depending on how this team does this year, his job is on the line so ANYONE implying that he wouldn't be playing lin for any reason other than the fact that he can't play is seriously reaching. it really makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

True in theory, but in reality it is like corporate politics. Some "failures" are considered more forgivable than others. In other words, if MDA plays a "proven" veteran and loses, it's not like he really made that bad a move. If MDA plays a new kid and loses, the loss often goes more on the coach. It is kind of like hiring someone with experience if you are a boss at a job. That's why whenever you see a coach worried about the job he almost always plays the veteran. Keith Smart did the same last year at GS, which is in part why Lin got no PT.

nyk4ever wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:although come to think about it, people here complained the same way about jordan hill and randolph. the rockets just declined hill's option and anthony randolph is playing 12mpg.

same ****, different toilet.

And what about Darko??

how could i forget about darko and his 6pts/4rebs/1blk a game.

to be fair, he'd be a solid bench contributor for us right now but the darko situation has been argued adnauseum. darko himself admitted he didn't come to camp in shape at all, also he admitted he dogged it here.

he actually was one of the top 10-15 in blocked shots. He was instantly inserted in the rotation after 10 games, and became a starter soon after.
However, he was never given a shot to contribute for 3+ months he was a Knick.
When given the opportunity to play, he has shown he could do it in the past in Orlando and in the future in the Wolves.
Instead we have David Lee and Jeffries anchoring our defense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/career;_ylt=AtTSvciYyQwmy_bftIaYaBPKPKB4

upstate wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is how do you determine that a guy is better than everyone else when he's played a grand total of what25 minutes. All in garbage time of blowouts in which no one on the court really cared about the outcome. How do you translate those 4 minutes a night to actual in game situations? I guess this is what I'm missing.

The other thing I'm confused about is that if he is clearly better then the other two, why would the coach on the verge of being fired sit him on the bench? He'd rather get fired then play the Asian kid?????

None of any of this makes any sense. Let the guy play 20 minutes a night and produce for a few weeks before we annoint him anything.

made a similar post earlier in this thread.. couldn't agree more bip.

d'antoni knows full well that depending on how this team does this year, his job is on the line so ANYONE implying that he wouldn't be playing lin for any reason other than the fact that he can't play is seriously reaching. it really makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

True in theory, but in reality it is like corporate politics. Some "failures" are considered more forgivable than others. In other words, if MDA plays a "proven" veteran and loses, it's not like he really made that bad a move. If MDA plays a new kid and loses, the loss often goes more on the coach. It is kind of like hiring someone with experience if you are a boss at a job. That's why whenever you see a coach worried about the job he almost always plays the veteran. Keith Smart did the same last year at GS, which is in part why Lin got no PT.

so why has d'antoni played harrelson so many minutes from the get-go?

RonRon wrote:He also said he was never given a fair shot in the rotation, no matter what he did in practice.
So you are telling me he got in game shape, in 10 games after he was traded to the TWolves....

who knows, all i know is the situation that he was in here.. kahn is the one that traded for him, he could have told the coach to play him no matter what.

nyk4ever wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

RonRon wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:although come to think about it, people here complained the same way about jordan hill and randolph. the rockets just declined hill's option and anthony randolph is playing 12mpg.

same ****, different toilet.

And what about Darko??

how could i forget about darko and his 6pts/4rebs/1blk a game.

to be fair, he'd be a solid bench contributor for us right now but the darko situation has been argued adnauseum. darko himself admitted he didn't come to camp in shape at all, also he admitted he dogged it here.

he actually was one of the top 10-15 in blocked shots. He was instantly inserted in the rotation after 10 games, and became a starter soon after.
However, he was never given a shot to contribute for 3+ months he was a Knick.
When given the opportunity to play, he has shown he could do it in the past in Orlando and in the future in the Wolves.
Instead we have David Lee and Jeffries anchoring our defense.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/career;_ylt=AtTSvciYyQwmy_bftIaYaBPKPKB4

so basically you just skipped over the whole part about him not coming to the knicks in shape and that he admitted that he dogged it while here. cool.

He also said he was never given a fair shot in the rotation, no matter what he did in practice.
So you are telling me he got in game shape, in 10 games after he was traded to the TWolves....
It is your job as the Head Coach, to let them know what they must do to contribute to the team, to utilize the players and getting the most out of their production!

If he was our best defender/shot blocker, which he was, aside from Wilson Chandler which is a SF capable of playing limited minutes at PF.

Nalod wrote:When slipping: Break glass and blame JJ.

When that does not work: Use Darko!

When anyone thinks they got it figured out: Use "Fire MDA"!

Backup reason: "Can't get worse, right?"

Reality: It very well can.

It can also very well get better. The thing is, jjordan,AR, Darko were not our only options at their positions, far from it. Lin is our only pure PG option. We are a team that lacks PG play in the worst way. Pretty sure attitude was a major factor why they got no playing time(maybe not Hill). It's highly doubtful that Lin has an attitude problem.

nyk4ever wrote:

upstate wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is how do you determine that a guy is better than everyone else when he's played a grand total of what25 minutes. All in garbage time of blowouts in which no one on the court really cared about the outcome. How do you translate those 4 minutes a night to actual in game situations? I guess this is what I'm missing.

The other thing I'm confused about is that if he is clearly better then the other two, why would the coach on the verge of being fired sit him on the bench? He'd rather get fired then play the Asian kid?????

None of any of this makes any sense. Let the guy play 20 minutes a night and produce for a few weeks before we annoint him anything.

made a similar post earlier in this thread.. couldn't agree more bip.

d'antoni knows full well that depending on how this team does this year, his job is on the line so ANYONE implying that he wouldn't be playing lin for any reason other than the fact that he can't play is seriously reaching. it really makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

True in theory, but in reality it is like corporate politics. Some "failures" are considered more forgivable than others. In other words, if MDA plays a "proven" veteran and loses, it's not like he really made that bad a move. If MDA plays a new kid and loses, the loss often goes more on the coach. It is kind of like hiring someone with experience if you are a boss at a job. That's why whenever you see a coach worried about the job he almost always plays the veteran. Keith Smart did the same last year at GS, which is in part why Lin got no PT.

so why has d'antoni played harrelson so many minutes from the get-go?

There was no veteran to play instead of Harrelson at that point. If Jeffries were healthy, Harrelson would not have gotten so many minutes. But because Harrelson got to play and produced decent numbers, now MDA won't look bad if he plays Harrelson a bit now (if he weren't injured) and loses. So some of it is luck. If Bibby had been injured an extra week, Lin would've gotten minutes and would've gotten to prove himself. That's why I think Bibby rushed back and played like **** his first few games when he was totally out of shape and couldn't even get his shot over the front rim. Now he is in shape, but we can see that even at his peak, he is far past his prime.

nyk4ever wrote:

RonRon wrote:
He also said he was never given a fair shot in the rotation, no matter what he did in practice.
So you are telling me he got in game shape, in 10 games after he was traded to the TWolves....
It is your job as the Head Coach, to let them know what they must do to contribute to the team, to utilize the players and getting the most out of their production!

If he was our best defender/shot blocker, which he was, aside from Wilson Chandler which is a SF capable of playing limited minutes at PF.

so you're just assuming dantoni didn't talk to darko? i mean all of your ideas are based on assumption.

so going by your logic. d'antoni didn't like darko and although winning is always the top priority, he chose to not play darko because he didn't like him, no matter what he could have brought to the team. so now the same goes for lin, right? dantoni doesn't like lin, so he's not playing him, even though there is a gigantic hole at the pg spot. coaches want to win and that's it. do you think d'antoni really wants to get fired that badly that he's choosing not to play JEREMY LIN? there's much better ways to do it. i guess both the warriors and the rockets are idiots too because they both let lin go. there's a reason this is his third team in 3 months.

Warriors let Lin go as one of the only unguaranteed contracts in order to make an offer to DeAndre Jordan, which the Clippers matched. GS told Lin they would take him back immediately if unclaimed and gambled that he was off the radar enough to slip through waivers. GS was wrong, as Houston picked him up. Lin beat out all of the unguaranteed contracts and made Houston's opening day roster. Just as the season was about to start, Houston got into negotiations with Dalembert, and the only unguaranteed contract on the roster was Lin, so he was let go to make room for Dalembert. Many Houston fans were irate.

"If someone wakes up with a cold, he's playing a lot. If not, then we'll see," said D'Antoni, who quipped that Lin "might be the smartest guy we have."

it's obvious that dantoni had an openmind when lin was signed since he said he would play him. he must not have shown anything in practice.

I keep saying I wrote a blog....I don't want to be a sucka mc and keep posting it but I made some good points in it explaining my thoughts. I'll post it again here:

First off I want to say he is an American. Brother was born and raised here in California. Not for nothing guys, California is the land of the point guards. Its where ttyhe best point guards are coming from in todays game. New York is no longer producing all world point guards anymore. I think that all died with Sebastian Telflair. What has he done lately? With that said, Jeremy Lin is in this generations group of California dishers and swishers. Their recent legacy? Try Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Deron Williams, Brandon Jennings and our very own Baron Davis. They can ball out there and these are just some of the eguys sthat made it to the NBA. There are countless street legends out there that will forever be on californicationers (©, lol) minds the same way guys like Booger Smith was for Brooklyn when I was coming up. Im from Brooklyn so I saw them all. I know for a fact Jamal Tinsley can ball because he personally bust my tail in a pick up game near Tilden High School. Somewhere out there a guy is saying the same about Lin and wondering why this baller isn't cracking the Knicks rotation. I mean the Knicks need a point guard and at the same time had ttghe audacity to ship Lin off to the d-league. All he did was drop a triple double in his FIRST GAME! It was legit too...28/12/11.

Check his college career...he played for Harvard. That's a joke for anyone who wants to play that ignorant card. Fact of the matter is he dominated the conference and lead Harvard to its best season ever before he went pro. Google that. His NBA career? The NBA slept on him too. He goes out and dominates the summer league. Chris Webber can be heard screaming in the background as Jeremy Lin took it to John Wall. He didn't have just a few nice plays, he came out of that game on par with Wall in every facet of the game. Don't believe me? YouTube it! So why did I he fall into the Knicks hands? Golden State has money and expectations tied up in Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry. The kid with the non guaranteed contract is the one that has to go.

So why...WHY isn't this guy getting burn on the Knicks? I mean they need a point guard and he gets shipped to the d-league. There has to be a reason why they signed him. Was it a publicity thing? I'd like to believe D'antoni and the Knicks are better than that. Lets say they believe in this guy the way I do. Did they think they could just stash Lin in the d-league for the future? Lin clearly stated in his first game the future is now. Do ttyhey want to keep his value down so ttyhey don't have to pay him next year? Aside from those questions...think about it. Do you really believe Jeremy Lin wasn't dominating the likes of Mike Bibby and Toney Douglas everyday in practice? He had to be killing them. Are they trying to hide him, hoping they can keep him from shining? Chinese new year was the other day. Its the year of the Dragon. If that isn't ironic I don't know what is. I'm cheering for this kid to succeed in New York. I want him to stay with the Knicks. Not because we have the cool Asian guy that can ball. I want this kid to succeed because he can and deserves to show that to the NBA audience. The Knicks deserve to have a young talented point guard like this. I don't want him to lose his confidence messing around with NBA politics. This dude needs his shot. Go Knicks!!!

In golden State....the fact is he played behind 2 point guards...Monta Ellis who is their franchise player that they can't even giving away. He makes millions...Lin made thousands....Stephen Curry is supposed to be their Steve Nash for the future. They aren't going to bench Curry for Lin. Ellis and Curry are playing very well....why bench them for a rookie with non guarenteed salary?

The Knicks I can't explain....I mean the proof that eh can play point guard very well is dropping that triple double in the d-league like he was supposed to that. 28/12/11....how is this dude not playing. If he can do that then he is definately doing that in practice especially with Bibby and Douglas guarding him. Why would he learn how to play all of a sudden just for the d-league and forget in practice.

The game against Charlotte, I saw a dude that was trying to impress in the minutes he had. He was super agressive on defense and he was taking his man off he dribble easy. He crossed the **** out of one dude only for something to happen off the ball to tun it over. You can't tell me this kid isnt doing that in practice. he had a full game stat sheet in like 5 minutes.

this is the truth. Why he isn't playing is a tragedy....he deserves a shot cuz the Knicks are desperate. Baron is coming but he still can't come in and play 40 mins...he needs a viable back up...its not Toney Douglas. I don't give a **** what Chancey Billups says. Shump is a baller but he needs to be a scorer not a set up man. Lin is born and raised a point guard. he needs chance